Armstrong and Landis and Doping, Oh My!

[Barrus]

Read the entire thread, it is a fluid discussion on a number of issues with numerous citations. You can't take one post out of context, you need to read them all to be informed.

Oh shut up, you even acknowledged some of those lies

 

[Race Radio]

This just in....... Marco Pantanti says he never saw Lance dope.

Next time lets at least try to post something relevant. George spilled the beans, Kevin folded like a cheap suit and Lim talked about pictures of refrigerated panniers. The Feds are having no problem getting what they need. To get samples overseas, prosecutors would merely have to file paperwork known as letters rogatory.

It is understandable that some would rather ignore the obvious but this will only lead to further embarrassment.

 

[Dr. Maserati]

Regarding Lance, I'm not privy to what has been asked or what documents were requested, if any. Are you?

Well when Lance was asked would he co-operate in a Federal investigation he said "absolutely" - but later Herman said they would not co-operate in a 'witch-hunt' back in May.

So - yes, I can say that Lance was not subpoenaed are called in front of a GJ at that time.

 

[miloman]

Wow, you really put me in my place! What's next "I'm rubber, your glue?" If you don't want to read the thread and be informed, just be HONEST and say so! Resorting to "shut up" is really childish.

 

[miloman]

This just in....... Marco Pantanti says he never saw Lance dope.

Next time lets at least try to post something relevant. George spilled the beans, Kevin folded like a cheap suit and Lim talked about pictures of refrigerated panniers. The Feds are having no problem getting what they need. To get samples overseas, prosecutors would merely have to file paperwork known as letters rogatory.

It is understandable that some would rather ignore the obvious but this will only lead to further embarrassment.

I haven't been able to find corroboration to what you posted. Where can I find it?

 

[mightymac12]

I haven't been able to find corroboration to what you posted. Where can I find it?

I am interested in this information as well.

 

[Barrus]

Wow, you really put me in my place! What's next "I'm rubber, your glue?" If you don't want to read the thread and be informed, just be HONEST and say so! Resorting to "shut up" is really childish.

I read the thread and had a similar discussion with you earlier, in which you came out of nowhere to revive the thread with lies, which you acknowledged were lies

 

[JRTinMA]

I haven't been able to find corroboration to what you posted. Where can I find it?

I want to see it as well.

 

[Hugh Januss]

I want to see it as well.

Oh I'm sure it's in all the papers especially since it is nothing that LA's side would want leaked and the other side doesn't do leaks so much. All you can do is consider the source, if it was hog, well then ........... but RR has shown an access to a lot of info that later turns out to be scarily accurate.
You can choose to believe or not whatever you want, but expecting corroboration in print of closed door testimony at this point in the game is a little silly.

 

[Protein]

I want to see it as well.

I agree. People shouldn't make claims of having inside info without either backing it up or revealing their own identity. Otherwise it's a licence for trolling.

 

[miloman]

A broken clock is accurate twice a day! I have never made such a scurrilous remark and got a pass. I cite something and someone takes it out of context, they tell me to "shut up", call me a liar and continue to do so in hopes that by saying it enough it will stick, regardless of the facts.

No, I want proof! I want the document or the link. If you are a Senior Member, I think you have an obligation. We need to all play by same rules! Who is with me?

 

[Dr. Maserati]

I agree. People shouldn't make claims of having inside info without either backing it up or revealing their own identity. Otherwise it's a licence for trolling.

Trolling was what BPC used to do

 

[Dr. Maserati]

A broken clock is accurate twice a day! I have never made such a scurrilous remark and got a pass. I cite something and someone takes it out of context, they tell me to "shut up", call me a liar and continue to do so in hopes that by saying it enough it will stick, regardless of the facts.

No, I want proof! I want the document or the link. If you are a Senior Member, I think you have an obligation. We need to all play by same rules! Who is with me?

Great -tell us who you are in 5000 words or less and post some photos to get things rolling.

 

[Benotti69]

Great -tell us who you are in 5000 words or less and post some photos to get things rolling.

are you sure you didn't leave a 'T' out of that

 

[miloman]

Great -tell us who you are in 5000 words or less and post some photos to get things rolling.

I finally figured it out. You really aren't here to add anything, just run interference. What you wrote doesn't even pertain to my pervious post. I still want the proof!

 

[Hugh Januss]

A broken clock is accurate twice a day! I have never made such a scurrilous remark and got a pass. I cite something and someone takes it out of context, they tell me to "shut up", call me a liar and continue to do so in hopes that by saying it enough it will stick, regardless of the facts.

No, I want proof! I want the document or the link. If you are a Senior Member, I think you have an obligation. We need to all play by same rules! Who is with me?

I'll bet Mr. ballPOLISHer is firmly behind you.

 

[avanti]

We're off to see the wizard, the wonderful wizard of OZ. As if even he -- prosecutor and special agent Jeff Novitzky of the Food and Drug Administration -- can really make any sense of this mess. What's the cost to the US taxpayer? What will it solve? There's an old saying, "...do you want to be right, or do you want to be happy? Certainly there is plenty of evidence to suggest that something questionable, if not illegal took place in the rank and file of the U. S. Postal/Discovery Team, but is it worth all the time, money and effort, so a few people can say I told you so?
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What matters to some public prosecuters is making a name for themselves in a big case - if they win they get glory and background for future elections - if they lose the case is forgotton and they look for a new case to pursue.

 

[JRTinMA]

Oh I'm sure it's in all the papers especially since it is nothing that LA's side would want leaked and the other side doesn't do leaks so much. All you can do is consider the source, if it was hog, well then ........... but RR has shown an access to a lot of info that later turns out to be scarily accurate.
You can choose to believe or not whatever you want, but expecting corroboration in print of closed door testimony at this point in the game is a little silly.

I think you get my point, we certainly differ on the contributions of RR but its a forum, so its open to all. I find it odd a poster is chastised for what was a loose interpretation of story and a so called insiders opinion provided with no back up goes uncontested. I don't care what RR says, its a forum and I suspect he's held in high regard here, for what thats worth. I have a problem with his unsubstantiated opinion (no links beyond what we all read) and a moderator that was out of line in a forum filled with BS. It stinks of self interest and mob rule. I know its hard to believe but mob rule makes for a really boring forum.

 

[Rupert]

Real or rhetoric?

George spilled the beans,
Kevin folded like a cheap suit and
Lim talked about pictures of refrigerated panniers.

If these are things that really happened I'd really like to know more. Or is this just rhetorical trash talk? I haven't seen anything about what George had to say, or even for sure that he spoke to anyone; and nothing about Kevin Livingston or Alan Lim's testimony, only that they were scheduled to appear. I would really like to know if there is anything to these statements. ANd if this really reflects some access to inside information just say as much.

 

[Race Radio]

My source is Jeff Novitzky of course.

You see a made a "Donation" to buy a new coffee maker for the Federal prosecutors office. This was a very special coffee maker that cost $50...err, $75.....um maybe it was $200. The recipient is on file at the DA's office and you are allowed to go view, but not make copies, of the recipient. I may have made a second "Donation" for a donut maker but I can seem to remember the details of that.

 

[Rupert]

Trash talk

So the answer is, rhetorical trash talk. Nothing of substance here...

 

[scribe]

I think you get my point, we certainly differ on the contributions of RR but its a forum, so its open to all. I find it odd a poster is chastised for what was a loose interpretation of story and a so called insiders opinion provided with no back up goes uncontested. I don't care what RR says, its a forum and I suspect he's held in high regard here, for what thats worth. I have a problem with his unsubstantiated opinion (no links beyond what we all read) and a moderator that was out of line in a forum filled with BS. It stinks of self interest and mob rule. I know its hard to believe but mob rule makes for a really boring forum.

RR has a long history of providing accurate inside information AND lending complete embellishments of mistruth designed to get a reaction as if armstrong's handlers are actually looking in at the forum.

It's best to read his work as satirical fiction until proven otherwise. I wouldnt wait for mod assistence with that, as he totally gets a free pass from the administrators of the forum.

 

[JRTinMA]

So the answer is, rhetorical trash talk. Nothing of substance here...

I think its safe to say that what you read is a misdirection, its often employed by BS artists and sometimes referred to as gas lighting. The only thing you can take from that post is he may get coffee and doughnuts for some people who may know something.

 

[Race Radio]

RR has a long history of providing accurate inside information AND lending complete embellishments of mistruth designed to get a reaction as if armstrong's handlers are actually looking in at the forum.

It's best to read his work as satirical fiction until proven otherwise. I wouldnt wait for mod assistence with that, as he totally gets a free pass from the administrators of the forum.

Do you have an example or are you embellishing?

 

[Hugh Januss]

RR has a long history of providing accurate inside information AND lending complete embellishments of mistruth designed to get a reaction as if armstrong's handlers are actually looking in at the forum.

It's best to read his work as satirical fiction until proven otherwise. I wouldnt wait for mod assistence with that, as he totally gets a free pass from the administrators of the forum.

As I said you can believe as much or as little as you like. Who cares?