Andy Schleck Discussion thread.

[airstream]

Ha ha! Sweet dreams. Since your dream for the tour has been crushed you need to develop another illusion to satisfy youself

No, I don't think about myself at all. It would be foolish. Just a humble opinion. Though I like the argument "Alberto will be angry as he was recognized a doper deservedly and he knows it" a lot. What a belief in someone else's monomaniacal ego.

 

[LaFlorecita]

Flair says me Alberto will be left holding the bag. Andy will own the Vuelta at the expense of his climber magnificence or the edge to put it more prosaically. I'd prefer the Tour annihilation, but nothing can be done - under the circumstances Andy has to be satisfied with the Vuelta this year.

Andy may win but it won't be an "annihilation".

But my primary wish is a real climber clash with a shower of out mutual attacks as during the last 2 Tours Alberto only defended.

A few things:

1 You really only care about the Tour don't you?
2 Alberto attacked both in last year's Tour and in 2010 Tour.
3 Andy attacked less than Alberto in last year's Tour, and they were equal in 2010. So out of those two Andy seems to be the defender. Isn't it beautiful that a tired Alberto still lit up the race more than a fresh Andy?
4 You are not allowed to call Alberto "Alberto".

 

[LaFlorecita]

No, I don't think about myself at all. It would be foolish. Just a humble opinion.

Of course.

Though I like the argument "Alberto will be angry as he was recognized a doper deservedly and he knows it" a lot.

It doesn't surprise me that you like your own made up argument.

What a belief in someone else's monomaniacal ego.

Excusez-moi?

 

[ferryman]

Andy may win but it won't be an "annihilation".



A few things:

1 You really only care about the Tour don't you?
2 Alberto attacked both in last year's Tour and in 2010 Tour.
3 Andy attacked less than Alberto in last year's Tour, and they were equal in 2010. So out of those two Andy seems to be the defender. Isn't it beautiful that a tired Alberto still lit up the race more than a fresh Andy?
4 You are not allowed to call Alberto "Alberto".

Don't know why but this made me chuckle

 

[Red Rick]

Flair says me Alberto will be left holding the bag. Andy will own the Vuelta at the expense of his climber magnificence or the edge to put it more prosaically. I'd prefer the Tour annihilation, but nothing can be done - under the circumstances Andy has to be satisfied with the Vuelta this year.

But my primary wish is a real climber clash with a shower of out mutual attacks as during the last 2 Tours Alberto only defended.

Lol, had first i thought you were just a big fan, but now you're just trolling or you're being delusional

 

[LaFlorecita]

Lol, had first i thought you were just a big fan, but now you're just trolling or you're being delusional

Probably trolling.

 

[Publicus]

Flair says me Alberto will be left holding the bag. Andy will own the Vuelta at the expense of his climber magnificence or the edge to put it more prosaically. I'd prefer the Tour annihilation, but nothing can be done - under the circumstances Andy has to be satisfied with the Vuelta this year.

But my primary wish is a real climber clash with a shower of out mutual attacks as during the last 2 Tours Alberto only defended.

Yes the guy who was being dropped on cat 4's a week ago and who's now off his bike for the next 4 to 6 weeks because of a fracture in his pelvis, will own the Vuelta in 8 weeks. Got it.

 

[the asian]

Flair says me Alberto will be left holding the bag. Andy will own the Vuelta at the expense of his climber magnificence or the edge to put it more prosaically. I'd prefer the Tour annihilation, but nothing can be done - under the circumstances Andy has to be satisfied with the Vuelta this year.

But my primary wish is a real climber clash with a shower of out mutual attacks as during the last 2 Tours Alberto only defended.

Ah now I know what you meant. You meant that Andy Schlrck's organization, the ASO owns the vuelta. That of course is beyond doubt . My humble apologies for my inability to figure out what you meany previously.

 

[iZnoGouD]

Yes the guy who was being dropped on cat 4's a week ago and who's now off his bike for the next 4 to 6 weeks because of a fracture in his pelvis, will own the Vuelta in 8 weeks. Got it.

who knows? he doesn't lack talent and he probably is a fast responder to training like Alberto Contador

 

[LaFlorecita]

Ah now I know what you meant. You meant that Andy Schlrck's organization, the ASO owns the vuelta. That of course is beyond doubt . My humble apologies for my inability to figure out what you meany previously.

*facepalm* So stupid I didn't see that before.

 

[Publicus]

who knows? he doesn't lack talent and he probably is a fast responder to training like Alberto Contador

Yeah, you're right. 2-4 weeks of training should have him burning up the road at the Vuelta.

 

[airstream]

The opponent will be the other man, honest one. For this once.

 

[LaFlorecita]

The opponent will be the other man, honest one. For this once.

Yes, Alberto is an incredibly honest man. Such an amazing guy he is, really. I love him too much.

 

[Afrank]

1 You really only care about the Tour don't you?
2 Alberto attacked both in last year's Tour and in 2010 Tour.
3 Andy attacked less than Alberto in last year's Tour, and they were equal in 2010. So out of those two Andy seems to be the defender. Isn't it beautiful that a tired Alberto still lit up the race more than a fresh Andy?
4 You are not allowed to call Alberto "Alberto".

But none of Alberto's attacks had the same effect or were of the same magnitude of Andy's stage 18 attack. I don't think you can call a rider who attacks and drops all but one on the tourmalet in 2010, and attacks with 60k to go in 2011 a "defender."

 

[airstream]

Yes, Alberto is an incredibly honest man.

Oh, by all appearances we again need Hrotha so that he could do an educative work with you.

But none of Alberto's attacks had the same effect or were of the same magnitude of Andy's stage 18 attack. I don't think you can call a rider who attacks and drops all but one on the tourmalet in 2010, and attacks with 60k to go in 2011 a "defender."

Exactly. Compared to Andy's attacks, Alberto's pulls are just slight probings. Andy put into 4 min on the Galibier all at once. I'm proud I watched that stage. If one is not, one just understands nothing about cycling.

 

[Christian]

4 You are not allowed to call Alberto "Alberto".

The other day you were bashing Andy for calling him "Contador", now you are bashing airstream for calling him "Alberto", which are we supposed to use now?! This is all very confusing

 

[Arnout]

To be honest this thread in it's entirety is quite confusing to me. Especially the fact that airstream uses very interesting words in one posts and then says he doesn't understand things because of non-nativety is kind of puzzling.

 

[The Hitch]

But none of Alberto's attacks had the same effect or were of the same magnitude of Andy's stage 18 attack. I don't think you can call a rider who attacks and drops all but one on the tourmalet in 2010, and attacks with 60k to go in 2011 a "defender."

Contadors attacks had more effect. Schlecks attack got him 2 minutes which he procceeded to lose on the itt.

You can say evans being forced to respond was an effect of the attack, but then again the 3 guys who were still in fight for the gc by then - Evans, Frank, Voeckler, all stayed in the group so it had very limited gc impact

Contadors first attack - Gap, blew the race apart totaly costing 3 of the 4 contenders time as Voeckler Frank Schleck and Andy especially lost time

His second attack, the mini one on the Pinerolo descent forced Voeckler into an error that cost him half a minute

His third attack - Alpe d huez, totaly cracked Voeckler, and depleted Andy.

 

[dlwssonic]

Andy seems more prepared for la vuelta and said he is going for the win.
Should be an interesting battle. Also there would be Florecita vs Airstream.

 

[dlwssonic]

http://www.velonation.com/News/ID/12111/Schleck-refocuses-to-target-Olympics-Vuelta-and-worlds-after-Tour-withdrawal-is-confirmed.aspx

Andy to do the triple??
Vuelta, Worlds and Lombardy

 

[Afrank]

Contadors attacks had more effect. Schlecks attack got him 2 minutes which he procceeded to lose on the itt.

You can say evans being forced to respond was an effect of the attack, but then again the 3 guys who were still in fight for the gc by then - Evans, Frank, Voeckler, all stayed in the group so it had very limited gc impact

Contadors first attack - Gap, blew the race apart totaly costing 3 of the 4 contenders time as Voeckler Frank Schleck and Andy especially lost time

His second attack, the mini one on the Pinerolo descent forced Voeckler into an error that cost him half a minute

His third attack - Alpe d huez, totaly cracked Voeckler, and depleted Andy.

Andy's attack on stage 18 put him back into contention. The attack moved him from 4th to 2nd, and dropped Contador completely out of contention. I'd say that is a pretty big GC impact.

Contador only was able to gain 1'48 total on andy through attacks. While Andy gained 3'50 on Contador with one attack. And Contadors Alpe d Huez attack that "depleted" Andy only gained him 34 seconds.

In the long run Contador was unable to gain as much time with multiple attacks as Andy was with one attack. Andy's attack was therefore much more effective.

Also Voeckler was never a real GC contender.

 

[happychappy]

Come on Schlecklet! Kick Dirty Bertie's **** all over spain! I'm possibly looking forward to that more than watching some race in July.. I've forgotten what it's called. Tour de Something-or-other.

 

[The Hitch]

Andy's attack on stage 18 put him back into contention. The attack moved him from 4th to 2nd, and dropped Contador completely out of contention. I'd say that is a pretty big GC impact.

Contador only was able to gain 1'48 total on andy through attacks. While Andy gained 3'50 on Contador with one attack. And Contadors Alpe d Huez attack that "depleted" Andy only gained him 34 seconds.

In the long run Contador was unable to gain as much time with multiple attacks as Andy was with one attack. Andy's attack was therefore much more effective.

Also Voeckler was never a real GC contender.

Except Andy did not gain his time from an attack. the attack is the increase in speed. Andy moved.60k from the finish and everyone sat back thinking he was mad. contador even took time to get hisself a bike change for the final climb.

Portraying andy's 18 effort as an attack that cracked contador for 4 is like saying that hushovds attack on stage 13 got him 10 minutes or whatever it was on the gc guys.

I would nt say Andy cracked The Great One on 18 neither since contador said before that stage that his knee was ****ed and its unlikely he would have held on whatever happened.

 

[The Hitch]

Andy seems more prepared for la vuelta and said he is going for the win.
Should be an interesting battle. Also there would be Florecita vs Airstream.

Damn Schleck was going to be ready for the tour and make the mountains interesting. such a shame and his crash is something many will likely regret throughout the tour as sky ttt wiggins up to 15s losses on last 2k of mountain stages

 

[Afrank]

Except Andy did not gain his time from an attack. the attack is the increase in speed. Andy moved.60k from the finish and everyone sat back thinking he was mad. contador even took time to get hisself a bike change for the final climb.

Portraying andy's 18 effort as an attack that cracked contador for 4 is like saying that hushovds attack on stage 13 got him 10 minutes or whatever it was on the gc guys.

I would nt say Andy cracked The Great One on 18 neither since contador said before that stage that his knee was ****ed and its unlikely he would have held on whatever happened.

Ok then, Andy's solo breakaway gained more time then Contador did with all his attacks. Either way it was far more effective then Contadors attacks.

If Andy's breakaway/attack did not crack Contador then it sure made it more difficult for him. Without Andy's solo effort off the front Contador probably, even if his knee was bad, wouldn't have lost as much time either.