Article - The true heir to Lance emerges: Schleck rising as Contador tests positive

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OK. One point of clarification I should have made is that while racers here think he doped throughout his career, he remains a pretty popular guy. Guys like the fact that he won, regardless of how he did it. And as you might guess, anybody who pokes a stick in the eyes of the French as many times as Lance did is bound to be popular among Texans.

I respect that. That is realistic. Most good riders are going to want to see a winner from their own state and country. The French have thumbed teir noses at America for a long time. I love the French though, I think they are intelligent and have shared a lot of their ways with us. I notice a lot of people here hate Lance because he dated Sheryl Crow. Totally farcical.

 

[khardung la]

I respect you as you understand the sport. In this sport you want to support the riders who make the sport look good and attractive to fans and sponsors.

It sounds like a typical American answer (as typical from the US). Again this thing with the atractiveness of Contador for fans etc...In other parts of the World we are not constantly in a childish quest for the new hero or the new good example for society. That kind of behaviour leads to mistify cheaters like LA with good PR guys and capacity for selling his artificial image to a bunch of people with more money than brain.

All of them prominent cyclists are cheaters, and the fact that Contador is not from your country, that he does not speak your language, that he does not look like a big jawed superman emulator, or that he is more shy than your hyped new fans to cycling would like, make no difference. Doping is prevalent in cycling in the last many decades. Do not use doping as an excuse to justify your fobias....., because all of them are doped.

Yours is a cynic argument.

 

[flicker]

It sounds like a typical American answer (as typical from the US). Again this thing with the atractiveness of Contador for fans etc...In other parts of the World we are not constantly in a childish quest for the new hero or the new good example for society. That kind of behaviour leads to mistify cheaters like LA with good PR guys and capacity for selling his artificial image to a bunch of people with more money than brain.

All of them prominent cyclists are cheaters, and the fact that Contador is not from your country, that he does not speak your language, that he does not look like a big jawed superman emulator, or that he is more shy than your hyped new fans to cycling would like, make no difference. Doping is prevalent in cycling in the last many decades. Do not use doping as an excuse to justify your fobias....., because all of them are doped.

Yours is a cynic argument.

I did not watch Lance until his comeback. The DVDs of his windmill like pedaling were superlative. I also loved his TT work. PLus being an old guy myself it was inspiring to see him take on the younger riders plus go up against DiLucca, Basso and Evans again.

I guess if I had a better handle on the Spanish language and the culture of the area of Spain where Alberto comes from I could have become a bigger fan of his.

I like Armstrong because he puts cycling on TV here. I enjoy his interviews and persona. Lance has done a great deal to support healthy lifestyle, cancer awareness and the sport of cycling here.

 

[AussieGoddess]

whatever his sins - Lance Armstrong has done a lot to raise the profile of cycling in the US (and australia), and does actually assist cancer sufferers (even if he doesnt get the best out of all the money, there is little doubt that he has made a difference to a lot of cancer patients)

I still dont beleive he rode clean, but I will give some credit to what he has acheived.

 

[indurain666]

Unbelievable and disturbing. This ***, xenophobic and senseless thread was started by some mentally challenged troll/fanboy and it is now 8 pages long?

The only meaningful conclusion of this discussion is that this guy should be banned from the forum.

 

[Benotti69]

whatever his sins - Lance Armstrong has done a lot to raise the profile of cycling in the US (and australia), and does actually assist cancer sufferers (even if he doesnt get the best out of all the money, there is little doubt that he has made a difference to a lot of cancer patients)

I still dont beleive he rode clean, but I will give some credit to what he has acheived.

but no doubt he'll drag its profile back down below when he started to raise it.

 

[marioni]

Fans of the sport who desire a clean race welcome Schleck as the true 2010 TDF champion, and the true heir to Lance.

I'm a fan of the sport, and I will never welcome a rider who finished 2nd as the champion. The champion is the guy who actually won TDF - Alberto Contador.

 

[flicker]

I'm a fan of the sport, and I will never welcome a rider who finished 2nd as the champion. The champion is the guy who actually won TDF - Alberto Contador.

You are correct as far as the champion goes. However Alberto looks to be caught red handed thusly will most likely be relegated.
I just can't believe Alberto would be so stupid. Well...maybe!

 

[buckwheat]

I respect that. That is realistic. Most good riders are going to want to see a winner from their own state and country. The French have thumbed teir noses at America for a long time. I love the French though, I think they are intelligent and have shared a lot of their ways with us. I notice a lot of people here hate Lance because he dated Sheryl Crow. Totally farcical.

Oh bs! Any good rider, or anyone with more of a backbone than a fanboy, wants to kick the living $hit out of Pharmstrong. Only some pantywaist twit buys into this flag waving, USA chanting, crap. Why the heck do you think some tough guy like Gerlach was taken away from LA and Bottle? Answer, because he called them out on their nonsense.

Who gives a damn where someone comes from? This is one of the reasons Armstrong is such a jerk. He knows all these weak corporate lackey types will do anything to belong to his ridiculous clique and is privately laughing at the mouth breathers.

 

[buckwheat]

Lance is amazing. No matter what to be under the magnifying glass for as long as he has been with his persona, the guy is unreal I love him. my family talks about him all the time it is like he is right here.

Unbelievable! He's unreal alright!

Slim, why don't you go back to the place the rest of the Kool Aid drinkers hang out.

People who understand the sport, recognize that the object is, to get your own unadulterated "organism"(as FL would say) across the finish line first.

'ooh I Love you Lance..way to go for ..... America.....and cancer......'

'Why do you haters love cancer?'

 

[flicker]

Oh bs! Any good rider, or anyone with more of a backbone than a fanboy wants to kick the living $hit out of Pharmstrong. Only some pantywaist twit buys into this flag waving, USA chanting, crap. Why the heck do you think some tough guy like Gerlach was taken away from LA and Bottle? Answer, because he called them out on their nonsense.

Who gives a damn where someone comes from? This is one of the reasons Armstrong is such a jerk. He knows all these weak corporate lackey types will do anything to belong to his ridiculous clique and is privately laughing at the mouth breathers.

the people who attack the French are the same fools who attack Armstrong and vice-versa. You realize the French helped the US win the war of independence, gave us a sweet deal in the Louisiana purchase and Eiffel designed the Panama Canal, which has helped world trade.

Now Lance has come and done the same for US and world cycling. Even Alberto and specialized bicycles has benefitted from Lances conquests.

I am sorry that Alberto was caught. I think that some here insinuate that Lance(AKA the Anti-Christ) had something to do that. I am sorry for your Lance infatuation.

 

[Oldman]

It sounds like a typical American answer (as typical from the US). Again this thing with the atractiveness of Contador for fans etc...In other parts of the World we are not constantly in a childish quest for the new hero or the new good example for society. That kind of behaviour leads to mistify cheaters like LA with good PR guys and capacity for selling his artificial image to a bunch of people with more money than brain.

All of them prominent cyclists are cheaters, and the fact that Contador is not from your country, that he does not speak your language, that he does not look like a big jawed superman emulator, or that he is more shy than your hyped new fans to cycling would like, make no difference. Doping is prevalent in cycling in the last many decades. Do not use doping as an excuse to justify your fobias....., because all of them are doped.

Yours is a cynic argument.

Before you tar all 'Muricans for Flickers remark you have to look where his tongue is...firmly in cheek. He's the noble Yankee debate spark to light your fire.

 

[flicker]

It sounds like a typical American answer (as typical from the US). Again this thing with the atractiveness of Contador for fans etc...In other parts of the World we are not constantly in a childish quest for the new hero or the new good example for society. That kind of behaviour leads to mistify cheaters like LA with good PR guys and capacity for selling his artificial image to a bunch of people with more money than brain.

All of them prominent cyclists are cheaters, and the fact that Contador is not from your country, that he does not speak your language, that he does not look like a big jawed superman emulator, or that he is more shy than your hyped new fans to cycling would like, make no difference. Doping is prevalent in cycling in the last many decades. Do not use doping as an excuse to justify your fobias....., because all of them are doped.

Yours is a cynic argument.

As soon as Alberto and Vino (as my fellow American Greg LeMond puts it) relieve their consciences (turn in dirty trainers, DSs who recomended they dope, suppliers detailed history of their doping, races that they won doped, give back their sponsorship money, medals and prize money, turn in their countrymen even in sports other than cycling who have doped I will jump on the Armstrong hating train. Heck I will even go buy Specialized Stumpjumpers for my kids to ride.

Otherwise with the Armstrong/Contador debate it is a moot point.

 

[jimmypop]

Before you tar all 'Muricans for Flickers remark you have to look where his tongue is...firmly in cheek. He's the noble Yankee debate spark to light your fire.

Did you mean firmly between cheeks?

 

[buckwheat]

the people who attack the French are the same fools who attack Armstrong and vice-versa. You realize the French helped the US win the war of independence, gave us a sweet deal in the Louisiana purchase and Eiffel designed the Panama Canal, which has helped world trade.

Now Lance has come and done the same for US and world cycling. Even Alberto and specialized bicycles has benefitted from Lances conquests.

I am sorry that Alberto was caught. I think that some here insinuate that Lance(AKA the Anti-Christ) had something to do that. I am sorry for your Lance infatuation.

You're an absurdity.

Stop your idiocy about the people who attack the French. The people who attack the French are the biggest collection of fanboys on earth, and dumb as rocks too.

Save the strawman crap for the fanboy haven you inhabit.

 

[khardung la]

You realize the French helped the US win the war of independence, gave us a sweet deal in the Louisiana purchase and Eiffel designed the Panama Canal, which has helped world trade.

Well, I don't know if it is better you stick to your LA nonsense

The Panama Channel (french attempt) was designed by Ferdinand de Lesseps, the same guy as in the Suez Channel. Eiffel helped designing the locks. However the Channel was finally made later by the US, quite from scratch due to the failure of the french (with financial corruption involved).

The french did not help you with the War of Independence for free, it was more a strategic support to weak their archienemy in that time, Britain.

As for Lousianna...well it was originally Spanish. Then french colonists settled there. Although temporarily with French sovereignity in some parts, they ceded it East of the Mississipi to Britain, and lost the whole of it to Spain in 1763 by the Treaty of Fontainebleau. They recovered it in 1800 after defeating the Spanish in Europe (through the treaty of San Ildefonso). Just THREE years later they sold what was basically not theirs or of their interest anymore: Louisiana. They could not get a better prize since they had really no power or strength there, it was incidentally theirs. No sweet treaty, just a matter of fact.

 

[MarkvW]

It is all stupid anyway.

I'm a fan of the sport, and I will never welcome a rider who finished 2nd as the champion. The champion is the guy who actually won TDF - Alberto Contador.

The glory of sport is evanescent anyway. Charly Gaul is nothing but a name to most people nowadays, for example.

Bike racing is filthy. Clean up the filth and enhance the glory or let peloton wallow--that's the choice. I say clean it up!

All the man-love over 'champions' is stupid anyway. The drama is in the moment, in the striving. The 'achievement' gets its luster (lustre) only from that striving.

By all means, adore Contador. But know that your adoration is all about you--it is not about the sport.

 

[flicker]

Well, I don't know if it is better you stick to your LA nonsense

The Panama Channel (french attempt) was designed by Ferdinand de Lesseps, the same guy as in the Suez Channel. Eiffel helped designing the locks. However the Channel was finally made later by the US, quite from scratch due to the failure of the french (with financial corruption involved).

The french did not help you with the War of Independence for free, it was more a strategic support to weak their archienemy in that time, Britain.

As for Lousianna...well it was originally Spanish. Then french colonists settled there. Although temporarily with French sovereignity in some parts, they ceded it East of the Mississipi to Britain, and lost the whole of it to Spain in 1763 by the Treaty of Fontainebleau. They recovered it in 1800 after defeating the Spanish in Europe (through the treaty of San Ildefonso). Just THREE years later they sold what was basically not theirs or of their interest anymore: Louisiana. They could not get a better prize since they had really no power or strength there, it was incidentally theirs. No sweet treaty, just a matter of fact.

You are definitley on my friend list for the history lesson. All I am saying is the stupidity of hating the French by Americans is mindbogeling. I know I saw on DVDs the flag waving by Lances' fans in France.
Plus whoever thought of freedom fries and freedom toast.

On hindsight when I visited France I was impressed.

 

[JMBeaushrimp]

Well, I don't know if it is better you stick to your LA nonsense

The Panama Channel (french attempt) was designed by Ferdinand de Lesseps, the same guy as in the Suez Channel. Eiffel helped designing the locks. However the Channel was finally made later by the US, quite from scratch due to the failure of the french (with financial corruption involved).

The french did not help you with the War of Independence for free, it was more a strategic support to weak their archienemy in that time, Britain.

As for Lousianna...well it was originally Spanish. Then french colonists settled there. Although temporarily with French sovereignity in some parts, they ceded it East of the Mississipi to Britain, and lost the whole of it to Spain in 1763 by the Treaty of Fontainebleau. They recovered it in 1800 after defeating the Spanish in Europe (through the treaty of San Ildefonso). Just THREE years later they sold what was basically not theirs or of their interest anymore: Louisiana. They could not get a better prize since they had really no power or strength there, it was incidentally theirs. No sweet treaty, just a matter of fact.

Watch out, guys...

With history lessons like that you're bound to **** off some of the rabid Canadians on this post. From what I hear, they're vicious!

 

[Christian]

Charly Gaul is nothing but a name to most people nowadays, for example.

Sad, but true. I don't know where you live but on France 3 they have this great show called "Le Mirroir du Tour" after each stage where they dig out stories and riders from the old days ... always worth watching!

 

[flicker]

One question,is Alberto related to the lost conquistador of the new world;
Cabesa de Vaca?

 

[JPM London]

Does this thread have a topic?

I guess when a thread is started as a trolling mission by a troll it doesn't really matter anyway, but just curious...

 

[HL2037]

It sounds like a typical American answer (as typical from the US). Again this thing with the atractiveness of Contador for fans etc...In other parts of the World we are not constantly in a childish quest for the new hero or the new good example for society. That kind of behaviour leads to mistify cheaters like LA with good PR guys and capacity for selling his artificial image to a bunch of people with more money than brain.

All of them prominent cyclists are cheaters, and the fact that Contador is not from your country, that he does not speak your language, that he does not look like a big jawed superman emulator, or that he is more shy than your hyped new fans to cycling would like, make no difference. Doping is prevalent in cycling in the last many decades. Do not use doping as an excuse to justify your fobias....., because all of them are doped.

Yours is a cynic argument.

khardung la, I agree with you in everything, and I think you expressed it very well.

I've noticed too the american need for a strong leader. I think the reason is that they have a relatively short history and have never experienced absolute monarchy or a totalitarian regime in their own country. So they are not aware of the dangers of blind worship.

To threadstarter:
About Andy Schleck: He dopes just as much as the rest, and don't insult him by calling him Armstrongs heir - LA is not even in the same league as Andy and Alberto...

 

[pedaling squares]

Back on topic, the true up and coming champions are Ben King, Andy Schleck, Taylor Phinney, Wiggo, Gesink. These are clean sportsman who will fullfill their sponsors obligations.

Does Bradley have a younger and more talented brother?

 

[SilentAssassin]

I really shouldn't compare Andy to Armstrong since Armstrong obviously is a superior time trialist and won seven tours....BUT...Andy is still young enough to be able to do it, so we'll see. Andy still has to win a tour, so let's not get ahead of ourselves, but he is the rightful heir since he isn't a druggy like AC.