An Admission

[131313]

While I hate to even bring this up, but has this knucklehead actually given back that crit jersey he stole?

I'm no fan of the guy who came in second, but I certainly believe he's clean so he deserves it.

 

[suzanne sonye]

131313,

I am happy you found it funny and most of it was. However, who gets to decided who takes what personal? it is personal to me. How is it the same if you go by 131313 and people have accused you of worse on this forum? no one knows who 131313 is, it's a number? Again I will say this, my name has been put out there because Kayle stuck a needle in his arm and choose to tell me about it, I did the right thing..and my name gets put out there with "handJob" attached to it? I'm assuming that when you were accused of worse on this forum you used your real name and not 131313, otherwise I don't even get your reference.

This thread started about Kayle and I think what most people agree about on this thread is that his apology is just words and not good ones at that. Yes he should give back that jersey and all the money he took from the riders.

 

[131313]

131313,

I am happy you found it funny and most of it was. However, who gets to decided who takes what personal? it is personal to me. How is it the same if you go by 131313 and people have accused you of worse on this forum?

Just because I don't go by name, doesn't mean I can't be mentioned by name! I was accused of doping, on this very forum, by name. Which is both ironic, and sad, since I'd probably have some real results if I were doping. A guy has a lucky ride and is immediately called out in the clinic. Funny thing is, the posts got deleted (I think), and if so I had nothing to do with it. And yes, I took it personally. Hence my suggestion to not do so. Life's too short.

I may have been accused of giving hand jobs as well, but not on this forum...

 

[gobuck]

Thank you Suzanne,
Keep on posting. Guys will always act like 14 year olds because that is when we stop maturing. Our bodies age but our minds' don't.
Keep your head held high, and keep fighting the good fight!

 

[Alpe d'Huez]

I hope I wasn't the one calling you a doper by name, 131313! Yikes!

Kayle should do more than just say he's sorry. He should be specific, and apologize in person and public. And he should give the jersey back. I think it's good that he took one step and did this video. But he needs to keep walking, there's a long path yet to go.

"The hottest spots in hell are reserved for those who in a period of moral crisis maintain their neutrality."

- Dante Alighieri

 

[Hugh Januss]

I hope I wasn't the one calling you a doper by name, 131313! Yikes!

Kayle should do more than just say he's sorry. He should be specific, and apologize in person and public. And he should give the jersey back. I think it's good that he took one step and did this video. But he needs to keep walking, there's a long path yet to go.

"The hottest spots in hell are reserved for those who in a period of moral crisis maintain their neutrality."

- Dante Alighieri

Ahh, he only made the video to promote his new team anyway.

 

[socalvelo]

I'm new to the forum but familar with the local racing in socal. Although I have not raced for a few years, I was shocked to find names of sponsors and riders that I am familar with on this team!
I can't believe anyone would associate themselves with Kayle Leo Grande after his conduct towards cycling and suzanne sonye (who I don't know personally but remember her from some Rose Bowl training rides.)

I am curious if Suzanne recieved the support she deserved within the socal racing community?
At the same time I am shocked that this drug abuser is being supported right here in our backyard.

With how difficult this experience must have been [added: FOR SUZANNE], I also can't believe people here would make such crass remarks. I guess that computer screen gives you some courage?

 

[JMBeaushrimp]

With how difficult this experience must have been, I also can't believe people here would make such crass remarks. I guess that computer screen gives you some courage?

Probably not as much courage as it took for KL to rip his sponsors off (and to beat clean riders out of their win money), to say nothing of the courage needed to illegally disparge someone like Suzanne Sonye. She is someone who should not be disparaged.

About the shnitz? Suck it up, Buttercup. You've got some pretty tattoos. I'm sure they'll serve you well...

Life's hard, get a helmet.

 

[socalvelo]

Probably not as much courage as it took for KL to rip his sponsors off (and to beat clean riders out of their win money), to say nothing of the courage needed to illegally disparge someone like Suzanne Sonye. She is someone who should not be disparaged.

About the shnitz? Suck it up, Buttercup. You've got some pretty tattoos. I'm sure they'll serve you well...

Life's hard, get a helmet.

Did you think I was saying Kayle Leogrande went through a difficult time?
Did you really get that from what I wrote?

I was referring to Suzanne. I can't believe people would write crap about her.

I can't believe anyone would associate themselves with Kayle, which is why I'm so surprised.

 

[JMBeaushrimp]

Did you think I was saying Kayle Leogrande went through a difficult time?
Did you really get that from what I wrote?

I was referring to Suzanne. I can't believe people would write crap about her.

I can't believe anyone would associate themselves with Kayle, which is why I'm so surprised.

What I wrote was geared toward Suzanne (albeit in a forum).

If she got the message, I'm happy.

Sorry if I stepped on your toes. Nothing about you, buddy. Just dealing with the vehicle I'm given.

 

[Anonymous]

A couple of things;

Returning dopers are seeing dramatic differences in treatment from professional cycling's power brokers.

Why the differences? Landis and Leogrande (and many others) are outcasts while others are welcomed back with open arms. Why??

Leogrande offers a mea culpa. Why is that not good enough? He's done his time... right?

He will not be welcomed back and will never be significant in cycling again (not that he was HUGE before). Same as Landis. Yet both of these guys have had a hand in (possibly) bringing down Lance.

Strange, eh?

 

[frenchfry]

A couple of things;

Returning dopers are seeing dramatic differences in treatment from professional cycling's power brokers.

Why the differences? Landis and Leogrande (and many others) are outcasts while others are welcomed back with open arms. Why??

Leogrande offers a mea culpa. Why is that not good enough? He's done his time... right?

He will not be welcomed back and will never be significant in cycling again (not that he was HUGE before). Same as Landis. Yet both of these guys have had a hand in (possibly) bringing down Lance.

Strange, eh?

Does this mean that when Lancey-poo finally heads off to the slammer, Frankie will see his career take off? I for one hope so, it would be some delayed justice since he was canned from United Toyota and in order to work ended up with scum like Ball and Leogrande.

 

[Autobus]

If KL is truely trying to apologize, or at least take ownership to what he did, he may want to change what he says on his website:

In 2006 I raced for Kahala la Grange and won the National Criterium Championships in Chicago. In 2007, I joined Rock Racing and had a very successful year with my best results yet and continued racing strong throughout 2008. I am looking forward to returning to racing after taking 2 years off to spend time with family, manage my tattoo business and re evaluate my goals in the sport of cycling.

 

[131313]

Leogrande offers a mea culpa.

I guess you and define mea culpa a little differently.

Also, I have to put dopers who sue (or threaten to sue) those who call them dopers and then later offer "mea culpa" into a special category of d-bags. This guy fits in that category, along with Riis, Millar, and I'm sure many others.

 

[Anonymous]

I guess you and define mea culpa a little differently.

Also, I have to put dopers who sue (or threaten to sue) those who call them dopers and then later offer "mea culpa" into a special category of d-bags. This guy fits in that category, along with Riis, Millar, and I'm sure many others.

Perhaps, but it was a little stronger than the typical non-denial denial.

Don't get me wrong, I'm not defending him. But I'm curious, why are some welcomed back to cycling after thier suspension and others not?

 

[131313]

Perhaps, but it was a little stronger than the typical non-denial denial.

Don't get me wrong, I'm not defending him. But I'm curious, why are some welcomed back to cycling after thier suspension and others not?

Well, I can only tell you the US domestic reaction since I'm not in Europe. People (riders, local fans) did welcome Flandis with pretty much open arms, even if euro teams didn't. OTOH, no one is going to welcome Capt. D-Bag back with open arms for the simple reason that no one really likes him. It's pretty much that simple.

 

[Hugh Januss]

I guess you and define mea culpa a little differently.

Also, I have to put dopers who sue (or threaten to sue) those who call them dopers and then later offer "mea culpa" into a special category of d-bags. This guy fits in that category, along with Riis, Millar, and I'm sure many others.

Apology doesn't count if you can not bring yourself to admit or even name the act which you are "apologizing" for. IMO, tool!

 

[this_is_edie]

Leogrande will be racing at Callville Bay Classic along with his team in 5 days. Check out who else is on the pre-reg list for his team: Zajicek.

 

[Oldman]

I think I can tell the parts that you added.....they were the ones that made me laugh, although really they were just wrong, on a number of levels.

So wrong it right.

 

[Hugh Januss]

Leogrande will be racing at Callville Bay Classic along with his team in 5 days. Check out who else is on the pre-reg list for his team: Zajicek.

Rock Racing 2.0

 

[Alpe d'Huez]

I think there's a big difference between Floyd and Kayle. By most every indication people liked Floyd. They liked him as a person, and loved watching him race. I can't think of too many people that know Kayle, or watched him race, that are big fans of the guy, or say he's a friendly, likable person. Quite the contrary actually.

Why are some racers allowed back from doping? I'd say mostly due to the omerta. The power of the dopers still reign supreme over those who are clean. Though the numbers may shift, the clean riders still don't have the balls to call out doping enough. It's like that old adage, there will be no change until the pain of staying the same is greater than the change. And my guess is that in this "confession" Kayle is trying to have his cake and eat it too. But while sponsors are supporting him for some baffling reason*, I have this feeling there's not going to be a lot of good will out there.

*I'm perhaps reminded of Festina sales actually going up after the 1998 doping scandal.

 

[blackcat]

The power of the dopers still reign supreme over those who are clean.

yeah, good call, they prolly can cook a mean batch of meth.

 

[Alpe d'Huez]

Hey, you're taking my quote out of context!

Speaking of apologies, I have to wonder how Matt DeCanio feels today about that phone call he recorded, and Kayle's "confession"?

 

[131313]

Leogrande will be racing at Callville Bay Classic along with his team in 5 days. Check out who else is on the pre-reg list for his team: Zajicek.

wow, I think that's even worse than being suspended; riding for an amateur team headed by KL.

 

[BotanyBay]

I think there's a big difference between Floyd and Kayle. By most every indication people liked Floyd. They liked him as a person, and loved watching him race. I can't think of too many people that know Kayle, or watched him race, that are big fans of the guy, or say he's a friendly, likable person. Quite the contrary actually.

Why are some racers allowed back from doping? I'd say mostly due to the omerta. The power of the dopers still reign supreme over those who are clean. Though the numbers may shift, the clean riders still don't have the balls to call out doping enough. It's like that old adage, there will be no change until the pain of staying the same is greater than the change. And my guess is that in this "confession" Kayle is trying to have his cake and eat it too. But while sponsors are supporting him for some baffling reason*, I have this feeling there's not going to be a lot of good will out there.

*I'm perhaps reminded of Festina sales actually going up after the 1998 doping scandal.

Trust me, a 20 year-old kid wrenching in a bike shop is going to have more money in his bank account next week than KL. At the lowest level of the sport, anyone can race if they pay their entry fee. Even Floyd.