Armstrong and Bruyneel almost quit?!

[Sprocket01]

Ok, I have gone back and read over your posts.

The only question you aked that makes any sence is this.........

Being blunt, NO.

That's a dodge, tut tut.

 

[Sprocket01]

What really ticks me off, is that LA is earning money on the behalf of other peoples suffering.

That, is truly classless.

He's making money (if you want to put it like that) off of his own experience of suffering.

 

[Dr. Maserati]

That's a dodge, tut tut.

I am not dodging your question - I just have no idea what you are on about.

 

[Sprocket01]

I am not dodging your question - I just have no idea what you are on about.

Pretending to be stupid doesn't suit you.

No appearance = no appearance fee.

You're intelligent enough to work that out, surely?

 

[Race Radio]

where did he say he wasn't in for $$$?

I am sure that we can all agree that when he announced he would not be paid a salary on his return this was a feeble attempt to get his groupies to believe the return was about cancer, not $$$$ for Armstrong. This claim, and the Catlin testing program, were simply more misdirection.

 

[Sprocket01]

I am sure that we can all agree that when he announced he would not be paid a salary on his return this was a feeble attempt to get his groupies to believe the return was about cancer, not $$$$ for Armstrong. This claim, and the Catlin testing program, were simply more misdirection.

No, he said that he wouldn't take a salary from the team. At the time I thought this seemed like a transparent attempt to ensure he was allowed to race for Astana, who didn't need him and whose owners are particulaly awkard. I didn't think for one second that he was saying he wouldn't be earning money from other sources - I didn't get that impression at all. That was just obvious and perfectly normal. It's only when it gets onto an internet forum that it all gets twisted into something dodgy and underhand.

LA could have got huge appearance fees for turning up at races throughout his career, but turned most of them down, so it shows you that he's not primarily motivated by money

 

[scribe]

Oh. So he really meant to say he was returning without a salary from Astana. Got it.

 

[Dr. Maserati]

Pretending to be stupid doesn't suit you.
No appearance = no appearance fee.
You're intelligent enough to work that out, surely?

I think what you are trying to suggest is that LA wanting to quit shows that he is not interested in the money? Firstly he had made a million for riding in Oz, but yes he would have lost out on earning the $2,000,000 from the Giro.

Now - if LA had said....
“I am happy to announce that after talking with my children, my family and my closest friends, I have decided to return to professional cycling in order to raise BUCKETLOADS OF MONEY FOR ME,"
....your 'theory' would have merit.

I suggest you go back and read my first post on this thread, I make no reference to money. YOU were the one to bring in money in your reply.

I did say that his return was more about his 'competitiveness, ego, pride and indeed money' - which of course you focused on the latter and ignored the other three.

 

[Sprocket01]

Now - if LA had said....
“I am happy to announce that after talking with my children, my family and my closest friends, I have decided to return to professional cycling in order to raise BUCKETLOADS OF MONEY FOR ME,"
....your 'theory' would have merit.

Well, well done for stepping up, but that doesn't make any difference to the point. What he announced when coming back is nothing to do with the fact quiting would still have meant massive financial loss.

You may not have said he is solely in it for the money, but this has been the clear implication of many of your remarks on this and other threads, which is the same for many other posters. The fact you can't see that the logic that your point about Cancer awareness also shows that money is "little to do with it", and are very reluctant to admit this, shows me you think this is very important for LA. I'm pointing out to you that it doesn't square with your other remark.

But as for the money, it's peanuts compared to many global sports people. Jenson Button is one of the lowest paid drivers in F1 and got a 12 and half million pounds a year salary. LA doesn't get anything like what Tiger Woods gets, and so on.

 

[Hugh Januss]

Pretending to be stupid doesn't suit you.

Yeah, come on Dr. M who do you think you are, sprocket?

 

[Dr. Maserati]

Well, well done for stepping up, but that doesn't make any difference to the point. What he announced when coming back is nothing to do with the fact quiting would still have meant massive financial loss.

You may not have said he is solely in it for the money, but this has been the clear implication of many of your remarks on this and other threads, which is the same for many other posters. The fact you can't see that the logic that your point about Cancer awareness also shows that money is "little to do with it", and are very reluctant to admit this, shows me you think this is very important for LA. I'm pointing out to you that it doesn't square with your other remark.

But as for the money, it's peanuts compared to many global sports people. Jenson Button is one of the lowest paid drivers in F1 and got a 12 and half million pounds a year salary. LA doesn't get anything like what Tiger Woods gets, and so on.

A quick question - what did ARMSTRONG say was his primary motivation for returning to Pro Cycling?

Also Jenson Button took a £15million paycut - his annual salary with Honda has reduced to £3million as reported here.

 

[Sprocket01]

A quick question - what did ARMSTRONG say was his primary motivation for returning to Pro Cycling?

Which doesn't effect the point though!

Also Jenson Button took a £15million paycut - his annual salary with Honda has reduced to £3million as reported here.

Yes but I believe it went up again when they started winning races. He has just won the world championship so it will be £20 million plus next year.

Ferrari driver Kimi Raikkonen has an estimated salary of $51 million.

 

[Race Radio]

Well, well done for stepping up, but that doesn't make any difference to the point. What he announced when coming back is nothing to do with the fact quiting would still have meant massive financial loss.

You may not have said he is solely in it for the money, but this has been the clear implication of many of your remarks on this and other threads, which is the same for many other posters. The fact you can't see that the logic that your point about Cancer awareness also shows that money is "little to do with it", and are very reluctant to admit this, shows me you think this is very important for LA. I'm pointing out to you that it doesn't square with your other remark.

But as for the money, it's peanuts compared to many global sports people. Jenson Button is one of the lowest paid drivers in F1 and got a 12 and half million pounds a year salary. LA doesn't get anything like what Tiger Woods gets, and so on.

Armstrong grossed $30 million a year when he was riding. Taking a hit in the stock market and real estate, giving your wife $11 million in a divorce, endorsements slowing down when you are no longer in the public eye (except for when you date women who look like your mom) and the high cost of jet fuel. Lots of motivation to return and make some $$$$

 

[luckyboy]

Jenson Button is one of the lowest paid drivers in F1 and got a 12 and half million pounds a year salary

Button has never earned that much. He earned £8million a year at Honda.


The last time I read anything about Woods' salary, it was about $90million.

 

[Dr. Maserati]

Which doesn't effect the point though!
.

What was it you said earlier..... That's a dodge, tut tut.

So again what did Armstrong (not me or you) say his prime motivation was for returning to Pro Cycling?

 

[rata de sentina]

I am in awe of the patience displayed by Dr Maserati. Although the good Dr claims not to be a “real doctor” I suspect some health related experience. Dr M seems quite adept at dealing with illogical and irrational ravings. Dr M also shows an aptitude for dealing politely with a deluge of strawmen and red herrings. I would suggest that Dr M may be a professional counsellor or psychologist and therefore well equipped to deal with a train of thought that has gone off the rails.

 

[python]

you know rata some people just enjoy the process.

process first subject...

 

[Dr. Maserati]

I am in awe of the patience displayed by Dr Maserati. Although the good Dr claims not to be a “real doctor” I suspect some health related experience. Dr M seems quite adept at dealing with illogical and irrational ravings. Dr M also shows an aptitude for dealing politely with a deluge of strawmen and red herrings. I would suggest that Dr M may be a professional counsellor or psychologist and therefore well equipped to deal with a train of thought that has gone off the rails.

Lol............. most definitely not in the Medical field.

I enjoy debate, researching and learning, in particular anything cycling related. And Sproket is fun and for the mostpart avoids personal remarks and has brought up some interesting questions.

 

[Sprocket01]

I am in awe of the patience displayed by Dr Maserati. Although the good Dr claims not to be a “real doctor” I suspect some health related experience. Dr M seems quite adept at dealing with illogical and irrational ravings. Dr M also shows an aptitude for dealing politely with a deluge of strawmen and red herrings. I would suggest that Dr M may be a professional counsellor or psychologist and therefore well equipped to deal with a train of thought that has gone off the rails.

Rata, you've picked the wrong thread to be a Dr Maserati fanboy. It's me who had the patience here - he STILL pretends to not to understand what is a straightforward and obvious point, making me drag it out. I think he thinks it's pay back for me giving him the run around on a blood doping thread. Who knows.

I also doubt he has had a supportive PM tonight from someone going through cancer treatment. Believe or not, I did. Bit spooked by it to be honest. Hope you stay strong if you're reading this!

 

[red_flanders]

You could just as easily say JB's comments show LA was not concerned about the personal money. But you wouldn't say that.

Apparently you can (and have) quite easily said that. It doesn't do much but make you look foolish though, as the comments were explicitly about Contador. Without ambiguity.

 

[Sprocket01]

Always a bit embarrassing to attack someone just as they say something conciliatory sounding.

Well the Dr raises some good questions too. I do think about some of the stuff he says.

 

[Ferminal]

Always a bit embarrassing to attack someone just as they say something conciliatory sounding.

Bingo, at least you had the honesty to admit it

 

[red_flanders]

Always a bit embarrassing to attack someone just as they say something conciliatory sounding.

To which post are you referring?

 

[rata de sentina]

And Sproket is fun and for the mostpart avoids personal remarks and has brought up some interesting questions.

Well some people can gaze at an M.C. Escher drawing all day and not endure an intracerebral hemorrhage and that seems rather similar to a conversation with Sprocket. Speaking of which I note that Sprocket has now claimed the moral high ground and labelled you as a cancer lover justly reviled by cancer sufferers everywhere. Good luck with that....

 

[Sprocket01]

To which post are you referring?

I'm not talking about you, obviously.