Article - The true heir to Lance emerges: Schleck rising as Contador tests positive

[Mach Schnell]

I just want to ride my bike and drink beer.
Sometimes at the same time.

 

[SilentAssassin]

You are correct as far as the champion goes. However Alberto looks to be caught red handed thusly will most likely be relegated.
I just can't believe Alberto would be so stupid. Well...maybe!

Time to start a new nickname for Alberto. El Cheatolero.

 

[c&cfan]

the first post of this thread was the stupiest post that i ever read in my life. some of you have no logic, no knowledge, etc.

first, you say that every cyclist dopes (and you know that doping is ilegal) without proof. then you say that no farmer is using clen on their animals. where is the logic here?? do you have a brain right? if someone says that every cyclist dopes, that person has to say that every farmer uses clen. this is logic. this is life. everyone trying to win...

do you want to talk about facts right? let's talk..

if someone bans contador for more than one day, they are making a huge mistake.
doping is not taking drugs..doping is taking drugs WITH the goal of getting a better performance. see bonen's case with coke.. etc. every smart person in the world knows that that amount of clen cant be used to make a cylist performe better (so he wasnt doping even the meat thing is not true) or lose weight.

the meat thing is very plausible. and this is another fact.

like it or not, even the finest restaurant will make lots of mistakes per day (every person has saw something bad taking place in a expensive restaurant like re-use dirty meat etc) every farmer will make something illegal every time they can because they need more money for their kids or simply because they are bad people. and if that person has an huge company and lots of money, no one will know about the clen use, for example...............

every cyclist tries to win. some substance that today isnt seen as a drug, can be seen as doping tomorrow, and based in this theory, i believe that every person that does sport is a "doper". saying that every cyclist is using EPO CERA etc is nothing more than a crime.

another thing, if you are going to say that others have been baned because of the same thing or something similar so contador has to be banned too, please read this.
the others that have been baned because UCI (or other agency) has made a huge mistake. there's one law that is the law number one in any civilized country: good sense. UCI dont respect this law, but with contador is diferent, the world is watching, they have to do it. obviously contador cant be banned because of that (no doping, meat thing plausible, some flu and some meds that use clen, the amount of clen, etc) and it is to soon to talk about the new test.
and some of you are saying something like "i dont care that if the uci has been stupid and wrong, the chinese guy was banned so contador has to be baned too.". how smart is that?this is the same that saying "he was killed because he stole a potato, so everyone that steals a potato has to be killed." very smart.......
you guys should be saying this "it is time to do the right thing and make the uci work decently. some riders shouldnt have been banned and contador's case shows that."

note: the law says that this case shouldnt be treated "outside the house". so when someone is saying that uci was trying to cover up the case, they are only saying sh+t.


but talking about contador shleck and Mr Armstrong..

contador was never caught because of doping. in fact, you dont have proof of nothing so far. the same can be said about shleck but not about armstrong. this clen case isnt about doping (like i said earlier) dude.

shleck's brother was directly related with dope cases, and they are always training together doing the same stuff etc. this is a fact. now,you think what you want from here.

armstrong was an average\high (in quality) classics rider. he was heavy and unable to climb. only wins as a favourite to a race: san sebastian 96 (i guess). before he was just a low (in quality) rider that won the WC and some stages with 200km brakeaways. then you know what happened. you know facts, rumours, etc. and now you think what you want.

with 27, armstrong had only "lucky wins". look at contador.

(you know what happened in top stage racers in armstrong's era right?especially armstrong's mates. but then, you think what you want. i'm only using some proof and logic.)

 

[Merckx index]

the first post of this thread was the stupiest post that i ever read in my life. some of you have no logic, no knowledge, etc.

if someone says that every cyclist dopes, that person has to say that every farmer uses clen. this is logic. this is life. everyone trying to win...

I think you've discovered a new form of logic with some very interesting possibilities. If we can prove that, say, 50% of pro cyclists dopes, this means that 50% of farmers use clenbuterol, right? And the converse, too. This is great! We don't even have to run tests on cyclists any more. We can just test cattle.

do you want to talk about facts right? let's talk..

if someone bans contador for more than one day, they are making a huge mistake...the meat thing is very plausible. and this is another fact.

I think you have discovered a new form of "facts" to go along with your new logic.

every cyclist tries to win. some substance that today isnt seen as a drug, can be seen as doping tomorrow, and based in this theory, i believe that every person that does sport is a "doper". saying that every cyclist is using EPO CERA etc is nothing more than a crime.

You mean, real dopers are smart enough to move on to something new when the old things can be detected. So it's a crime to accuse riders, all of whom are dopers, of doping with old stuff, but it's OK to accuse them of new stuff. This interesting conclusion probably requires use of your newly discovered logic and facts, since if something isn't seen as a drug, it takes some extraordinary vision indeed to see using that something as doping.

 

[c&cfan]

I think you've discovered a new form of logic with some very interesting possibilities. If we can prove that, say, 50% of pro cyclists dopes, this means that 50% of farmers use clenbuterol, right? And the converse, too. This is great! We don't even have to run tests on cyclists any more. We can just test cattle.



I think you have discovered a new form of "facts" to go along with your new logic.



You mean, real dopers are smart enough to move on to something new when the old things can be detected. So it's a crime to accuse riders, all of whom are dopers, of doping with old stuff, but it's OK to accuse them of new stuff. This interesting conclusion probably requires use of your newly discovered logic and facts, since if something isn't seen as a drug, it takes some extraordinary vision indeed to see using that something as doping.

1-what i said was that no one has proof that all cycling peloton is "dirty". if someone says that every cyclist is a doper without proof, that person will base that on "everyone is trying to beat the law" "beating the system" "everyone is trying to surpass their own body etc" "competition". so,if the same person says otherwise with the meat system, they havent credibility, since in the meat system, as in anything else, "everyone is trying to beat the law" "beating the system" "surpassing their own maximum in production (to have more money for some reasons) "competition" etc etc. and a fact, cyclist are more tested than most meat. get it?

2-new form of fact?have you read the whole post or just a single word? i said that based on the amount that was found, it wasnt doping (science is supporting me), so if he is banned, it is a mistake.

3-doping is using something that your own body cant do (in quality, amount, etc) in order to make you perform better. it's not only drugs. you have drug doping..mechanical doping etc. if you drink an energetic drink, in theory you are doping. that's why everyone in sport is a doper. this may be extraordinary vision to someone like you (i feel sorry for you and your family then..), but for others (with human brain), it's just logic and something clear. what i said was that some "illegal drugs" used as doping today, were used decades ago, but no one saw them or were using them as doping (well..drinking rice with more sugar and other stuff can be considered dopind one day.).

everyone that is using CERA or EPO should be baned for life when it is clearly proved that they were cheating. but someone that has clen in a amount that can be caused by meds that are used to care people that have a flu, or people that eat meat etc, and that cant be used to make them perform better, cant be baned. it's just stupid ban someone because of this.

4- you are not a cycling fan. you are just a teenager (at least in mental age) with no goals in your life besides giving a "comic" opinion in some subjects. everyone is so proud of you... learn how to read and understand context etc first. then say something. i have nothing to discuss with you.

 

[Christian]

i said that based on the amount that was found, it wasnt doping (science is supporting me), so if he is banned, it is a mistake.

Uhm ... science is not really supporting you:

Part of Contador's defense was that the level of the drug in his sample was so low it couldn't be considered performance-enhancing, but Canadian researcher Christiane Ayotte of the WADA-accredited testing lab in Montreal disagreed. She said told ESPN that even miniscule amounts of the drug can be used for doping purposes.

"You'll never find a ton of it, because the doses are really small," Ayotte said, adding that her lab frequently finds similarly low levels of the drug in athletes' samples.

"It's used in sports where they need to cut weight," she said. "Just because it's small doesn't mean it's not doping. ... This is just the dopers adjusting, or misadjusting, to the testing."

Ayotte hopes that regulations will continue to allow adverse analytical findings for any amount of the drug, and that no lower limit will be set for its detection.

"If this case is lost because they're concluding the amount is too small, that would be a major problem. It's not the end of the world, but if competent arbitrators decide that, my heart would break. More dopers would go through the net."

http://www.cyclingnews.com/news/experts-poke-holes-in-contadors-contaminated-meat-defense

And another one:

Speaking to the Reuters news agency, Van Eenoo, the head of the Ghent laboratory, said that unlike cocaine, Clenbuterol breaks down very slowly in the body and the effect is long term, hence the decision by the anti-doping authorities to look for tiny traces of the drug.

http://www.cyclingnews.com/news/ghent-lab-chief-dismisses-contadors-calls-for-clenbuterol-cut-off

 

[c&cfan]

that posted based on one WADA scientist (her position about the case was already stated before she opened her mouth) that is saying the oposite of OTHERS experts and someone that said something that has nothing to do with the case since previous samples of contador didnt show even an even small amount of clen?? funny..

about the last thing about clen, did you used the same logic about david millar and basso etc? (no positive no doping)

 

[Christian]

So far we have:

- Detlef Thieme, director of the Institute of Doping Analysis and biochemistry in Kreischa

- Christiane Ayotte of the WADA-accredited testing lab in Montreal

- The World Anti-Doping Agency director general David Howman

- Peter Van Eenoo, the head of the Ghent anti-doping laboratory

speaking out against Contador. That's already quite a few people though ...

 

[c&cfan]

almost all of them of WADA (they have to say that.)

van eenoo said nothing against contador, since the day of the positive, contador had 0 clen.

and the other wants a piece of the cake...(we knew it!!!!!!!!!!!!!!) lol

so you have only wada.. how funny..

 

[Merckx index]

1-what i said was that no one has proof that all cycling peloton is "dirty". if someone says that every cyclist is a doper without proof, that person will base that on "everyone is trying to beat the law" "beating the system" "everyone is trying to surpass their own body etc" "competition". so,if the same person says otherwise with the meat system, they havent credibility, since in the meat system, as in anything else, "everyone is trying to beat the law" "beating the system" "surpassing their own maximum in production (to have more money for some reasons) "competition" etc etc. and a fact, cyclist are more tested than most meat. get it?

Nope, I don't get it. Cycling is far more competitive than cattle raising, maybe because a lot more money is involved.

2-new form of fact?have you read the whole post or just a single word? i said that based on the amount that was found, it wasnt doping (science is supporting me), so if he is banned, it is a mistake.

It's not that clear-cut. You have heard of the transfusion theory, haven't you?

[doping]3-doping is using something that your own body cant do (in quality, amount, etc) in order to make you perform better. it's not only drugs. you have drug doping..mechanical doping etc. if you drink an energetic drink, in theory you are doping. that's why everyone in sport is a doper. this may be extraordinary vision to someone like you (i feel sorry for you and your family then..), but for others (with human brain), it's just logic and something clear. what i said was that some "illegal drugs" used as doping today, were used decades ago, but no one saw them or were using them as doping (well..drinking rice with more sugar and other stuff can be considered dopind one day.).[/doping]

An "energetic drink"? All food contains energy, so eating anything is doping, according to your logic. Certainly you perform better than if you didn't eat.

everyone that is using CERA or EPO should be baned for life when it is clearly proved that they were cheating. but someone that has clen in a amount that can be caused by meds that are used to care people that have a flu, or people that eat meat etc, and that cant be used to make them perform better, cant be baned. it's just stupid ban someone because of this.

Again, you're missing some of the science.

4- you are not a cycling fan. you are just a teenager (at least in mental age) with no goals in your life besides giving a "comic" opinion in some subjects. everyone is so proud of you... learn how to read and understand context etc first. then say something. i have nothing to discuss with you.

That last sentence may be the truest thing you've posted yet.

 

[JMBeaushrimp]

Wow! Keep it up, guys!

And to think I felt like I was an upper-crazy ranter...

 

[Christian]

all food contains energy, so eating anything is doping, according to your logic. Certainly you perform better than if you didn't eat.

nice one. :d

 

[flicker]

the first post of this thread was the stupiest post that i ever read in my life. some of you have no logic, no knowledge, etc.

first, you say that every cyclist dopes (and you know that doping is ilegal) without proof. then you say that no farmer is using clen on their animals. where is the logic here?? do you have a brain right? if someone says that every cyclist dopes, that person has to say that every farmer uses clen. this is logic. this is life. everyone trying to win...

do you want to talk about facts right? let's talk..

if someone bans contador for more than one day, they are making a huge mistake.
doping is not taking drugs..doping is taking drugs WITH the goal of getting a better performance. see bonen's case with coke.. etc. every smart person in the world knows that that amount of clen cant be used to make a cylist performe better (so he wasnt doping even the meat thing is not true) or lose weight.

the meat thing is very plausible. and this is another fact.

like it or not, even the finest restaurant will make lots of mistakes per day (every person has saw something bad taking place in a expensive restaurant like re-use dirty meat etc) every farmer will make something illegal every time they can because they need more money for their kids or simply because they are bad people. and if that person has an huge company and lots of money, no one will know about the clen use, for example...............

every cyclist tries to win. some substance that today isnt seen as a drug, can be seen as doping tomorrow, and based in this theory, i believe that every person that does sport is a "doper". saying that every cyclist is using EPO CERA etc is nothing more than a crime.

another thing, if you are going to say that others have been baned because of the same thing or something similar so contador has to be banned too, please read this.
the others that have been baned because UCI (or other agency) has made a huge mistake. there's one law that is the law number one in any civilized country: good sense. UCI dont respect this law, but with contador is diferent, the world is watching, they have to do it. obviously contador cant be banned because of that (no doping, meat thing plausible, some flu and some meds that use clen, the amount of clen, etc) and it is to soon to talk about the new test.
and some of you are saying something like "i dont care that if the uci has been stupid and wrong, the chinese guy was banned so contador has to be baned too.". how smart is that?this is the same that saying "he was killed because he stole a potato, so everyone that steals a potato has to be killed." very smart.......
you guys should be saying this "it is time to do the right thing and make the uci work decently. some riders shouldnt have been banned and contador's case shows that."

note: the law says that this case shouldnt be treated "outside the house". so when someone is saying that uci was trying to cover up the case, they are only saying sh+t.


but talking about contador shleck and Mr Armstrong..

contador was never caught because of doping. in fact, you dont have proof of nothing so far. the same can be said about shleck but not about armstrong. this clen case isnt about doping (like i said earlier) dude.

shleck's brother was directly related with dope cases, and they are always training together doing the same stuff etc. this is a fact. now,you think what you want from here.

armstrong was an average\high (in quality) classics rider. he was heavy and unable to climb. only wins as a favourite to a race: san sebastian 96 (i guess). before he was just a low (in quality) rider that won the WC and some stages with 200km brakeaways. then you know what happened. you know facts, rumours, etc. and now you think what you want.

with 27, armstrong had only "lucky wins". look at contador.

(you know what happened in top stage racers in armstrong's era right?especially armstrong's mates. but then, you think what you want. i'm only using some proof and logic.)

Contador was a great rider. I am sorry he was busted. It would have been interesting to see him try and beat the 7 of the great champion Lance Armstrong. After Contadors comeback the tour 2014, Alberto will be forced to dope on a much smaller scale. I personally do not think Alberto has it in him to challange my Lance un-doped. Just like My Lances'other adverseries.

 

[Oldman]

that posted based on one WADA scientist (her position about the case was already stated before she opened her mouth) that is saying the oposite of OTHERS experts and someone that said something that has nothing to do with the case since previous samples of contador didnt show even an even small amount of clen?? funny..

about the last thing about clen, did you used the same logic about david millar and basso etc? (no positive no doping)

Maybe someone else asked this but i will again: how would anyone actually guess that a banned substance was in beef and that a receipt for purchase would somehow confirm that? Assuming they did know anything; why would they eat it? Only a Spanish local would remotely accept this feeble explanation and only if the team produced blood samples immediately following showing everyone eating at the table including staff had levels of Clen in their system.

 

[Hangdog98]

Generally at this point I would post some sort of funny FAIL pic or something like that. Something that I am sure you have seen in several of your other incarnations here. I no longer have the strength however, so I will simply ask a question. Are you being paid to post here or are you a simpleton?...
BTW In answer to your last point (?) he didn't dodge anybody, he paid off anyone who might make things hard for him. I just wonder if somewhere in his tax returns he didn't write that off as a business expense.

I don't know if you're trying to be hilarious with your faux-idiot posts or you are a genuine idiot, but it's terrific either way.

If nobody catches him then he must be paying everybody off. Priceless!
Several Incarnations? A kind of Matrix Mr Smith coming to get you? Another gem!
Paid to Post? By whom, the CIA, the illuminati... Gold!

Another one for 'The Truthers'. Add this to the Moon landing and 9/11 conspiracy theories. Pure gold. Hilarious!

You see Mr jAnuss, the ad hominem and reductio ad absurdum style you employ to ram your opinion is the strongest indicator of a simple mind in this thread.

I think you would be best advised to resume your fall back position of posting funny pics to amuse your peers. For those of us who rely on evidence and a hearing to determine guilt, we'll quietly chuckle at your demented rants and imagine you sitting at your computer in your jim jams, waiting patiently for your cup of cocoa with World of Warcraft noises chattering away in the background Thanks for your efforts and keep up the good work Mr jAnuss, gold, pure gold.

 

[SilentAssassin]

Took about 2 years to finally get justice...but was I ever right in my original post that I created 2 years ago...Andy Schleck is the true TDF 2010 champion...and now, it's official.

I'm glad Contador the cheat was punished for cheating and stripped of his wins. All hail best cyclist Denis Menchov as greatest cyclist in the world.

 

[The Hitch]

Im starting to think Silent Assasin is the same person as the one behind Denkoff

Author of these gems

http://forum.cyclingnews.com/showthread.php?t=11066

http://forum.cyclingnews.com/showthread.php?t=9587

http://forum.cyclingnews.com/showthread.php?t=12075

http://forum.cyclingnews.com/showthread.php?t=8999

http://forum.cyclingnews.com/showthread.php?t=12463

http://forum.cyclingnews.com/showthread.php?t=9362

http://forum.cyclingnews.com/showthread.php?t=11949

http://forum.cyclingnews.com/showthread.php?t=13979

And of this video

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wD-F_vcTZgM

 

[Fetisoff]

Im starting to think Silent Assasin is the same person as the one behind Denkoff

LOL, if that is him - he's damn good.

 

[La Pandera]

Go ahead and add Contador as a witness to the Lance Armstrong case..that is before or after Contador writes his book titled: "I'm Innocciente I Tink."

One of the cool things out of this however is that I won't have to hear Contador's
Spanglish.

Do us a favor: stop killing us with your trolling and take on the "Silent" part of your forum name. You'd be doing the world of cycling a big favor. Thanks in advance.

 

[La Pandera]

Well spoiled maybe not but he has acted like a child on various occasions which is part of his charme I would say

That is definitely debatable.

 

[ChrisE]

This thread getting bumped is hilarious.

Silent Assassin, whoever you are, I raise a toast to you tonight.

 

[patricknd]

Correct me if i'm wrong but......

A 2010 urine sample showed traces of clenbuterol in an amount that was not in the positive range. An astana team receipt showed he ate a contaminated steak which contained the substance.

Yes. You left out some details it seems.

back dated steak receipt showed nothing of the sort

 

[Semper Fidelis]

Took about 2 years to finally get justice...but was I ever right in my original post that I created 2 years ago...Andy Schleck is the true TDF 2010 champion...and now, it's official.

I'm glad Contador the cheat was punished for cheating and stripped of his wins. All hail best cyclist Denis Menchov as greatest cyclist in the world.

cheers SA....BANG BANG.....

 

[Ripper]

Bwa ha ha ... a Troll thread! Been a while since I've seen once of these.