Article - The true heir to Lance emerges: Schleck rising as Contador tests positive

[Oldman]

Funny. Thing is, the clenbuterol isn't necessarily the smoking gun here. This is:

"A new test used for the first time at the Tour de France this year found traces of a specific type of chemical, called a plasticizer, that is found in plastic IV bags.

Alberto Contador's test found levels of that chemical eight times higher than the minimum amount that signifies doping, it added.

Evidence of that chemical in an athlete's urine could mean he or she has used a blood transfusion from a plastic IV bag to boost endurance."

The proof is just too overwhelming for AC unfortunately.

And if they retroactively tested LA's blood from this year's Tour they'd find none of that! Why? Because he was clean and showed it. Test last year's samples for fun and games.

 

[Hugh Januss]

Funny. Thing is, the clenbuterol isn't necessarily the smoking gun here. This is:

"A new test used for the first time at the Tour de France this year found traces of a specific type of chemical, called a plasticizer, that is found in plastic IV bags.

Alberto Contador's test found levels of that chemical eight times higher than the minimum amount that signifies doping, it added.

Evidence of that chemical in an athlete's urine could mean he or she has used a blood transfusion from a plastic IV bag to boost endurance."

The proof is just too overwhelming for AC unfortunately.

Again you seem to be leaving out some details

Segura said that he had no idea that his method for detecting plasticisers had been used by the laboratory in Cologne to test Contador's samples from the Tour. "Nobody has officially notified us that it has been used," Segura confirms. "I don't understand how it can be that they haven't been in contact with the people who developed the test, especially as it is being used in such high-profile case."

Segura said that although the test for di-phthalate plasticizers has yet to be formally sanctioned by the World Anti-Doping Agency (WADA), the method is valid.

It sounds to me like he will get off on the same sort of technicallity that your boy Lance did with the '99 EPO positive. At least with regard to the plasticizers test.

 

[flicker]

And if they retroactively tested LA's blood from this year's Tour they'd find none of that! Why? Because he was clean and showed it. Test last year's samples for fun and games.

I am curious. What was Lance down by this year 45 minutes. Obviously he gave up 15 minutes so that he could be unchased and gain a victory. So That would put him 30 minutes down on Contador this year. Last year he was down 7 minutes (for 3rd place) That means if he was fully charged last year that makes him 21 minutes faster doped. It doesn't make sense to me.

 

[Oldman]

I am curious. What was Lance down by this year 45 minutes. Obviously he gave up 15 minutes so that he could be unchased and gain a victory. So That would put him 30 minutes down on Contador this year. Last year he was down 7 minutes (for 3rd place) That means if he was fully charged last year that makes him 21 minutes faster doped. It doesn't make sense to me.

He was 7 minutes down as an alleged teammate and supporter of Contador last year. We know he was conflicted in that role and probably tried his hardest but he's older, didn't race enough and thought he and Ferrari had a better program-too much hubris.
Why he raced last year and this doesn't make sense. He might not be hip deep in Texas steer doo if he stayed retired.

 

[SilentAssassin]

When Contador is banned he could probably actually make good money in selling a trendy line of sports steaks. Maybe create his own sports drink, and call it 'Blood Bag' or 'TransfusionX' - Just saying.

 

[flicker]

He was 7 minutes down as an alleged teammate and supporter of Contador last year. We know he was conflicted in that role and probably tried his hardest but he's older, didn't race enough and thought he and Ferrari had a better program-too much hubris.
Why he raced last year and this doesn't make sense. He might not be hip deep in Texas steer doo if he stayed retired.

It is weird. He must have raced this year to keep his sponsors happy. Plus his sociopathic tendencies overcoming his better judgement.

Lance really did impress me in '09 though. I saw who he beat and just said WOW!

 

[flicker]

When Contador is banned he could probably actually make good money in selling a trendy line of sports steaks. Maybe create his own sports drink, and call it 'Blood Bag' or 'TransfusionX' - Just saying.

I really do not know why they do not have an cyclist uber doper catagory for ultra hard uphill time trials in the X-GAMES. Contador, Ricco, Pelozotti for instance. One of the energy drink companies like RED BULL could sponsor riders. Or of course the "Energy Supplement" viles I see them sell at the quick stop markets. The ones they sell in the truck stops in Texas would give a ban.

 

[sartain]

livestrong is the most tested human being in the history of the galaxy and never tested positive to anything except large traces of VICTORY

Actually, your comment is a bit off the mark . . . buy a long shot. You can go here and see just how little SirLance-NotaLot has been tested by the USADA:

http://www.usada.org/athlete-test-history#Cycling

22 times is the magic number in total USA tests from 2000-2010, making him one of the least tested big name athletes in any sport and certainly in cycling, where GH, LL, CVV and DZ have all been tested more times than LA.

If you factor in the ROW tests, it looks like somewhere between another 60-100 tests has been done on him as some of the fine probing minds on The Clinic have pointed out. You can read all about it on the "22 Tests" thread.

http://forum.cyclingnews.com/showthread.php?t=9953

But please be my guest and keep on drinking the Public Strategies Kool-Aid, and masturbating with your live-wrong yellow band. And after you are done, I will be happy to introduce you the tooth fairy.

 

[flicker]

Actually, your comment is a bit off the mark . . . buy a long shot. You can go here and see just how little SirLance-NotaLot has been tested by the USADA:

http://www.usada.org/athlete-test-history#Cycling

22 times is the magic number in total USA tests from 2000-2010, making him one of the least tested big name athletes in any sport and certainly in cycling, where GH, LL, CVV and DZ have all been tested more times than LA.

If you factor in the ROW tests, it looks like somewhere between another 60-100 tests has been done on him as some of the fine probing minds on The Clinic have pointed out. You can read all about it on the "22 Tests" thread.

http://forum.cyclingnews.com/showthread.php?t=9953

But please be my guest and keep on drinking the Public Strategies Kool-Aid, and masturbating with your live-wrong yellow band. And after you are done, I will be happy to introduce you the tooth fairy.

Lance is a pure un-adulterated champion. If you would like to live in the ugly hate filled lonelieness of the haters be my guest.

 

[flicker]

Back on topic, the true up and coming champions are Ben King, Andy Schleck, Taylor Phinney, Wiggo, Gesink. These are clean sportsman who will fullfill their sponsors obligations.

 

[sartain]

Lance is a pure un-adulterated champion. If you would like to live in the ugly hate filled lonelieness of the haters be my guest.

Man, I guess those number really must have struck a nerve with you, Flicker?

I think I can go out on a limb here and say that most of us on The Clinic choose NOT to view life through rose colored classes, but instead prefer to wake each morning and wash the sleep from our eyes and see the world for what it is, and not for what a bunch of overpriced spin-doctors & other assorted maggots would like us believe — all so they can keep the myth alive while they take their cut of the pie on the back end.

I don't need to be standing in manure up to my eyes to know that it stinks, I can usually smell it from a mile down wind. As for my "hate filled loneliness" . . . well, I will take that any day over being delusional, starry-eyed fanboy.

 

[Wallace]

Back on topic, the true up and coming champions are Ben King, Andy Schleck, Taylor Phinney, Wiggo, Gesink. These are clean sportsman who will fullfill their sponsors obligations.

Absolutely. Until they get caught.

 

[flicker]

Absolutely. Until they get caught.

I respect you as you understand the sport. In this sport you want to support the riders who make the sport look good and attractive to fans and sponsors.
I have always felt that Alberto is lacking in that respect.
For the Lance haters out there I am wondering how much experience you have in cycling ie.(Riding a bike, racing, sportif riding, recreational/exercise cycling, participating in sport with family members,having, kids who ride how long watching the sport etc. do you live alone etc. etc.)

 

[Hangdog98]

For the Lance haters out there I am wondering how much experience you have in cycling ie.... do you live alone etc. etc.)

Now that's funny. I had a good chuckle to that one.

I have to say that it does seem implausible for so many to suggest that a particular athlete is a doper despite not having been caught/banned/sanctioned in an environment where dozens and dozens of other very high profile athletes have been caught/banned/sanctioned.

The only option that one has left is to go down the conspiracy route. If you say Lance Armstrong backwards does it sound like "Illuminati"? Is GW behind this one too?

I don't know, I'm just not buying it. I can't believe that LA could have successfully dodged the same authorities that have busted so many TdF stage winners over the last decade. He can't have avoided detection for this long. He can't have kept that many people quiet for this long (Crazy Phloyd notwithstanding). He can't be that far ahead of the game, particularly that far ahead of his recent team mates who are going down while he stays untouched. It's time to let go.

 

[flicker]

Now that's funny. I had a good chuckle to that one.

I have to say that it does seem implausible for so many to suggest that a particular athlete is a doper despite not having been caught/banned/sanctioned in an environment where dozens and dozens of other very high profile athletes have been caught/banned/sanctioned.

The only option that one has left is to go down the conspiracy route. If you say Lance Armstrong backwards does it sound like "Illuminati"? Is GW behind this one too?

I don't know, I'm just not buying it. I can't believe that LA could have successfully dodged the same authorities that have busted so many TdF stage winners over the last decade. He can't have avoided detection for this long. He can't have kept that many people quiet for this long (Crazy Phloyd notwithstanding). He can't be that far ahead of the game, particularly that far ahead of his recent team mates who are going down while he stays untouched. It's time to let go.

Lance is amazing. No matter what to be under the magnifying glass for as long as he has been with his persona, the guy is unreal I love him. my family talks about him all the time it is like he is right here.

 

[HoustonHammer]

For the Lance haters out there I am wondering how much experience you have in cycling ie.(Riding a bike, racing, sportif riding, recreational/exercise cycling, participating in sport with family members,having, kids who ride how long watching the sport etc. do you live alone etc. etc.)

That's an interesting question, but I wonder why you ask it. I'm in Houston, about 250km down the road from Lance's home, and the average office guy would swear up and down that Lance is Mr. Clean. Among racers, though, it's a totally different story. I don't think I know a single racer here who thinks Lance rode clean. It's actually kind of a joke on my team that if somebody is riding a high cadence they must be trying to hide something.

What would you expect?

 

[flicker]

That's an interesting question, but I wonder why you ask it. I'm in Houston, about 250km down the road from Lance's home, and the average office guy would swear up and down that Lance is Mr. Clean. Among racers, though, it's a totally different story. I don't think I know a single racer here who thinks Lance rode clean. It's actually kind of a joke on my team that if somebody is riding a high cadence they must be trying to hide something.

What would you expect?

Well where I come from it is speak no evil and kill the messenger.

People who are true cyclists don't need to discuss Mr. Armstrongs' personal habits. That is who I hang out with.

 

[flicker]

High cadence is an effective tool in the mountains. Now why couldn't Jan have thought of that?

 

[Hugh Januss]

Now that's funny. I had a good chuckle to that one.

I have to say that it does seem implausible for so many to suggest that a particular athlete is a doper despite not having been caught/banned/sanctioned in an environment where dozens and dozens of other very high profile athletes have been caught/banned/sanctioned.

The only option that one has left is to go down the conspiracy route. If you say Lance Armstrong backwards does it sound like "Illuminati"? Is GW behind this one too?

I don't know, I'm just not buying it. I can't believe that LA could have successfully dodged the same authorities that have busted so many TdF stage winners over the last decade. He can't have avoided detection for this long. He can't have kept that many people quiet for this long (Crazy Phloyd notwithstanding). He can't be that far ahead of the game, particularly that far ahead of his recent team mates who are going down while he stays untouched. It's time to let go.

Generally at this point I would post some sort of funny FAIL pic or something like that. Something that I am sure you have seen in several of your other incarnations here. I no longer have the strength however, so I will simply ask a question. Are you being paid to post here or are you a simpleton? I just can not imagine anyone with an IQ higher than their body temp. being able to seriously post what you just posted after reading the links that are available here. One would have to be blessed with incredible powers of self delusion to be able to swallow the stuff you are spooning out here. I don't even think Flicker believes most of it (although he will now try to claim he did all along) and no sane person could.

BTW In answer to your last point (?) he didn't dodge anybody, he paid off anyone who might make things hard for him. I just wonder if somewhere in his tax returns he didn't write that off as a business expense.

 

[flicker]

BTW In answer to your last point (?) he didn't dodge anybody, he paid off anyone who might make things hard for him. I just wonder if somewhere in his tax returns he didn't write that off as a business expense.
__________________Sorry big kitty. This is not about Saxobank and Bjarne Ris

You are off topic. (Classic Face PalM)

 

[Hugh Januss]

BTW In answer to your last point (?) he didn't dodge anybody, he paid off anyone who might make things hard for him. I just wonder if somewhere in his tax returns he didn't write that off as a business expense.
__________________Sorry big kitty. This is not about Saxobank and Bjarne Ris

You are off topic. (Classic Face PalM)

I am gonna have to give you a dual fail, first for poor quote mechanics and secondly for a complete miss at attempted deflection. But still, good try and thanks for playing.

 

[flicker]

I am gonna have to give you a dual fail, first for poor quote mechanics and secondly for a complete miss at attempted deflection. But still, good try and thanks for playing.

Sorry. When you were speaking of grifters I was sure you were speaking about Bjarne, my bad.

 

[HoustonHammer]

Well where I come from it is speak no evil and kill the messenger.

People who are true cyclists don't need to discuss Mr. Armstrongs' personal habits. That is who I hang out with.

I don't recall reading any discussion of his personal habits in these forums. The topic has always been whether or not he doped.

I'm curious about what you think defines a 'true cyclist'. Hopefully it's not riding recumbents in the park on Saturday afternoons.

 

[flicker]

I don't recall reading any discussion of his personal habits in these forums. The topic has always been whether or not he doped.

I'm curious about what you think defines a 'true cyclist'. Hopefully it's not riding recumbents in the park on Saturday afternoons.

sorry I was making joke. By personal habits of course I meant doping as well. Over in california I am always looking to see who the Lance fans are. Usually long time hardcore ex riders and guys who race. I do not know any office types. The super EQ Livestrong bling types are mighty clueless.

 

[HoustonHammer]

sorry I was making joke. By personal habits of course I meant doping as well. Over in california I am always looking to see who the Lance fans are. Usually long time hardcore ex riders and guys who race. I do not know any office types. The super EQ Livestrong bling types are mighty clueless.

OK. One point of clarification I should have made is that while racers here think he doped throughout his career, he remains a pretty popular guy. Guys like the fact that he won, regardless of how he did it. And as you might guess, anybody who pokes a stick in the eyes of the French as many times as Lance did is bound to be popular among Texans.