Are you a Vegetarian?

[Altitude]

Im not a vegetarian but Germany's strongest man is!
http://www.mfablog.org/2011/08/vegetarian-crowned-germanys-strongest-man.html

How people can still claim that you need to eat flesh in order to be a strong athlete is beyond me.

 

[stephens]

How people can still claim that you need to eat flesh in order to be a strong athlete is beyond me.

How people can still claim that that is what people claim is beyond me.

Let's clear this up: no one claims every single human being must eat meat to be strong. In reality, the omnivore's position on nutrition, just like their diet, is more complex and open to many possibilities.

 

[Altitude]

How people can still claim that that is what people claim is beyond me.

Let's clear this up: no one claims every single human being must eat meat to be strong. In reality, the omnivore's position on nutrition, just like their diet, is more complex and open to many possibilities.

Plenty of people still claim that - I hear it all the time. Maybe you don't but many do.

 

[Polyarmour]

Let's clear this up: no one claims every single human being must eat meat to be strong. In reality, the omnivore's position on nutrition, just like their diet, is more complex and open to many possibilities.

Actually I think plenty of people make this claim.
What does the Atkins diet recommend you eat?
Ditto for all other high protein/fat, low carb diets.
What do the paleo and primal diets recommend?
Plenty of nutritional organizations and government food pyramids (not all) show meat as something to be eaten regularly for good health.
Ask any butcher about your claims above.
Ask the meat and livestock industries about your claims above.
Then look at the influence these groups have on government policy.
This tells you what the government thinks about the role of meat and dairy in our diet even if they don't come out directly and say it.
And you've never heard that urban myth that regularly gets propogated around the backyard BBQ by red faced, beer gutted men? "Vegetarians are all a bit weak aren't they? They all look a bit pasty and are always getting sick. What they need is a good steak" Or words to that effect. I must have heard it a 1000 times.
To the contrary, the belief that meat should be a staple part of our diet is absolutely widespread. Hell, just read the rest of this thread!

 

[Polyarmour]

I thought some might be interested to know.
After nearly a year and a half as a vegetarian, no eggs, no dairy, small amount of cheese, I got my blood tests back yesterday.

Cholesterol of 3.9mmol/L (150mg/dL)
Triglycerides of 0.6mmol/L (53mg/dL)
HDL's of 1.6mmol/L (61mg/dL)
LDL's of 2.0mmol/L (77mg/dL)

My meat eating figures from a year and a half ago were:

Cholesterol of 4.8mmol/L (184mg/dL)
Triglycerides of 0.5mmol/L (44mg/dL)
HDL's of 1.6mmol/L (61mg/dL)
LDL's of 3.0mmol/L (115mg/dL)

While my Cholesterol was always pretty good, the significant thing (for me) is the lowering of the LDL's from 3.0 to 2.0 which drops me into a lower risk category for the dreaded heart disease.

 

[daveinzambia]

Plenty of people still claim that - I hear it all the time. Maybe you don't but many do.

in fact get Adverts on TV here telling us how red meat is required.

not including the traditional sam kekovich lamb ads for Australia day.

I also come from a cultural group that believe sausages count as vegetables and if you have not eaten meat you have not eaten.

 

[stephens]

I forgot you guys lived in the wild! Rest assured that in most of the civilized world, people are quite used to the idea that one can avoid meat and still be healthy, strong, and succeed at sporting endeavors. I doubt any one approaches Mike Tyson and tells him he has to eat meat, or Bill Clinton or whomever is in the news for their food choices this week...

 

[ramjambunath]

Is it really necessary to assert one's diet on others? I'm a vegetarian myself, have been all my life, and haven't had any problems with coping with others in the sports I play but one's diet is surely an individual's choice. I've had non vegetarians try to force their diet on me and I always found that unpleasant, so I assume that it works both ways.

 

[jamiephillips]

^ It's true some people are obsessed with what other people eat!

 

[Lamont]

Hi Alpe,
I am a vegetarian and found vegetables great to boost energy and helps in losing and maintaining healthy body weight. Vegetables are great antioxidant and reduce the risk of certain types of cancer, diabetes, high blood pressure, depression and cardiovascular disease.

 

[rickshaw]

Hi Alpe,
I am a vegetarian and found vegetables great to boost energy and helps in losing and maintaining healthy body weight. Vegetables are great antioxidant and reduce the risk of certain types of cancer, diabetes, high blood pressure, depression and cardiovascular disease.

Hi all

I've been a vegetarian for 32 years. I'm over weight, have high blood pressure, high "bad" cholesterol, one bad knee joint, carpel tunnel in both wrists, in need of serious dental work. And I had a skin cancer this year. Yesterday I saw a woman who weighed about 250-300 lbs who claimed to be a veg also.... Being a vegetarian won't make you sick, and its not guaranteed to make you healthy.

 

[durianrider]

Hi all

I've been a vegetarian for 32 years. I'm over weight, have high blood pressure, high "bad" cholesterol, one bad knee joint, carpel tunnel in both wrists, in need of serious dental work. And I had a skin cancer this year. Yesterday I saw a woman who weighed about 250-300 lbs who claimed to be a veg also.... Being a vegetarian won't make you sick, and its not guaranteed to make you healthy.

Being a vegetarian in the west typically means one still eats eggs, dairy, fish, chicken and the odd steak at the bbq aka foods FULL of saturated fat, endotoxins, cholesterol, metabolic waste products etc. Being a vegetarian in China means you eat no animal products and stay super lean and healthy.

Think about it. Ive got healthier meat eating mates that hardly eat any animal products than my vegetarian friends that guzzle animal products cos they are paranoid they will develop a protein deficiency or some nonsense in 24hours.

On paper most vegetarians eat as much animal products as the typical SAD eater.

 

[ambrose]

Harley, you really need to stop with all this BS you talk. I respect your diet and the reasons behind it. You should learn to respect others. most vegetarians don't eat " fish, chicken and the odd steak ". i have been vegetarian for over 10 years, and i haven't eaten any of these things.

Next any diet is ok, so long as it's balanced. and your reference to all your favorite studies, correlation does not mean causality. Statistics are fundamentally floored and should never be used as proof of something. There are studies out there proving pretty much anything these days.

Next training with the pros. being a cycling groupie does not mean you train with them. just cos you hang outside the tdu village and wait for the pros to turn up, doesn't mean anything. And your claims of being some superstar cyclist are utter bs. i have ridden with you enough to know that.

Just cos something works for you, doesn't mean it will work for others. Remember your lifestyle isn't particularly typical. Preaching does more harm to your cause then good. Think how much you love religious zealots.

Just my educated 2 cents.

 

[Caruut]

Being a vegetarian in the west typically means one still eats eggs, dairy, fish, chicken and the odd steak at the bbq aka foods FULL of saturated fat, endotoxins, cholesterol, metabolic waste products etc. Being a vegetarian in China means you eat no animal products and stay super lean and healthy.

Think about it. Ive got healthier meat eating mates that hardly eat any animal products than my vegetarian friends that guzzle animal products cos they are paranoid they will develop a protein deficiency or some nonsense in 24hours.

On paper most vegetarians eat as much animal products as the typical SAD eater.

You are so laughably full of BS it's unreal. Do you have any of your famous studies proving this stuff about vegetarians in the West eating steak? I know a few who eat fish, but they're really pescitarians and only call themselves vegetarians because that's a far more widely understood term. I know one girl who calls herself a vegetarian who eats meat once a month because she made a deal with her family related to university costs. Those two are about as close to this perverse mental picture you've constructed for yourself about what vegetarians eat.

A vegetarian for 16 out of the 20 years of my life (technically the first 3 were pesci-, but whatever), never had a steak, don't know what chicken tastes like and of course I eat eggs and dairy - if I didn't I'd be a vegan.

 

[rickshaw]

You idiot...

Being a vegetarian in the west typically means one still eats eggs, dairy, fish, chicken and the odd steak at the bbq aka foods FULL of saturated fat, endotoxins, cholesterol, metabolic waste products etc. Being a vegetarian in China means you eat no animal products and stay super lean and healthy.

There is no "typical" and your characterization of western vegetarians is total nonsense. One thing western vegetarian is NOT is a fad weight loss diet expounding 30 bananas a day as the cure to all of life's problems. Your "raw - vegan life style" is a load of crap. You are a scammer trying to fool people into subscribing to a stupid diet plan. Everything about you says "HOAX HOAX HOAX". Don't take my word for it guys, look up "30 Bananas a day".

Discuss among yourselves....

 

[ambrose]

Rickshaw, i would be inclined to disagree about Harley being a scammer. He is raw vegan, and he probably does eat 30 bananas a day. He believes in what he does, and i support that. I don't support some of the other things he does (in particular his preaching) but he does believe it.

 

[durianrider]

Its true...we are scammers (hangs head in shame).

We are SCAMMING people to eat more organic fruits and vegetables and inspire them to ride their bicycles more.

Its a scam from top to bottom.

I even scammed my own GF into doing it...

 

[Dear Wiggo]

Its true...we are scammers (hangs head in shame).

We are SCAMMING people to eat more organic fruits and vegetables and inspire them to ride their bicycles more.

Its a scam from top to bottom.

I even scammed my own GF into doing it...

Pretty sure the one on the left is never going to die from silicon leaking into her body... And my gf has the same shape of your gf, apart from the stuffed bits (she's all natural), but eats meat all the time. You should head to France some time mate, many of the women are smokin' (literally and figuratively) but they all eat meat, cream, cheese and chocolate. Haha! Fancy that. Great figures and great menus.

 

[Michele]

 

[rickshaw]

Moser darling...

SORRY I GOT THE NAME WRONG..... AMBROSE DARLING.....

Rickshaw, i would be inclined to disagree about Harley being a scammer. He is raw vegan, and he probably does eat 30 bananas a day. He believes in what he does, and i support that. I don't support some of the other things he does (in particular his preaching) but he does believe it.

I would urge you to really read this guy and his Bimbo's web stuff, the "Raw Vegan Lifestyle". Raw Vegan. Sure you could eat a potato, RAW... It has to be "lifestyle" bedxasue you'll be spending your whole life trying to scrounge up enough "raw vegan" food to survive

http://www.30bananasaday.com/

It is everybit as much a fad as Aitkins, and all the "mono-food" diet. The "scam" part comes from preying upon insecure, body weight obsessed people.

Here's another
http://30bananasadaysucks.com/

Look it over. Do these look like well adjusted, secure people? Does the "before" pic of Freelee / Barbie really look fat and hideous?

Protein Bloat? WTF, just a phrase NanaMan and Barbie made up. Here's the low down on bloat.
http://www.webmd.com/diet/features/10-flat-belly-tips

In other words, how to get into those skin tight jeans, have the waist of a 12 year old and the tyts of a Playboy spokes model. iTs the kind of crap you used to see on match book covers,or the space ads in tabloids.

How many ways to spell phoney? / foney? phonie? This stuff is not a foney as most of his imaginary bike world, but its getting there.

 

[ambrose]

i think you have missed my point rickshaw. I have associated with harley on numerous occasions, and as i have said i don't like how he preaches, but he genuinely believes. This is what stops him being a scammer. And say what you will it works for him (though he is not as amazing as he likes to make out). not saying that he is normal, well adjusted or anything else, purely that he is not a scammer