"another interesting piece I found on the UCI and president Pat McQuaid " Thread

[DirtyWorks]

Same Old UCI

Just to show you how cool it is to be the UCI dead in the middle of another doping scandal. The UCI is apparently trying for SIX MORE EVENTS for the Rio games!!!

restoring the individual points event, plus introducing BMX freestyle and mountain bike eliminator events.

Three events for both genders is six total. Mountain bike eliminator is a discipline created for broadcast. Ugh.

http://sportsillustrated.cnn.com/-olympics/news/20130202/rio-janeiro-olympic-cycline.ap/

This is the IOC. It could happen.

 

[DirtyWorks]

There are so many threads on the UCI and Pat this might be posted already.

Pat is trying to get other sports federations that fund WADA to pull their funding to punish WADA for publicly documenting the UCI's corruption.

http://www.velonation.com/News/ID/1...members-to-request-WADA-eases-off-on-UCI.aspx

 

[D-Queued]

There are so many threads on the UCI and Pat this might be posted already.

Pat trying to get other sports federations that fund WADA to pull their funding to punish WADA for publicly documenting the UCI's corruption.

http://www.velonation.com/News/ID/1...members-to-request-WADA-eases-off-on-UCI.aspx

Thanks.

Yes, this has been posted already. It deserves far more dialog and scrutiny than it has thus far received, however.

We should be contacting everyone we might know at other IOC sports to not only discourage the overture, but to be public in condemning an attempt to avoid responsibility by employing such cronyism.

This is exactly what gives the Olympic movement a black eye. Pat and the UCI are doing their best to tar ALL other Olymmpic sports with their brush.

Dave.

 

[peterst6906]

Is McQuaid joking?

In an interview on Velonews in relation to an independent testing body he has said:

VeloNews: One of the claims from Change Cycling Now, and we took this stance in our recent five-point plan to help save the sport, is that the anti-doping effort needs to be truly independent of the UCI. It could be some of the same UCI scientists, but a different division, to truly have that separation. What are your thoughts on this?
Pat McQuaid: We’d love it to be truly independent. The UCI has said that for years. We’d love it to be truly independent. We’d love to have somebody running it for us. But the fact is, the rules don’t allow us. The WADA Code states, very clearly, that the international federation is responsible for anti-doping within the sport. So the rules don’t allow us to do that. Having said that, we have created, and step-by-step we are creating, that situation.

The CADF [Cycling Anti-doping Foundation] has been set up as a separate foundation to the UCI. It has a separate board, a separate funding committee. I’m currently president of the board, and that’s something I am going to relinquish.

VN: That doesn’t sound independent.
PM: We’ll find somebody independent to be president. Having said that, with the passport, and Francesca [Rossi] presented this [to the Management Committee], WADA oversees every step of the way in the passport — every step of the way. Even if it’s not independent, as you say, we can’t make decisions in our favor, or try and hide things, because WADA sees them.

He can't be serious. CADF?

Set up in 2008 (they must have been asleep until now), he's currently the President and it will always be underneath the UCI. Even information about them is through http://www.uci.ch

And the lack of independence is all WADAs fault.

Until he goes, there can be no improvement in anything to do with anti-doping in cycling.

Long term, if he stays around the whole current situation will slowly go away once the season starts and it'll bubble under the surface until the next major scandal.

 

[Tinman]

Is McQuaid joking?

In an interview on Velonews in relation to an independent testing body he has said:



He can't be serious. CADF?

Set up in 2008 (they must have been asleep until now), he's currently the President and it will always be underneath the UCI. Even information about them is through http://www.uci.ch

I have still not understood why a sports independent body cannot assume full control of the testing process for all sports in their country. Surely the national anti doping agencies can do this, maybe report to their national sports ministry (to ensure mass popular accountability), and make doping a criminal offense also. Individual sports agencies can provide input into specific testing nuances, but Wada sets the final protocols for implementation by the national Ada's.

 

[DirtyWorks]

I have still not understood why a sports independent body cannot assume full control of the testing process for all sports in their country.

The first year of positives would create a massive backlog of cases in a number of sports including cycling. The IOC and the sports federations under the IOC would lose control of managing doping controversy.

The IOC has proven themselves to be aggressively "anti-doping controversy." They like the doping. Just don't get caught doping.

Surely the national anti doping agencies can do this, maybe report to their national sports ministry (to ensure mass popular accountability),

A legitimate problem is not every country has a sports ministry. Why would they just hand it over? The Olympic brand is built on suppressing doping controversy and the miraculously timed world records every four years.

and make doping a criminal offense also.

Nope. IOC likes doping. Let's face it, spectators like it too. It's super-human.

 

[D-Queued]

Is McQuaid joking?

In an interview on Velonews in relation to an independent testing body he has said:

Phat: <Charlie Brown's mother>...

VN: That doesn’t sound independent.

...

...

Dave.

 

[orbeas]

Uci

He is probably just looking to protect his position (despite the denials) as potentially the next UCI president. After all, such positions are rarely given to 'mavericks' who are unafraid to tell the truth and genuinely seek change.


http://sport.uk.msn.com/cookson-linked-with-uci-presidency-role

http://www1.skysports.com/cycling/news/15264/8421216/

I am sure that his recent comments will help to convince 'the powers that be' that he is a 'safe pair of hands'.

worth a read from 2006 !!

http://www.cyclingnews.com/news/protour-british-cycling-supports-mcquaid

 

[DirtyWorks]

Pat and Hein Flip "the Bird"

Pat and Hein aren't worried and don't care that yet another doping scandal taints cycling.

What a disaster:
Starting 21 February through 15 March,
As a result, the consultation will cover four broad themes: globalization, anti-doping, the cycling calendar and riders. A fifth subject — that of the governance of cycling — will be a “red thread” running through each of the four major themes.

Globalization is code for "Tour of China made me a whole lot of money. More to come!"

They are going to tell anyone that bothers to show up what Pat and Hein are going to change. As in, it's done, here it comes.

http://velonews.competitor.com/2013...quaid-outlines-uci-stakeholder-process_274571

 

[AcademyCC]

A specially designed online consultation survey.

What a ****ing joke

 

[Oldman]

"Trusted by the IOC" pretty much says it all....

 

[gillan1969]

A specially designed online consultation survey.

What a ****ing joke

when rome burns indeed.....unbloodybeleivable!

clowns and terrorists

 

[BroDeal]

when rome burns indeed.....unbloodybeleivable!

clowns and terrorists

Don't forget "are no different than Colonel Muammer Gaddafi."

 

[Mrs John Murphy]

I dunno. I am quite looking forward to filling in the online form and seeing if there is the option to call McQuaid a corrupt mother****ing **** of man.

 

[skippy]

What is needed is an Outside Petition that people can refer the " Deloite's People " to in such a manner that , if they are doing their Job properly . they are FORCED to include in their report !

As individuals & fans , we will count for NOTHING , swept under the Carpet , BUT , with this Petition , not only the Media but OTHER Cycling Fans will have a place to ADD their concerns !

As before , i called on RaceRadio & others to lead the way , since my efforts were IGNORED by those in the clinic !

TIME others made an effort to show me , that they are SERIOUS , perhaps the " clinic 12 " can formulate an example , to which ALL others can subscribe ?

 

[peterst6906]

What is needed is an Outside Petition that people can refer the " Deloite's People " to in such a manner that , if they are doing their Job properly . they are FORCED to include in their report !

Sorry Skippy, I don't see the logic of that statement.

Deloite will be doing their job properly if they do exactly what they are contracted to do by the UCI.

They can't be forced by anyone to do anything outside that.

The fact that the UCI are running this should already give you an idea of the outcome, irrespective what the responses are.

 

[Race Radio]

Verburggen has completely lost his mind.

http://www.insidethegames.biz/sport...ggen-denies-involvement-in-armstrong-cover-up

So he was aware lance tested positive multiple times but they still took a "Donation" from him? Hein still told reporters that Lance "Never, never, doped"

.....and of course he blames it all on WADA/USADA. Such an embarrassment.

 

[Fearless Greg Lemond]

Verburggen has completely lost his mind.

http://www.insidethegames.biz/sport...ggen-denies-involvement-in-armstrong-cover-up

So he was aware lance tested positive multiple times but they still took a "Donation" from him? Hein still told reporters that Lance "Never, never, doped"

In fact, he is not lying. The cortisone was within the limit, the EPO positive did not have enough isoforms, as far as we know. See the Bo Hamburger case.

They made it possible to dope between the bandwith, only the lesser [fortunate] riders got caught.

The fact Verbruggen acts like a Calimero is nothing new; most tested sport, WADA hates us: we know the little peckerwood by now. Loathsome man, nice to see he still has a nice job with IOC...

 

[neineinei]

Enrico Carpani: "- The problem in cycling is that too many people are talking"

UCI communications director Enrico Carpani:

- The problem in cycling is that too many people are talking, starting with Bjarne Riis. Bjarne Riis should not say anything. Nothing. He just put cycling in trouble all know what happened in the past, says Enrico Carpani to sporten.tv2.dk

http://sporten.tv2.dk/2013-02-12-uci-ti-stille-bjarne Danish
http://translate.google.com/transla...v2.dk/2013-02-12-uci-ti-stille-bjarne&act=url Google translate

 

[GJB123]

In fact, he is not lying. The cortisone was within the limit, the EPO positive did not have enough isoforms, as far as we know. See the Bo Hamburger case.

They made it possible to dope between the bandwith, only the lesser [fortunate] riders got caught.

The fact Verbruggen acts like a Calimero is nothing new; most tested sport, WADA hates us: we know the little peckerwood by now. Loathsome man, nice to see he still has a nice job with IOC...

I thought there was no limit on cortisone and that it was a flat out positive that only got swept under the carpet by the backdated TUE for a (non-existing) addle sore cream?

 

[Race Radio]

In fact, he is not lying. The cortisone was within the limit, the EPO positive did not have enough isoforms, as far as we know. See the Bo Hamburger case.

They made it possible to dope between the bandwith, only the lesser [fortunate] riders got caught.

The fact Verbruggen acts like a Calimero is nothing new; most tested sport, WADA hates us: we know the little peckerwood by now. Loathsome man, nice to see he still has a nice job with IOC...

Nope. If you refer to the UCI banned list from 1999 to present glucocorticosteroids, the class of drug to which covers triamcinolone acétonide, do not have a threshold level. They are banned outright. UCI allowed Lance to submit a fake, back dated, TUE. He should have been sanctioned.

Both his ToS and TdD tests would have been positive with more up to date tests. Verbruggen knew all of this yet still defended Armstrong.

 

[Fearless Greg Lemond]

I thought there was no limit on cortisone and that it was a flat out positive that only got swept under the carpet by the backdated TUE for a (non-existing) addle sore cream?

To my recollection there was indeed a limit for cortisone [up to 6], the backdated tue was needed for Armstrongs lies of him not taking anything, anything at all.

There were a lot of cortisone cases within the limits in 1999.

http://autobus.cyclingnews.com/results/1999/jul99/jul22.shtml

Since the start of the Tour, corticoid traces have been detected in the urine of other riders. In an article with the daily newspaper L'Humanité on Tuesday July 20, Jacques de Ceaurriz, the director of the LNLD, estimated that, of the hundreds of samples taken since the prologue, "20 to 30 cases" would reveal the presence of corticoids. But the traces were below the threshold ratio of 6.

Belgian rider Tom Steels (Mapei-Quick Step) was tested on July 5, and recorded a ratio of 1.8. Italian Michele Coppolillo (Mercatone Uno) was tested on July 6 and recorded 1.6. His compatriot Mariano Piccoli (Lampre), the early holder of the polka dot climber's jersey, was tested on July 7 and recorded 1.3. Another Italian, Daniele Nardello (Mapei-Quick Step) was tested on July 8 with a rate of 1.7. In each of these riders the same synthetic molecule was detected - triamcinolone acetonide.

This synthetic molecule is a less aggressive corticoid and is used as a diuretic for the patients suffering from kidney and cardiac diseases. According to a specialist who we questioned: "This drug does not have any use, two years after a bout of chemotherapy. It is an immuno-depressor which in the long term depresses the immune system." The same doctor continued: "On the other hand, if the urine tests detect this product, it is undoubtedly, an indication that the patient has taken it. There cannot be any confusion between the body naturally producing the substance and taken it exogenously."

Diuretic, what was F. Schleck positive of?

Nope. If you refer to the UCI banned list from 1999 to present glucocorticosteroids, the class of drug to which covers triamcinolone acétonide, do not have a threshold level. They are banned outright. UCI allowed Lance to submit a fake, back dated, TUE. He should have been sanctioned.

Both his ToS and TdD tests would have been positive with more up to date tests. Verbruggen knew all of this yet still defended Armstrong.

Agree on the bold but I am not so sure on the corticosteroids. Fact remains he suddenly had a backdate tue while he had NO TUE at the start of that 1999 Tour de farce.

Guess you know more on the 1999 UCI banned list, would like to read that one if you have it at hand.

 

[Dr. Maserati]

To my recollection there was indeed a limit for cortisone [up to 6], the backdated tue was needed for Armstrongs lies of him not taking anything, anything at all.

There were a lot of cortisone cases within the limits in 1999.

<snipped for brevity>

Agree on the bold but I am not so sure on the corticosteroids. Fact remains he suddenly had a backdate tue while he had NO TUE at the start of that 1999 Tour de farce.

Guess you know more on the 1999 UCI banned list, would like to read that one if you have it at hand.

The quoted article is incorrect as it read the test results wrong.

Here is a press release from the UCI after that, it also includes the applicaple rule at that time:

Information on UCI anti-doping controls is based on two principles:
in the event of a positive result confirmed during a stage race, the information is given firstly to the rider and his team, and then to the media;
in the event of a positive result caused by medical treatment (to which every rider is entitled!), the UCI sees to it that medical secrecy is fully respected, ensuring that the data in question is kept confidential.
We confirm that the controls performed up to 19th July during the Tour de France have all produced negative results.
Without prejudice to the medical secrecy which the UCI fully wishes to maintain, but at the express request of Lance Armstrong and his team, taking into account the exceptional situation brought about by certain publications, the UCI is making an exception to this principle by confirming that:

the rider used the ointment Cemalyt (which contains triamcinolone) to treat a skin allergy.
The medical prescription has been shown to the UCI. The rider was tested on 3rd July 1999 after the prologue, and the result was negative, with no trace of corticosteroids. The rider was tested again on 4th July, and on this occasion minute traces were detected. The result of the tests on these two dates unquestionably demonstrate that there was no systematic use.
The UCI recalls that the use of corticosteroids is restricted as follows in the IOC/UCI list:

Figure III Classes of drugs subject to certain restrictions

C : The use of corticosteroids is prohibited, except when used for topical application (auricular, opthalmological or dermatological), inhalations (asthma and allergic rhinitis) and local or intra-articular injections. Such forms of utilisation are to be proved by the rider with a medical prescription.


In view of all these elements, the UCI, after discussing the case with the competent French authorities, affirms in the strongest terms that such use is permitted by the rules, and therefore does not constitute any form of doping.
We should like to ask all press representatives to be aware of the complexity of doping issues and the related aspects of the rules and the law before producing their publications.

This will allow considerations of a rather superficial, not to say unfounded nature to be avoided. It is indeed surprising to read that testosterone/epitestosterone ratios are used to indicate the concentration of corticosteroids.

We are often faced with questionable conclusions which damage the integrity of the riders who, it should not be forgotten, have rights too.

UCI Press Office

 

[Fearless Greg Lemond]

The quoted article is incorrect as it read the test results wrong.

Here is a press release from the UCI after that, it also includes the applicaple rule at that time:

Thanks!

That is pretty clear, I am going to look for the official 1999 UCI 'anti' doping list. Will need google wizard skills I guess.

I really liked this:

We should like to ask all press representatives to be aware of the complexity of doping issues and the related aspects of the rules and the law before producing their publications.

This will allow considerations of a rather superficial, not to say unfounded nature to be avoided. It is indeed surprising to read that testosterone/epitestosterone ratios are used to indicate the concentration of corticosteroids.

We are often faced with questionable conclusions which damage the integrity of the riders who, it should not be forgotten, have rights too.

So, all the riders on that LeMonde article should have been out of the race? Or were those other riders tested on testo/epitesto?

That article you linked goes in my ''dopey'' archive.

 

[frenchfry]

Verburggen has completely lost his mind.

http://www.insidethegames.biz/sport...ggen-denies-involvement-in-armstrong-cover-up

So he was aware lance tested positive multiple times but they still took a "Donation" from him? Hein still told reporters that Lance "Never, never, doped"

.....and of course he blames it all on WADA/USADA. Such an embarrassment.

Verdruggen takes us all for a bunch of morons.

He must be feeling courageous now that he has disbanded the "independant" commission.