Armstrong to send $250,000 to Hati

[Ninety5rpm]

He was (and to my knowledge still remains) one of the greatest proponents of the US led invasion of Iraq, an illegal and unneccesary war fought under false pretenses which has to date resulted in the deaths of half a million Iraqis (although some estimates are much higher). I've heard him defend the invasion as recently as 2008, and it was still as balls to the wall unapologetic and lacking any concern for the humanitarian crisis that it caused.

All that is true, and I disagree with him about that, but that view is hardly "radical" or "fundamentalist". I don't know if you've actually read his argument, but it's probably the best defense of the war there is. Still not compelling to me, but there it is.

Also it is pretty radical (although not unique to him) to claim that religion represents the greatest moral evil to society.

He does not say that religion represents the greatest moral evil. But he is one of the more visible modern-day advocates of the idea that religion is evil and immoral, but that notion is centuries old, and is hardly radical.

And also to write petty critiques of certain figures like the Blessed Teresa (which you have already referred to) who has provided aid, both medical and spiritual to some of the most downtrodden and abandoned people in the world, and has been a positive force in the lives of millions of people. The Blessed Teresa touched far more lives in one day of her work, than Hitchens' books or columns for Vanity Fair or Slate has done in his lifetime so far.

Are you aware that Hitchens has written an entire book about her, The Missionary Position. That's hardly a "petty critique".

Okay, I'm biased, i thoroughly dislike the man, but what does he expect when he writes a book called How Religion Poisons Everything.

Do you judge all books by their covers? Or just this one? (I'd be shocked and quite pleased if you actually read it).

 

[auscyclefan94]

While it is a gracious gesture, why not donate the likely $1 million dollar appearance fee that he is likely getting from the TDU?

Totally agree... It is not really his own money because I think it is Livestrong's money

 

[Ninety5rpm]

Totally agree... It is not really his own money because I think it is Livestrong's money

WHY does everyone thinks this?

Do you really not know what "on behalf of" means???

It's Armstrong's PERSONAL money, donated ON BEHALF of his foundation.

That means HE is giving HIS personal money, but the foundation gets the credit.

 

[Nick777]

He was (and to my knowledge still remains) one of the greatest proponents of the US led invasion of Iraq, an illegal and unneccesary war fought under false pretenses which has to date resulted in the deaths of half a million Iraqis (although some estimates are much higher). I've heard him defend the invasion as recently as 2008, and it was still as balls to the wall unapologetic and lacking any concern for the humanitarian crisis that it caused.

Also it is pretty radical (although not unique to him) to claim that religion represents the greatest moral evil to society. And also to write petty critiques of certain figures like the Blessed Teresa (which you have already referred to) who has provided aid, both medical and spiritual to some of the most downtrodden and abandoned people in the world, and has been a positive force in the lives of millions of people. The Blessed Teresa touched far more lives in one day of her work, than Hitchens' books or columns for Vanity Fair or Slate has done in his lifetime so far.

Okay, I'm biased, i thoroughly dislike the man, but what does he expect when he writes a book called How Religion Poisons Everything.

So nearly as many as Saddam inflicted..?

 

[ChrisE]

Totally agree... It is not really his own money because I think it is Livestrong's money

Cmon ausie, he said it was donated on behald of Livestrong. I know English is your first language so cut the crap, although your English has a farked up accent.

Let's put this in perspective so this belittlement will stop. You know what $250k could buy, assuming a snapshot in time vs the Euro or English pound? I preface this by saying it will buy less tomorrow. It would've been more useful if he would have donated Euros, but I digress.

You could buy a Ferrari (no pun intended), a condo in Grand Cayman, a wild week or two at a strip club, maybe even a few Rolexes.

That's alot more than any of us can imagine, yet there is criticism. I'm disgusted about this criticism as much as anybody, along with the non-preventive praying. I think I will get drunk tonite.

 

[Moondance]

All that is true, and I disagree with him about that, but that view is hardly "radical" or "fundamentalist". I don't know if you've actually read his argument, but it's probably the best defense of the war there is. Still not compelling to me, but there it is.

Do you judge all books by their covers? Or just this one? (I'd be shocked and yet pleased if you actually read it).

I have actually read God is not Great. I find it filled with distortions, half-truths and critiques that basically work if it had been written in the 16th century, but hardly apply in today's world.

It does, however, have some very good points that I could not for the life of me argue against, expect to say that while it might cause atheists to nod and say "gee, isn't he right", it will have next to no effect on any believer practically or philosophically. Probably because he rather than objection to religious practice as a whole, he mainly focues on singling out half a dozen or so objections to individual specific religions and hopes that the weight of that bundle will make his overall case. To me I couldn't care less about his (I assume accurate) objections to Catholicism, Shi'a Islam, Judaism or certain Hindu practices, since I am none of those; it's one of cute things about the sectarianism he likes to harp on about in all the 'B'-cities in Ch. 2.

To illustrate my previous point, take his chapter on Abrahamic restrictions on pork (to take his most trivial and least 'profound' argument). It's essentially flawless in its reasoning, however meaningless to me since I had bacon and eggs this morning, and poor Leviticus never even crossed my mind.

Also I called his ciritiques of the Blessed Mother Teresa petty, since if you look at his book, which I have also read, you'd think that the most important thing that she ever did was write a letter on behalf of Charles Keating, rather than the thousands she saved and the millions she inspired, but oh well...

 

[Moondance]

So nearly as many as Saddam inflicted..?

And two wrongs make a right?

 

[Oncearunner8]

Cmon ausie, he said it was donated on behald of Livestrong. I know English is your first language so cut the crap, although your English has a farked up accent.

Let's put this in perspective so this belittlement will stop. You know what $250k could buy, assuming a snapshot in time vs the Euro or English pound? I preface this by saying it will buy less tomorrow. It would've been more useful if he would have donated Euros, but I digress.

You could buy a Ferrari (no pun intended), a condo in Grand Cayman, a wild week or two at a strip club, maybe even a few Rolexes.

That's alot more than any of us can imagine, yet there is criticism. I'm disgusted about this criticism as much as anybody, along with the non-preventive praying. I think I will get drunk tonite.

I hate to band wagon your wet dream but I think MOONBAT / whatever actualy beLEABES his on ****???????????? wtf ....

the toranado puts his 250 grande up and he is put down....... You have to think there must be some pussy cats / red robsters out there to take over?

In my opinion you must buy more 1 dollero baller bandssssssss. in yellow ok?

hey wtf .....

praise the lordzz or what the ****?

 

[Oncearunner8]

Cmon ausie, he said it was donated on behald of Livestrong. I know English is your first language so cut the crap, although your English has a farked up accent.

Let's put this in perspective so this belittlement will stop. You know what $250k could buy, assuming a snapshot in time vs the Euro or English pound? I preface this by saying it will buy less tomorrow. It would've been more useful if he would have donated Euros, but I digress.

You could buy a Ferrari (no pun intended), a condo in Grand Cayman, a wild week or two at a strip club, maybe even a few Rolexes.

That's alot more than any of us can imagine, yet there is criticism. I'm disgusted about this criticism as much as anybody, along with the non-preventive praying. I think I will get drunk tonite.

Imagetttting drunk now.. wtffffffffff****

 

[fatandfast]

I am sure that a parent looking for their child in a collapsed building doesn't care where the money and help is coming from neither should we.

 

[Nick777]

And two wrongs make a right?

Sometimes, in the real world.

 

[Oncearunner8]

I am sure that a parent looking for their child in a collapsed building doesn't care where the money and help is coming from neither should we.

I hear you.

who gives a rats *** if the help is coming from a fat azz who is fast as long as they get that sawzaw out and make it happen.

buy some yellow bandzzz and suck on some titzzzz

 

[Oncearunner8]

Sometimes, in the real world.

i HEAR YA.

"SOME KITTENS IN A OVEN DON'T MAKEM BISCUTTS. "

TEH HALEP THE PEOPLES OF THE HATIA BEKAUS TEH NEEDS IS IT.

 

[Moondance]

Sometimes, in the real world.

It must be nice to be able to rationalize atrocities like that. But who then is the arbitrator who can permit war crimes to stop war crimes? Because I'm sure that Palestinian or Tamil suicide bombers were filled with potentially justifiable anger against Israeli/Sinhalese war crimes when they attacked and killed innocent civilians.

 

[Nick777]

It must be nice to be able to rationalize atrocities like that. But who then is the arbitrator who can permit war crimes to stop war crimes? Because I'm sure that Palestinian or Tamil suicide bombers were filled with potentially justifiable anger against Israeli/Sinhalese war crimes when they attacked and killed innocent civilians.

Calm down, sunshine.

 

[Moondance]

Calm down, sunshine.

Thanks for the advice. How nice and patronizing of you

 

[ChrisE]

i HEAR YA.

"SOME KITTENS IN A OVEN DON'T MAKEM BISCUTTS. "

TEH HALEP THE PEOPLES OF THE HATIA BEKAUS TEH NEEDS IS IT.

WTF?

I tried to wash this thru babelfish but they didn't have "painthuffer" as an option on the "from" language.

 

[Ninety5rpm]

Oops, it's quite clear that it's LIVESTRONG that is donating the money, not Lance Armstrong personally.

LIVESTRONG is pledging $250,000 in humanitarian aid...

http://livestrongblog.org/2010/01/13/livestrong-pledges-250000-to-haitian-relief-efforts/

 

[Highlander]

I just clicked on this thread and went to the last page and I have absolutely no idea what anyone is talking about. I'm not sure how any of this relates to money given to help the people of Haiti or what anyone of it really has to do with a cycling forum.

 

[ChrisE]

I just clicked on this thread and went to the last page and I have absolutely no idea what anyone is talking about. I'm not sure how any of this relates to money given to help the people of Haiti or what anyone of it really has to do with a cycling forum.

Well then maybe you should read it from the start instead of whining with your last page clicking ignorant dumba$$.

Here's something that needs some insight; maybe you can help:

http://www.cbsnews.com/blogs/2010/01/13/crimesider/entry6092717.shtml

This goes back to my earlier grief. If Pat Robertson knew they made a devil's pact with France 200 years ago, where has all the preemptive praying been to cleanse this EQ-in-waiting all these years?

Now, the realization that LA didn't donate his personal money just really ****es us off even more.

 

[Nick777]

Thanks for the advice. How nice and patronizing of you

Any time. People like you are easy to wind up - it's like a sport.

 

[Deagol]

It must be nice to be able to rationalize atrocities like that. But who then is the arbitrator who can permit war crimes to stop war crimes? .

I know this is wayyyyy off-topic, but

Isn't there plenty of this type of thing in the Bible (an eye for an eye, and all that)

It's also nice to cherry-pick what you decide to believe and ignore the rest from a book like that (i.e. the "pork" thing). Just saying, since you started the point about "rationalizing" and the irony of that is not lost on some.

 

[Hugh Januss]

I just clicked on this thread and went to the last page and I have absolutely no idea what anyone is talking about. I'm not sure how any of this relates to money given to help the people of Haiti or what anyone of it really has to do with a cycling forum.

OK not the most clever post I've seen, but let me try to fill you in on some of the findings.

1) Lance is either a great humanitarian who has dug deep into his own pockets to help those who are in need, or a douche who steals money that people have donated to fight cancer in order to make a show of helping people in need.

2) Apparently some times 2 wrongs do make a right particularly if you are wiping out thousands of innocent people in order to prevent a despot from wiping out thousands of innocent people. As long as you are in the "real world".

3) It is possible to be anti-religion but in favor of a war which is largely a religious war.

4) SOME KITTENS IN A OVEN DON'T MAKEM BISCUTTS

5) ChrisE plans on getting drunk a little later on, and wishes the other forum members would not pick on Lance so much.

6) Oncearunner is getting drunk as we speak and struggles with English as a first language.

7)Moondance needs to calm down, and Nick shouldn't be so patronizing.

I think those are most of the important points that have been raised here, although I may have missed 1 or 2 as I did nod off a couple times while reading the thread myself. In the future please try to get yourself up to speed before jumping in, I can't spend time doing all this research every time.

 

[Ferminal]

OK not the most clever post I've seen, but let me try to fill you in on some of the findings.

1) Lance is either a great humanitarian who has dug deep into his own pockets to help those who are in need, or a douche who steals money that people have donated to fight cancer in order to make a show of helping people in need.

2) Apparently some times 2 wrongs do make a right particularly if you are wiping out thousands of innocent people in order to prevent a despot from wiping out thousands of innocent people. As long as you are in the "real world".

3) It is possible to be anti-religion but in favor of a war which is largely a religious war.

4) SOME KITTENS IN A OVEN DON'T MAKEM BISCUTTS

5) ChrisE plans on getting drunk a little later on, and wishes the other forum members would not pick on Lance so much.

6) Oncearunner is getting drunk as we speak and struggles with English as a first language.

7)Moondance needs to calm down, and Nick shouldn't be so patronizing.

I think those are most of the important points that have been raised here, although I may have missed 1 or 2 as I did nod off a couple times while reading the thread myself. In the future please try to get yourself up to speed before jumping in, I can't spend time doing all this research every time.

I think we can all agree with this post.

 

[Ninety5rpm]

OK not the most clever post I've seen, but let me try to fill you in on some of the findings.

1) Lance is either a great humanitarian who has dug deep into his own pockets to help those who are in need, or a douche who steals money that people have donated to fight cancer in order to make a show of helping people in need.

2) Apparently some times 2 wrongs do make a right particularly if you are wiping out thousands of innocent people in order to prevent a despot from wiping out thousands of innocent people. As long as you are in the "real world".

3) It is possible to be anti-religion but in favor of a war which is largely a religious war.

4) SOME KITTENS IN A OVEN DON'T MAKEM BISCUTTS

5) ChrisE plans on getting drunk a little later on, and wishes the other forum members would not pick on Lance so much.

6) Oncearunner is getting drunk as we speak and struggles with English as a first language.

7)Moondance needs to calm down, and Nick shouldn't be so patronizing.

I think those are most of the important points that have been raised here, although I may have missed 1 or 2 as I did nod off a couple times while reading the thread myself. In the future please try to get yourself up to speed before jumping in, I can't spend time doing all this research every time.

LOL!

You forgot: Ninety5rpm is never sober.