Andy Schleck crying again

[flicker]

i've heard that alberto just got banned for 1 year... *** edted by mod ***
anyway for me,there's just one winner of tour de france 2010 and it's not andy.

You are right and Floyd won the 2006 tour also. No way these guys should be sanctioned, outrage!

 

[lostincosmos]

You got me..

I exaggerated. But there is no way you can say that not waiting for AC was the same as not waiting for AS. I am not sure that it was a bad move to attack, I mean it is a race and racing = "No gifts" for me but all that BS afterwards about not knowing what happen to AS is just classless.

unless, of course, he saw it and it looked like a bad shift from andy. maybe that doesn't make it all better, but just saying AC knew something is more about what you think, not necessarily reality.

/not a contador defender, ban announced today is justified

 

[Hugh Januss]

Just because other doper has been allowed to come back doesn't mean future dopers should have the same luxury. Sometime you have to step up and say: Doping = Lifetime ban. That's the way I would like it.

By the way Andreas Kloeden hasn't been convicted. Although I agree, he is most likely a doper.

It's sad that so many cycling fans are hypocrites. People say they hate dopers but when questioned about lifetime ban? No way!

You are confusing hating doping with hating dopers. Don't hate the riders, hate the system and the UCI which runs it. Lifetime bans for doping positives without punishing the doping Doctors and facilitating managers, and cleaning out the UCI would be the most unfair solution.

 

[Clearly Unstable]

Having just read his quotes, I think what he has said would have been better left unsaid.
Both poor judgement and timing.

1+

Thoughtful intelligent post. Totally out of place here, please delete before reported to Mod.

Embrace the hate, it's warm and comforting...

 

[patrick767]

i've heard that alberto just got banned for 1 year... *** edted by mod ***
anyway for me,there's just one winner of tour de france 2010 and it's not andy.

So a rider returning a positive dope test is okay as long as it's a rider you like? Gotcha.

 

[Kellys Big Sprocket]

Schleck is playing mind games and it is clearly working from quite a few of the posts on this thread. We'll all see him crying in July when Hinault is putting on his winners jersey in Paris. Just you wait and see

 

[pedaling squares]

A lot of hatred generated from a couple of quotes that were obviously responses to questions from an interviewer. AS has said some dumb things before, I just don't see it in this article. This is pretty bland stuff actually.

 

[flicker]

Nothing wrong with anything A. Schleck has said. He is a straight up guy.
Sorry Contador doped and was sanctioned, but I don't like any of the way contador rode in the tour and his huggie thing.

 

[jens_attacks]

So a rider returning a positive dope test is okay as long as it's a rider you like? Gotcha.

i'm not a contador fan,i simply don't agree with the situation of professional cycling these days.legalising wouldn't be an option because people will be whining all day long but damn it don't make all these things public.it's a circus next year even andy can be caught,some crazy german journalists can beat daddy superman,uci and trek.

tomorrow let's prepare for the news in sport publications:THE CRACK-ADDICT CONTADOR BANNED!THE SPORT'S KING OF JUNKIES,BANNED!HE WILL DIE AT 40 FROM A HEART ATTACK!it's a circus,uci can't handle this.i expect these days that rat mcquaid will quit.he should.

 

[The Hitch]

A lot of hatred generated from a couple of quotes that were obviously responses to questions from an interviewer. AS has said some dumb things before, I just don't see it in this article. This is pretty bland stuff actually.

Im not one of the guys doing the mega hating here. In fact Ryo with his comments about Andrews genitalia is doing the hatred for a lot of us here.

But Schleck does talk about the chain incident and how Contador would not have dropped him without it, but doesnt talk about stage 3, where a similar incident got him more time.

To enter the analogies game your playing with dim on the "official 1 year ban" thread, this is like stealing someones phone, then complaining when they steal it back.

It is something he deserves to be critiscised for.

Oh and where is Team_Lux_fans

"Christian!!! Where are you!!!"

 

[Angliru]

Not the northern Euro fans of Frankenandy
maybe they shoot with BB guns in some dark alley.

...or at the peloton while hinding in the bushes on the side of the road.

 

[pedaling squares]

Im not one of the guys doing the mega hating here. In fact Ryo with his comments about Andrews genitalia is doing the hatred for a lot of us here.

But Schleck does talk about the chain incident and how Contador would not have dropped him without it, but doesnt talk about stage 3, where a similar incident got him more time.

To enter the analogies game your playing with dim on the "official 1 year ban" thread, this is like stealing someones phone, then complaining when they steal it back.

It is something he deserves to be critiscised for.

Oh and where is Team_Lux_fans

"Christian!!! Where are you!!!"

Yeah, it was not about you or any one forum member. It doesn't escape me that the timing of the anti-Andy thread coincides with Contador's ban. Fans get frustrated and few think Andy is clean. Fair enough. But there is just so little in that article to get worked up about. As far as stage 3, I don't equate that incident with the chain drop. Riders fall on cobbles and team leaders fall in behind their strongest allies. That's just racing. Nobody's phone was stolen. Now if Frank had done something deliberate to hold up AC, I would cry foul. But no Schleck is tough enough to go down on cobbles deliberately, although you could make a case that Frank's refusal to learn how to handle his bike is akin to self-sacrifice. Ok, he probably couldn't have avoided that fall, but you get my point.

 

[Angliru]

You got me..

I exaggerated. But there is no way you can say that not waiting for AC was the same as not waiting for AS. I am not sure that it was a bad move to attack, I mean it is a race and racing = "No gifts" for me but all that BS afterwards about not knowing what happen to AS is just classless.

Since you introduced "Chaingate" into the discussion: Are you trying to suggest that Andy's opponents (Vino, Menchov, Sanchez and Contador) should've aborted their response to Andy's failed attack because Andy had a alleged mechanical? Technically none of the above other than Andy knew what had happened to Andy. He could've had a cramp like Sanchez had in his failed sprint versus Andy earlier in the Tour for all they knew. Nobody put it better than Ryder Hesjadel: "You pull your sword in battle and drop it, you die!" You initiate an attack and stumble, you get dropped. He needs to get over it because his losing the Tour was more than the scenario he chooses to clutch to his little bosom, as if to make himself feel better about his obvious incompetence at the time.

 

[The Hitch]

Yeah, it was not about you or any one forum member. It doesn't escape me that the timing of the anti-Andy thread coincides with Contador's ban. Fans get frustrated and few think Andy is clean. Fair enough. But there is just so little in that article to get worked up about. As far as stage 3, I don't equate that incident with the chain drop. Riders fall on cobbles and team leaders fall in behind their strongest allies. That's just racing. Nobody's phone was stolen. Now if Frank had done something deliberate to hold up AC, I would cry foul. But no Schleck is tough enough to go down on cobbles deliberately, although you could make a case that Frank's refusal to learn how to handle his bike is akin to self-sacrifice. Ok, he probably couldn't have avoided that fall, but you get my point.

I know you werent addressing, me, im just saying that imo, there is a bit in that article to get worked up about.

Well the point is Schleck is complaining that because he was held up by an unfortunate incident- no fault of his own, they should have waited. Well if this is the rule, then stage 3, frank crashing, should surely also fall under that catergory. COntador wasnt responsible for the Frank crash. But while that slows him down, Andrew is to busy following the greatest tter- cobbled specialist, possibly of all time, to a 1 minute + gc boost.

I think either
a) alls fair in love and war - Contador wins by 39 seconds
or
b) Treat others with the respect you would like to be treated - Contador goes into Alps, and most probably Pyranees with a 40 second advantae + tt to come.

 

[pedaling squares]

Since you introduced "Chaingate" into the discussion: Are you trying to suggest that Andy's opponents (Vino, Menchov, Sanchez and Contador) should've aborted their response to Andy's failed attack because Andy had a
alleged mechanical? Technically none of the above other than Andy knew what had happened to Andy. He could've had a cramp like Sanchez had in his failed sprint versus Andy earlier in the Tour for all they knew. Nobody put it better than Ryder Hesjadel: "You pull your sword in battle and drop it, you die!" You initiate an attack and stumble, you get dropped. He needs to get over it because his losing the Tour was more than the scenario he chooses to clutch to his little bosom, as if to make himself feel better about his obvious incompetence at the time.

I still don't know that it was wrong to attack, because the chain drop was likely Andy's own fault and hey - what Ryder said. What I (and apparently Walkman too) disliked was AC's claim that he didn't know what was happening. IIRC Andy's rear wheel hopped, he stopped instantly, and he looked down at his drivetrain. Anyone could clearly see that it was a mechanical incident, not a cramp. No way Contador comes from several metres behind and misses that. Was AC in the wrong? I don't really believe so, and anyway who cares? It's a competition not a cooperative. In a perfect world Contador would have said, "Too bad for Andy, I wanted to win and so attacked." And Andy would have given the media his honest perspective from day one instead of revealing his true thoughts months later when everyone knows that he might not face the guy for a year. But who the hell are we to expect honesty from pro cyclists??!!

 

[The Hitch]

I still don't know that it was wrong to attack, because the chain drop was likely Andy's own fault and hey - what Ryder said. What I (and apparently Walkman too) disliked was AC's claim that he didn't know what was happening. IIRC Andy's rear wheel hopped, he stopped instantly, and he looked down at his drivetrain. Anyone could clearly see that it was a mechanical incident, not a cramp. No way Contador comes from several metres behind and misses that. Was AC in the wrong? I don't really believe so, and anyway who cares? It's a competition not a cooperative.?!!

My first thought was exactly the same. Contador could clearly see Andy stopped. No 2 ways about it. Andrew was wearing the mj so he cant pretend he thought it was Chris Anker Sorensen flying up the Pyranees.

My guess is that he wasnt pushed on this point for the simple reason, all celebrities are allowed to get away with everything.. No one expects bike riders to do anything more than ride bikes.

Andy was stopped dead, by the time COntador passed him. You wouldnt need a special forces interegator to back COntador into a corner on this point.

 

[Ryaguas]

put up a photo of schleck and he looks like he's going to drink tea at his boyfriends home

hahahaha love it!

rider error or real mechanical failure

Ppl still arguing about that? OMG... seriously...

So you like dopers in the races? In my humble opinion, would it be great in AC doesn't ride the Tour simply because I think riders should race clean.

OMG... stop being such a kid... world is not perfect... ppl are not perfect... cycling is not perfect...

It's sad that so many cycling fans are hypocrites. People say they hate dopers but when questioned about lifetime ban? No way!

Lifetime ban = if they are caught again in doping... but as life everyone deserves a second chance.

I exaggerated. But there is no way you can say that not waiting for AC was the same as not waiting for AS. I am not sure that it was a bad move to attack, I mean it is a race and racing = "No gifts" for me but all that BS afterwards about not knowing what happen to AS is just classless.

No more carebears in cycling.. this is a race ppl should be backstabbing each other to win the race!

So a rider returning a positive dope test is okay as long as it's a rider you like? Gotcha.

Is not OK... but should be enough evidence against him!

 

[Walkman]

Since you introduced "Chaingate" into the discussion: Are you trying to suggest that Andy's opponents (Vino, Menchov, Sanchez and Contador) should've aborted their response to Andy's failed attack because Andy had a alleged mechanical? Technically none of the above other than Andy knew what had happened to Andy. He could've had a cramp like Sanchez had in his failed sprint versus Andy earlier in the Tour for all they knew. Nobody put it better than Ryder Hesjadel: "You pull your sword in battle and drop it, you die!" You initiate an attack and stumble, you get dropped. He needs to get over it because his losing the Tour was more than the scenario he chooses to clutch to his little bosom, as if to make himself feel better about his obvious incompetence at the time.

Please read my post again.

I said, and I quote:

I am not sure that it was a bad move to attack, I mean it is a race and racing = "No gifts" for me but all that BS afterwards about not knowing what happen to AS is just classless.

So the obvious answer is no, I did not suggest that Andy's opponents should've aborted their attack.

Furthermore I wrote, and yet again I quote:

But there is no way you can say that not waiting for AC was the same as not waiting for AS.

As a response to indurain666 post who said.

I have said it before and will say it again: nobody waited for AC back in 2007 in the stage to Briancon when he had an actual mechanical.

With that I meant that you can't compare "the heads of state" not waiting for AC in 2007 with AC and co not waiting for AS. The way I see it, it is a big difference between beeing in the MJ or the number 2 guy on your team. This was also before anyone really knew what AC was capable of.

As for AC not knowing..

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9KbR5fyhRsU

AS is almost standing still when AC comes by. Mechanical, cramp or whatever that doesn't change the fact that AC took advantage of AS having big problems. And then saying that he didn't knew, that he didn't saw anything and the earpiece just happened to have a malfunction is just classless.

 

[Walkman]

No more carebears in cycling.. this is a race ppl should be backstabbing each other to win the race!

I never said that he should have waited, but man, all that BS coming after the race about he didn't know?!

Is not OK... but should be enough evidence against him!

Of course! This is very important, but a man who climbs with the Chicken and time-trials with Spartacus, refused a DNA-test to match against the A.C blood bags does look pretty fishy to me. And that's all before the Clen-story.

 

[theyoungest]

AS is almost standing still when AC comes by. Mechanical, cramp or whatever that doesn't change the fact that AC took advantage of AS having big problems. And then saying that he didn't knew, that he didn't saw anything and the earpiece just happened to have a malfunction is just classless.

Ok, so what's classy about going full speed ahead when half the peloton is blocked behind a crash, one day after half the peloton waited for you after a crash?

 

[Walkman]

Ok, so what's classy about going full speed ahead when half the peloton is blocked behind a crash, one day after half the peloton waited for you after a crash?

My friend, you are playing on the wrong field! I am not talking about whether AS are classy or classless, I am debating AC. And since you don't seem to understand what I wrote I will once againg quote myself.

I am not sure that it was a bad move to attack, I mean it is a race and racing = "No gifts" for me but all that BS afterwards about not knowing what happen to AS is just classless.

 

[FignonLeGrand]

if schleck fans are anything like schleck then I doubt they have any guts other than screaming at me from 50 yards and then running away.

No dont encourage them to run, if they are like schleck they could have a fall, trip on a lace, ask you to wait while they find a knife . . . .

 

[Chef_Vodnik]

Ppl still arguing about that? OMG... seriously...

I was not arguing - I was merely stating that I have yet to spot a quote from within the peloton (you know, the people involved; That includes adversaries and Team Saxo itself) clearly stating it was certainly a rider error. All I could find is a personal opinion (albeit an informed one) about what happened here

Maybe I did not look hard enough, though. So, if you have any information on this, I'd be glad to hear it. Seriously, I'm not the one taking sides here.

 

[El Pistolero]

Just as we know who did not win the 2007 Tour, was whipped up on in the mountains, and had it gifted to him by cycling politics!

True, but Contador still won countless of stage races, the Giro, Vuelta and 2 Tours after that

Believe me or not, but I felt sorry for Rasmussen 3 years ago when they took him out.

But I still think he could've won the Tour in 2007 if they didn't allow Rasmussen to go in the breakaway and if Contador didn't have a flat tire at Briancon. But that's cycling I guess(Contador was already a far better TT specialist back then than Rasmussen, so he would've also taken time on him in the final time trial)

 

[Winterfold]

Yet again the idealists who don't ride **** up against reality

Drop your chain on a fluffed gear change on a climb you are fecked on a tuesday night chaingang let alone anything proper

The difference between a genuine mechanical and pilot error is obvious to anyone who ever rode a bike

Anyway it no longer matters... AS is now the cleaningest winner yeah right