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Article-With 3 tainted TDF victories Alberto Contador: Champion or Poseur?

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the vagabond said:
dekker -tifosi:
You might want to get your facts straight.

Lance rode the Vuelta once - finished 4th ('98). He rode the Giro once - finished 12th.

Also, the idea that tdeF would strip Lance of titles (as someone wrote) and not Pantani, Ulrich, and Riis is absurd. Riis has admitted doping in the 1996 Tour and has not been stripped. Merccx took drugs, Delgado doped, Anquetil
took drugs, Fignon took drugs. Get over it.

The Lance haters on this forum seem to me to be more delusional than the Lance lovers or apologists. And why homologous blood transfusions are any bigger sin than illegal stimulants or other forms of doping is beyond me. Lance won his tours, he was extensively tested, he was never sanctioned - just like all the riders before him.

Where is the forum for Riis and Pantani haters? Oh, now I get it. They're not rich enough, they didn't win enough, and they're not Americans.

Drop us a line when Riis travels the world lying to people with terminal diseases about racing clean to line his own pockets.
 
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the vagabond said:
dekker -tifosi:


The Lance haters on this forum seem to me to be more delusional than the Lance lovers or apologists. And why homologous blood transfusions are any bigger sin than illegal stimulants or other forms of doping is beyond me. Lance won his tours, he was extensively tested, he was never sanctioned - just like all the riders before him.

Where is the forum for Riis and Pantani haters? Oh, now I get it. They're not rich enough, they didn't win enough, and they're not Americans.

You are correct. the level of dumbness and delusion showed by the haters on this forum is extreme to the max. They refuse to accnoledge the greatness of lance who is proven to be cleen, while supporting riders who are severly tainted AND not as good as Lance.

Its like they want to celebrate those riders who just arnt good enough or something. I think they just hate excellence.
 
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the vagabond said:
dekker -tifosi:
You might want to get your facts straight.

Lance rode the Vuelta once - finished 4th ('98). He rode the Giro once - finished 12th.

Also, the idea that tdeF would strip Lance of titles (as someone wrote) and not Pantani, Ulrich, and Riis is absurd. Riis has admitted doping in the 1996 Tour and has not been stripped. Merccx took drugs, Delgado doped, Anquetil
took drugs, Fignon took drugs. Get over it.

The Lance haters on this forum seem to me to be more delusional than the Lance lovers or apologists. And why homologous blood transfusions are any bigger sin than illegal stimulants or other forms of doping is beyond me. Lance won his tours, he was extensively tested, he was never sanctioned - just like all the riders before him.

Where is the forum for Riis and Pantani haters? Oh, now I get it. They're not rich enough, they didn't win enough, and they're not Americans.

yeah really dont like lance hes an arrogant sociopath but i hate bitter haters more there the saddest of the sad. they accomplish nothing and try to take down others to compensate for the failures in there own lives. a good example is those who think epo/peds etc.. makes champions and thats all it takes obvious delusion. this allows them to feel better about having no ability of there own some of the posters on here i would love to see a pic of i bet there are some sights to behold. we should have a socal area cycling news group ride that would be classic i would love to see some of the people on here lol.
 
Isn't there an "I love Lance" thread that you could have posted in? Why must you create yet another "Lance walks on water" thread. Geesh

And pass me what your smoking. You must be smoking something if you think Armstrong won his Tours with integrity and class.

I normally don't participate in these discussions, but I have had it. I don't mind thought out debates with facts - but these emotional outbursts against Contador because "Lance said he was a bad guy - he didn't follow the plan" That is just BS.

Get your own opinion.
 
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Polish said:
Realize that it is IMPOSSIBLE to win one two three four five six seven TdF's IN A ROW and also race the Giro and Vuelta.

I do not see anyone else EVER again winning Seven TdF's in a row.

Big Mig was impressive with 5 in a row.
Jacques & Eddy were impressive winning 4 in a row.
Louison Bobet was a stud winning 3 in a row.
And now Alberto can join Hinault and LeMond and others with 2 in a row.
Bravo Alberto.

But 7 in a Row will never happen again.

Not in the new era of clean racing, no.
 
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SilentAssassin said:
With 3 tainted TDF victories Alberto Contador: Champion or Poseur?

Historically, Tour De France GC winners have always been about being the best, and showing dominance in certain stages of the race to show that you are a true champion, that you are indeed the best rider of the tour. Lance Armstrong for example, always won stages during his seven year reign as a TDF champion in dominating style, whether they were mountain stages, prologues, and time trials. In each tour victory he has shown great respect and sportsmanship to his rivals. Who can forget Armstrong waiting for Jan Ullrich after he crashed. He was the ultimate champion, sportsman, and respected the traditions of the TDF.

The Heir to Lance Armstrong's TDF throne, Alberto Contador however, has had some questionable wins in his three TDF titles, and certainly a questionable and tainted 2010 TDF Title win. Needless to say there was also doping allegations surrounding Contador all throughout his career, which is why the Astana team wasn't invited in 2008.

List of Problems surrounding Alberto Contador's wins:

In 2007 Contador wins the TDF as Rasmussen who had essentially clinched the TDF win after beating Contador in the final stage of the Pyrenees(Stage 15) is kicked from the tour for "internal team violations."

In 2009, Contador wins the TDF. Cancellara makes the complaint that Contador was drafting behind the motorcycle in Annecy to get the win in the Annecy Time Trial Stage. This could be all the more true since Contador hasn't come remotely close to that of Cancellara in this year's time trials.

And the now 2010 title victory probably marks Contador's most controversial and questionable win due to attacking Andy Schleck when he had a mechanical failure. The fact that Schleck was AC's rival at the time is bad enough, but what is even more concerning is that Schleck was wearing the maillot jaune. And everyone knows, you do not disrespect the maillot jaune on a mechanical failure, especially on a key stage that could decide the race. Many can easily argue that Contador won this year's tour due to a mechanical failure suffered by Schleck, especially sinice there was only 39 seconds separating these two men after the final time trial. Many considered this wasn't the act of a champion to take advantage of a mechanical failure, but more of a "Desperate Man" as described by the commentator, Paul Sherwen, "doing anything to he can to win the tour."

Another problem with Contador's 2010 win is that he failed to win one single stage. Past tour winners usually win stages. Armstrong for example, always won a stage in each win. Contador failed to show any dominance in the mountains, failed to win stages, and Schleck even beat Contador in the final mountain stage.

Are these the trends of the new era of riders where people must attack on a mechanical to win the TDF? Is it the new direction of approaching the TDF where champions don't win stages and time trials? Alberto Contador has demonstrated to us in 2010 with a resounding "Yes." This is the future of the TDF, the dark age where winners pose as champions, or as Contador demonstrated, Champion Poseurs.

The one glimmer of light that has come from the 2010 TDF is Radioshack's team classification win. At least in that sense, a true champion, one that respects the malliot jaune, and one that has proven his dominance in tours, can be bid farewell on the podium. Not it's not the GC podium and you don't get the malliot jaune, but like Lance said, "I have seven of them at home." Indeed you do Lance, and you won each of them like a true champion.

- Silent Assassin

does lance's NUT taste better after he started endorsing that new fruit drink?
 
Contador gets a big asterick next to this win in my book. Schleck climbed stronger and with less support. Shleck attacked more. Contador didn't even win a stage. If he had any pride he would have attacked schleck to take that time back on the tourmalet. Is this contador w/o the dope? Maybe, maybe not, but the other thread about him being a consistent champion is a good question.
 
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Your chart made me laugh, Hugh. Very funny.
 
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Belokki said:

Dude, you took the words right out of my mouth. We can see first hand on this forum that idol worship can really cloud your thinking. Meet a girl, find a hobby, go to church, wash your car, mow your lawn, is there a fair in town, if so check it out, go to a movie, listen to some music, there is a world beyond Team Shack... Bizarre.
 
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offbyone said:
Contador gets a big asterick next to this win in my book. Schleck climbed stronger and with less support. Shleck attacked more. Contador didn't even win a stage. If he had any pride he would have attacked schleck to take that time back on the tourmalet. Is this contador w/o the dope? Maybe, maybe not, but the other thread about him being a consistent champion is a good question.

Shleck would of won if it weren't for the mechanical incident.

I don't even like Lance, but I'm not going to be delusional like the rest of the Lance haters in this forum and discount seven TDFs in a row. That's is God-like American Bad Asst stuff right there. Kind of like the Spanish-American war...just a constant bombardment of American victories...

Meanwhile...prowling for his first TDF kill is the silent assassin Denis Menchov, waiting to win it all next year. It's on for 2011 :D
 
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jayfro72 said:
Dude, you took the words right out of my mouth. We can see first hand on this forum that idol worship can really cloud your thinking. Meet a girl, find a hobby, go to church, wash your car, mow your lawn, is there a fair in town, if so check it out, go to a movie, listen to some music, there is a world beyond Team Shack... Bizarre.

I'm just a reporter, reporting this event :cool: I can take my car to the car wash and have Contador's family wash it for me..lol
 
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SilentAssassin said:
Shleck would of won if it weren't for the mechanical incident.

I don't even like Lance, but I'm not going to be delusional like the rest of the Lance haters in this forum and discount seven TDFs in a row. That's is God-like American Bad Asst stuff right there. Kind of like the Spanish-American war...just a constant bombardment of American victories...

Meanwhile...prowling for his first TDF kill is the silent assassin Denis Menchov, waiting to win it all next year. It's on for 2011 :D

Now that it's public knowledge that Schleck's issue wasn't a "mechanical" but rider error/incompetence where does that leave that argument?

"God-like American Bad Asst"....isn't that more than a bit over the top?

I do like Denis Menchov though. Excellent ride and well deserved podium. Congrats!!
 
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La Pandera said:
Now that it's public knowledge that Schleck's issue wasn't a "mechanical" but rider error/incompetence where does that leave that argument?

"God-like American Bad Asst"....isn't that more than a bit over the top?

I do like Denis Menchov though. Excellent ride and well deserved podium. Congrats!!

It was over the top.

I'm glad that was cleared up but still, he did attack on a mechanical. A true champion would want to beat their opponent without a mechanical error, and if you read the article, there are quite a few more arguments to sort out...like the one about Contador not winning a stage in this 2010 win...some thing that all the truly great champions do.
 
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Podium for this years TDF most hardcore Uniballer fanboys(based on number of idiotic posts ),on this forum:

-silent assassin: came strong at the last minute to steal the yellow jerse from Belokki
-Belokki
-womanlance..I mean..wonderlance

It was a tight competition..see you next year fanboys..oh wait a second...Uniballer retires/goes to jail...see you when I see you:D
 
SilentAssassin said:
It was over the top.

I'm glad that was cleared up but still, he did attack on a mechanical. A true champion would want to beat their opponent without a mechanical error, and if you read the article, there are quite a few more arguments to sort out...like the one about Contador not winning a stage in this 2010 win...some thing that all the truly great champions do.

Contador gifted Stage 17 to Andy. For intents and purposes, he won that stage.
 
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SilentAssassin said:
It was over the top.

I'm glad that was cleared up but still, he did attack on a mechanical. A true champion would want to beat their opponent without a mechanical error, and if you read the article, there are quite a few more arguments to sort out...like the one about Contador not winning a stage in this 2010 win...some thing that all the truly great champions do.

IT. WASN'T. A. MECHANICAL.

It was a shifting error. One shouldn't start what one can't finish and then expect one's opponents to wait till they get their shyte together.

Lemond went without a stage win in one of his 3 Tour victories but then you're not a Lemond fan so he doesn't count as a truly great champion regardless of his 3 Tour wins and 2 WC's, right?
 
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indurain666 said:
Podium for this years TDF most hardcore Uniballer fanboys(based on number of idiotic posts ),on this forum:

-silent assassin: came strong at the last minute to steal the yellow jerse from Belokki
-Belokki
-womanlance..I mean..wonderlance

It was a tight competition..see you next year fanboys..oh wait a second...Uniballer retires/goes to jail...see you when I see you:D

let the era Contador nuthugers begin...:cool:
 
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VeloGirl said:
Contador gifted Stage 17 to Andy. For intents and purposes, he won that stage.

Exactly and he likely could have dropped Rodriguez and won that stage if he wasn't concerned with Vino and whether he had latched on. Vino knows that he wouldn't have won that stage regardless of whether Contador dropped Rodriguez or not.
 
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SilentAssassin said:
I'm just a reporter, reporting this event :cool: I can take my car to the car wash and have Contador's family wash it for me..lol

WTF is that supposed to mean? I'm curious to hear your answer for this one.