Armstrong and Landis and Doping, Oh My!

[Barrus]

Wow, you couldn't post in one of the threads that concerned the testimony, but you really needed to dig up this thread.

Also what news outlets say that European authorities did not want to cooperate and which witnesses are recanting their stories?

 

[miloman]

I think you may have happend upon the wrong thread, this isn't a discussion on furniture refinishing, but it certainly looks like you have an occasion to be angry. If someone scratched my wood like that, I would be ticked too. I'm not a liar, I just posted the story, you can decide for yourself who the liar is. They say a picture is worth a thousand words, unfortunately, yours wasn't!

 

[Race Radio]

For everyone that doubted my posts and opinion and said justice will be served, this ones for you:

http://www.bikeradar.com/road/news/article/armstrong-associate-appears-before-grand-jury-27879

I'll say it again, it isn't going to stick. Several news services are already saying that European agencies are not cooperating with the investigation; witness are recanting their stories; witness that many said would change their stories aren't. I feel sorry for Landis, LeMond and the Andreu's; the only ones to benefit from this will be the lawyers. At least Greg got a settlement; Floyd won't collect a dime and by many considered a pariah; and Frankie and his wife are probably blackballed for life. I don't call that justice, do you? Oh, and what's more, we the American tax payers, get to pick up the tab. What a waste!!!

Do you have a link for these European Agencies refusing to co-operate? How about the recanting claim?

 

[miloman]

http://www.bloomberg.com/news/2010-...gation-may-stutter-in-europe-lawyers-say.html

Story about European investigation.

 

[Oldman]

For everyone that doubted my posts and opinion and said justice will be served, this ones for you:

http://www.bikeradar.com/road/news/article/armstrong-associate-appears-before-grand-jury-27879

I'll say it again, it isn't going to stick. Several news services are already saying that European agencies are not cooperating with the investigation; witness are recanting their stories; witness that many said would change their stories aren't. I feel sorry for Landis, LeMond and the Andreu's; the only ones to benefit from this will be the lawyers. At least Greg got a settlement; Floyd won't collect a dime and by many considered a pariah; and Frankie and his wife are probably blackballed for life. I don't call that justice, do you? Oh, and what's more, we the American tax payers, get to pick up the tab. What a waste!!!

There are a few Americans and one Irishwoman prepared to cooperate. Novitsky won't need much more.

 

[Race Radio]

http://www.bloomberg.com/news/2010-...gation-may-stutter-in-europe-lawyers-say.html

Story about European investigation.

Could you point out the part were "European agencies are not cooperating with the investigation"? Or was that just a lie you invented?

 

[Barrus]

http://www.bloomberg.com/news/2010-...gation-may-stutter-in-europe-lawyers-say.html

Story about European investigation.

This piece is nothing but conjecture by a lawyer, something we're quite good at I can say. This also solely concerns Spain and Britain. It also says what we all already knew, that states are not obliged to help another states, but can be requested to do so, at which point the domestic authorities look into the case. This really is nothing new and has been known since the start of the investigation. If you did not know this, nor ever thought about it, you really are beyond help concerning legal proceedings

Or as Race Radio said, so much shorter

Also still nothing about witnesses recanting their stories

 

[miloman]

A lie I invented with the help of Bloomberg news:

“It will be very difficult to get an arrest warrant” outside the U.S. because doping isn’t seen as a serious crime, Mel Goldberg, chairman of the British Association for Sport and Law, said from London. “They can always ask to talk to witnesses but there’s no legal obligation.”

About half of the cycling team’s staff was from Europe. U.S. investigators would require assistance from foreign judicial authorities to make progress, according to Rodrigo Garcia, a lawyer at Laffer Abogados in Madrid who represented three cyclists in a blood-doping investigation in Spain known as Operacion Puerto.

 

[Moose McKnuckles]

I think you may have happend upon the wrong thread, this isn't a discussion on furniture refinishing, but it certainly looks like you have an occasion to be angry. If someone scratched my wood like that, I would be ticked too. I'm not a liar, I just posted the story, you can decide for yourself who the liar is. They say a picture is worth a thousand words, unfortunately, yours wasn't!

It wasn't meant to be worth a thousand words. Just one to describe your continued efforts. Fail.

 

[Barrus]

I presume you did not read my post, as I already adressed everything you just said in this post

This piece is nothing but conjecture by a lawyer, something we're quite good at I can say. This also solely concerns Spain and Britain. It also says what we all already knew, that states are not obliged to help another states, but can be requested to do so, at which point the domestic authorities look into the case. This really is nothing new and has been known since the start of the investigation. If you did not know this, nor ever thought about it, you really are beyond help concerning legal proceedings

Or as Race Radio said, so much shorter

Also still nothing about witnesses recanting their stories

 

[Race Radio]

A lie I invented with the help of Bloomberg news:

“It will be very difficult to get an arrest warrant” outside the U.S. because doping isn’t seen as a serious crime, Mel Goldberg, chairman of the British Association for Sport and Law, said from London. “They can always ask to talk to witnesses but there’s no legal obligation.”

About half of the cycling team’s staff was from Europe. U.S. investigators would require assistance from foreign judicial authorities to make progress, according to Rodrigo Garcia, a lawyer at Laffer Abogados in Madrid who represented three cyclists in a blood-doping investigation in Spain known as Operacion Puerto.

Thanks for admitting you lied. There is nothing in there about any agency refusing to corporate.

Here is one agency that is willing
http://www.cyclingnews.com/news/bordry-prepared-to-hand-over-armstrongs-1999-tour-de-france-samples

INTERPOL is assisting as well
http://www.cyclingnews.com/news/investigation-into-landis-claims-widens-to-include-interpol

Now how about the people recanting statements? .......Or did you make that up as well

 

[Moose McKnuckles]

A lie I invented with the help of Bloomberg news:

“It will be very difficult to get an arrest warrant” outside the U.S. because doping isn’t seen as a serious crime, Mel Goldberg, chairman of the British Association for Sport and Law, said from London. “They can always ask to talk to witnesses but there’s no legal obligation.”

About half of the cycling team’s staff was from Europe. U.S. investigators would require assistance from foreign judicial authorities to make progress, according to Rodrigo Garcia, a lawyer at Laffer Abogados in Madrid who represented three cyclists in a blood-doping investigation in Spain known as Operacion Puerto.

LOL. Your argument is based on what a defense lawyer for cyclists involved in OP said? Hilarious. Glenn Beck uses better arguments than you do.

Another lying fanboy. Did Fabricati put you up to this crap?

 

[miloman]

Watch it play out and we will see who is right! I will bet that something significant happens before December.

 

[Barrus]

We, as you just admitted to lying, you yourself therefore already stated that your statements are wrong

 

[JPM London]

Milo - If I were you, I'd whip out the good old Chewbacca defence now... At least it works better and makes more sense than what else you're posting.

 

[Race Radio]

Watch it play out and we will see who is right! I will bet that something significant happens before December.

By "Something significant" do you mean an Armstrong indictment or a plea bargain?

 

[Anonymous]

Milo - If I were you, I'd whip out the good old Chewbacca defence now... At least it works better and makes more sense than what else you're posting.

I don't think he is astute enough to use the Chewbacca Defense.

 

[MacRoadie]

I'm still waiting for the list of recanting witnesses...

 

[miloman]

Connect the dots. You have somone saying in a published interview they "played with the hot sauce" and was shocked that when they left the team that the other teams didn't dope. Now he says he has no knowledge of what went on within the postal team, it was after his time. Really?

 

[Oldman]

Connect the dots. You have somone saying in a published interview they "played with the hot sauce" and was shocked that when they left the team that the other teams didn't dope. Now he says he has no knowledge of what went on within the postal team, it was after his time. Really?

What guy, what team, when? You're jumping around like Lance on crack.

 

[miloman]

You profess to follow this so closely, I'm surprised you don't recognize the quote and the scenerio. And really, do you need to resort to calling names? Do your research, He's a prominent ex-rider who is stilll involved in professional cycling and has a stake in what happens.

 

[python]

You profess to follow this so closely, I'm surprised you don't recognize the quote and the scenerio. And really, do you need to resort to calling names? Do your research, He's a prominent ex-rider who is stilll involved in professional cycling and has a stake in what happens.

i really hate to dog pile but since you went into the trouble of making the innuendos you need to be less cryptic for any credibility.

pls quit or provide solid sources for your outrageous claims.

 

[Polish]

By "Something significant" do you mean an Armstrong indictment or a plea bargain?

Or maybe Novitzky will be pulled off the case or "retire" from the FDA?

The special agent is already skating on thin ice for some of his actions taken during the MLB investigation.

 

[thehog]

i really hate to dog pile but since you went into the trouble of making the innuendos you need to be less cryptic for any credibility.

pls quit or provide solid sources for your outrageous claims.

He's talkin about JV. But he never actually said there was no doping at the time he was on the team. He said there was no doping to his knowledge when he wasn't on the team.

 

[miloman]

Between J. Vaughters and F. Andreu from the book "From Lance to Lanids"

VAUGHTERS: Anyhow, I can never quite figure out why I don't just play along with the Lance crowd. I mean sh-it it would make my life easier, Eh? It's not like I never played with hotsauce. Eh? ...

VAUGHTERS: Once I went to CA and saw that now not all the teams get 25 injections every day, I felt really guilty. Hell, CA was ZERO.

http://velonews.competitor.com/2010...he-tour-of-california-and-win-it-clean_117464

Velonews:

Asked if Landis’ statements were consistent with anything he might have witnessed during his tenure at Postal, Vaughters said, “Everything he’s talking about is well after my time with the team.