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Doesn't seem like the story is getting much traction, what does it actually say?
Clearly you still haven't understood the message: Doping is hardly effective in a technique sport as Tennis (nor Soccer). It's not as if Nadal was implicated in puerto likes those dastardly cyclists ;)
 
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Remember Fuentes's comments that Madrid owed him money for testifying in this case. The whole thing in Spanish football stinks with this. We have the former Real Sociedad saying there was team wide doping of the players and Fuentes was involved. The media don't want to touch this whole issue with a barge pole and this doesn't help matters. I watch Revista de la Liga every week on Sky for the round up and news on Spanish football and I remember at the time of the Sociedad allegations as they were going to an ad break, Scott Minto (the presenter) saying they had many requests from viewers to address this but that they weren't going to do this now but later down the road when more info came out. Never in my many years of watching this did I see them referring to a topic like this. Total ignorance to it and what's even more irritating is that John Toshack who is a guest quite regularly on Sky for their Spanish football coverage, was a manager at Sociedad for a period during this. Why didn't journalists like Guillem Balague and Graham Hunter who be on Revista at times with him and know Toshack extremely well, put questions to him on the topic?

That goes for all the football media really but in particular the British one that have more access to him.
 
gooner said:
Remember Fuentes's comments that Madrid owed him money for testifying in this case. The whole thing in Spanish football stinks with this. We have the former Real Sociedad saying there was team wide doping of the players and Fuentes was involved. The media don't want to touch this whole issue with a barge pole and this doesn't help matters. I watch Revista de la Liga every week on Sky for the round up and news on Spanish football and I remember at the time of the Sociedad allegations as they were going to an ad break, Scott Minto (the presenter) saying they had many requests from viewers to address this but that they weren't going to do this now but later down the road when more info came out. Never in my many years of watching this did I see them referring to a topic like this. Total ignorance to it and what's even more irritating is that John Toshack who is a guest quite regularly on Sky for their Spanish football coverage, was a manager at Sociedad for a period during this. Why didn't journalists like Guillem Balague and Graham Hunter who be on Revista at times with him and know Toshack extremely well, put questions to him on the topic?

That goes for all the football media really but in particular the British one that have more access to him.
Simple really - don't bite the hand that feeds you.

The sh!tty truth of most sports reporters, as far as I'm concerned their not proper journalists.
 
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tell me all these clean teams are based in Spain to protect their clean athletes from any unexpected inclination they might have towards doping.

http://www.lasprovincias.es/rc/20130721/deportes/mas-deportes/detenido-ciclista-jesus-risueno-201307210022.html

http://www.leonoticias.com/frontend/movil/El-Dopaje-Salpica-Al-Atletismo-vn151482-vst250

Relaci?n de las principales operaciones desarrolladas en Espa?a contra el dopaje en la ?ltima d?cada [Account of the principal antidoping operations ran in Spain in the last decade]

La operaci?n "Jimbo" que se ha desarrollado contra el tr?fico de sustancias dopantes, con al menos 10 personas detenidas, entre ellas el excampe?n de Europa de 3.000 m. obst?culos Antonio Jim?nez Pentinel, es la tercera de estas caracter?sticas en lo que va de a?o. Las dos anteriores se desarrollaron de forma paralela.

En la operaci?n "Turia", en Valencia, la Polic?a detuvo a 20 personas. Este grupo ten?a entre sus integrantes al ciclista de elite Jes?s Risue?o, detenido en julio de 2013. Se les intervino m?s de 200.000 dosis de sustancias dopantes, m?s de 600 recetas de medicamentos y se inspeccionaron 15 farmacias y dos centros sanitarios. La investigaci?n se inici? en julio de 2013.

En la segunda operaci?n, denominada "H?rcules", la Polic?a arrest? en Alicante a 20 personas, a las que se les intervino 1,7 kilos de speed y 600 plantas de marihuana en la localidad de Busot. La fase final de esta investigaci?n se produjo al conocerse que se estaba preparando el inminente secuestro de un deudor. Adem?s, se dedicaban al tr?fico de dopantes procedentes de Grecia y China.

Relaci?n de las principales operaciones desarrolladas en Espa?a contra el dopaje en la ?ltima d?cada:
2004

- En marzo se desmantel? en el marco de la operaci?n "Maza" una red internacional dedicada a la comercializaci?n ilegal de anabolizantes. Fueron detenidas 14 personas (Madrid, Valencia, Alicante, Granada, Almer?a y C?diz) y se incautaron m?s de 500.000 dosis.

- La operaci?n "Gamma" se desarroll? en dos fases, una a finales de junio y la segunda dos semanas despu?s, en las que se detuvieron a 21 y 126 personas, respectivamente.
2005

- En mayo, en la operaci?n "Mamut" fueron detenidas 70 personas, en 13 provincias, relacionadas con una red europea que ten?a previsto la distribuci?n de m?s de 30 millones de dosis de anabolizantes, esteroides y hormonas. La operaci?n la dirigi? la Audiencia Nacional y se desarticularon 6 laboratorios.
2006

- El 23 de mayo se desarroll? la operaci?n "Puerto", la mayor redada de la historia espa?ola contra el dopaje en el deporte, en la que la Guardia Civil descubri? en Madrid un laboratorio con grandes cantidades de bolsas de sangre almacenada y aparatos de an?lisis.

- En la operaci?n, desarrollada antes de la entrada en vigor de la Ley Antidopaje en Espa?a, fueron detenidos el m?dico Eufemiano Fuentes, el entonces director deportivo del equipo ciclista Liberty Seguros, Manuel Saiz, y el directivo del equipo Comunidad Valenciana Ignacio Labarta, entre otros.

- En julio, la Polic?a Nacional detuvo a 10 personas en Arucas (Gran Canaria), en la operaci?n "Platanera", por pertenencia a una red de distribuci?n de coca?na y anabolizantes.

- A comienzos de noviembre de ese mismo a?o se desarroll? la segunda fase de la operaci?n con la detenci?n de 18 personas en Gran Canaria, de ellas 8 de origen colombiano.
2007

- Dentro de la denominada "Primo", la Polic?a Nacional desarticul? a mediados de junio una red que se dedicaba a la venta y distribuci?n, en gimnasios y por Internet, y fueron detenidas 12 personas, entre ellas dos farmac?uticos de Barcelona y Granada.

- En diciembre, dentro de la llamada "Universo", la Guardia Civil detuvo a 18 personas en Madrid, Girona, Zaragoza, Albacete, Murcia, Cantabria y C?diz. Fueron intervenidas 1.800.000 dosis y entre los detenidos se encontraban exdeportistas destacados en el mundo del culturismo.
2008

- En septiembre, en la llamada "Pantxi", eran detenidas 15 personas, entre ellas Emilio Mart?nez, seleccionador nacional de culturismo y presidente de su Federaci?n en Valencia, y otras personas relevantes en este deporte, en las provincias de Alicante, Valencia, La Coru?a y Madrid.
2009

- En noviembre, en la operaci?n "Grial", se detuvo a una docena de personas por su relaci?n con una red en las provincias de Barcelona, Valencia, Murcia y Granada. Entre los implicados figuraba el atleta granadino "Paquillo" Fern?ndez, subcampe?n ol?mpico de marcha en Atenas 2004.
2010

- En abril se desarroll? la conocida operaci?n "Galgo". La Guardia Civil se incaut? productos dopantes, bolsas con sangre y material cl?nico para la realizaci?n de transfusiones, y detuvo a 14 personas, entre ellas la atleta Marta Dom?nguez -qued? en libertad tras declarar casi 8 horas-, su entrenador C?sar P?rez, el t?cnico Manuel Pascua y el m?dico Eufemiano Fuentes.
2011

- En mayo de 2011, en la operaci?n "Dama" se desarticul? una red internacional que operaba en Espa?a. Se detuvo en Alicante a 26 personas, entre ellas el director de un club ciclista, y se incautaron m?s de 700.000 dosis y m?s de 10.000 hormona del crecimiento.

- En diciembre la Guardia Civil detuvo en la operaci?n "M?ster" a 18 personas e imput? a otras 11 como integrantes de una red de prescripci?n y suministro entre deportistas. Las detenciones se desarrollaron en Valencia, Cantabria, Sevilla y Barcelona.
2012

- En marzo en la operaci?n "Skype", entre la Polic?a y los Mossos d'Esquadra, se detuvo a 11 personas en Catalu?a y en Madrid.

- Las primeras investigaciones se produjeron en el verano de 2011 a ra?z de las colaboraciones con la Polic?a del ciclista David Garc?a, del Xacobeo, tras dar positivo por EPO en 2009, y del atleta Jos? Luis Blanco, positivo por EPO en 2010.

- En junio, en la operaci?n "Kit", en Vizcaya y Cantabria se detuvieron a 16 personas por tr?fico de sustancias, en colaboraci?n de la Polic?a de Ruman?a, donde se inici? la operaci?n.

- En diciembre, la Guardia Civil detuvo a m?s de 40 personas en 13 provincias. Entre los detenidos estaban unos farmac?uticos de Luena (Cantabria) y un importante empresario del mundo del culturism
WOW


good luck finding one operation were no cyclists were involved.
also noteworthy that at least two operations eventually led to suicides of implicated people. (Alberto Leon in the case of Galgo)

http://www.lasprovincias.es/rc/20130721/deportes/mas-deportes/detenido-ciclista-jesus-risueno-201307210022.html

in many cases the operations didn't lead to any convictions because of lacking antidoping laws in spain. So many of those who initially got busted were then set free. Probably saw the light after that.

Also, from what I could tell from cursory reading of a couple of cases:
- several busts related to people in and around Valencia/Girona/Barcelona.
- colombians not rarely involved
 
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Dear Wiggo said:
Your slab of Spanish text seems overkill and completely illegible.
Spanish anti-doping operations from 2004-2014.
in chronological order:

operaci?n "Maza"
operaci?n "Gamma"
operaci?n "Mamut"
operaci?n "Puerto"
operaci?n "Platanera"
operaci?n "Primo"
operaci?n "Universo"
operaci?n "Pantxi"
operaci?n "Grial"
operaci?n "M?ster"
operaci?n "Skype"
operaci?n "Kit"
operaci?n "Jimbo"
operaci?n "Turia"
operaci?n "H?rcules"
 
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http://www.marca.com/en/2015/03/14/en/more_sports/1426349605.html?a=GI75a53dd685b6792cea4c33f728cb696dd&t=1426414159

More Marta Domínguez crazy crap

The Spanish Athletics Fed (where she used to be vice president) cleared her in a bio passport case. Now she is using the Spanish courts to get the suspisious blood data the bio passport case is built on stricken from record.
Spain's High Court has decided that Spain's sporting authorities should deal with the appeal launched by Marta Domínguez following her acquittal on doping charges, and not the international governing body.

The athlete is asking that the biological data collated in her doping file be struck from record.

The International Athletics Federation (IAAF) is investigating Marta Domínguez over discrepancies in her biological passport during the height of her sporting success when she won the world 3,000m steeplechase title in Berlin back in 2009.
 
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All this anger directed at Spain.....

In the Netherlands we have a guy called Erik Breukink who together with Michael Boogerd bought a national championship on television and was then judged to be accomplice of Michael Rasmussen whereabouts fraud.

He just started a new team together with Boogerd. The fantastically anti-doping Dutch sport governing bodies did... absolutely nothing. Oh and the UCI? No problem, licence granted!

I'd rather see all those police actions we see in Spain than the disgusting silence from the northwestern countries... who then point their fingers at Spain. The hypocrisy is thick.
 
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Franklin said:
All this anger directed at Spain.....

In the Netherlands we have a guy called Erik Breukink who together with Michael Boogerd bought a national championship on television and was then judged to be accomplice of Michael Rasmussen whereabouts fraud.

He just started a new team together with Boogerd. The fantasticcally anti-doping Dutch sport governing bodies did... absolutely nothing. Oh and the UCI? No problem, licence granted!

I'd rather see all those police actions we see in Spain than the disgusting silence from the northwestern countries... who then point their fingers at Spain. The hypocrisie is thick.
all correct.

my point related to the claim that cycling is now clean(ER) and the anger from Garmin and Sky riders about the CIRC report. If you look at those police actions in Spain you see cyclists are always involved. Then you realize how many teams are based and do trainingcamps in Spain, Canaries, etc. So while I agree that the police actions are a good thing, they make a mockery of the claim that cycling has just 'cleaned itself up' at some point in the recent past, the way Vaughters and the gang continuously claim.
 
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@Roundabout, as there are riders even dragged out of Gran fondos it sure beats what other countries are doing. Indeed Italy and Spain are the only counttries who seem to be doing anything!

I'm not saying Spain is hunky-dory, far from it, but there seem to be at least some forces attacking the vested interests. In the Netherlands and Belgium it's all swept under the rug as soon as it goes near it's own countrymen.

To drive this one down with Thor's hammer: Last time the Netherlands were as good in sport as we are now was from 88-90 (Football, Skating, Athletics, Cycling). And lo and behold... since 2010 we are once again kicking arse again at an international level at a whole range of sports.

As it's rather well documented the 80iees boom was due to pioneering Epo I have ZERO faith in the current golden age. If we have skating Coach Kemkers, Athletic advisor Kraaijenhof, Doping Expert Kuipers.. you know the reason for success.

And yeah, our NOC, KNAU, KNWU, KNVB know this as well as I do (considering they employed these guys!). Indeed, I'd say our governmment should have enough reasons to act right now (hello Erik Breukink)... but they only care for success and prestige.
 
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We do not disagree there. But it's also much better as what other countries are doing.

So the hate on Spain when it's doing much more as other countries is quite hypocritical.
 
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Franklin said:
We do not disagree there. But it's also much better as what other countries are doing.

So the hate obn Spain when it's doing much more as other countries is quite hypocritical.
Maybe Ms. Dominguez paid to never test positive? It's not like the IAAF decides it's okay to take a payment from a Russian and refuses for a Spaniard.

As long as it isn't football, it's going to be 'that sport, not the one I like.'.

Besides, thanks to the Fuentes trial we know the good doctor was ready to discuss football if things did not go well for him. We also found out the government was approving banned substances for use by Fuentes strictly as experiments... Any evidence there was research? Of course not!!

So the doping really is a matter of national pride regardless of the boundaries.
 
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When Marta Dominguez was cleared by her national federation IAAF said they would take the case to CAS. That was in March 2014.

The case hasn't turned at CAS, probably because she is trying to have the incriminating passport data stricken through Spanish courts. The data is part of the bio passport profile of here, based on IAAFs tests of her.

She's already sailed through Puerto and Galgo, so why should IAAFs bio passport be unbeatable?

 
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neineinei said:
When Marta Dominguez was cleared by her national federation IAAF said they would take the case to CAS. That was in March 2014.

The case hasn't turned at CAS, probably because she is trying to have the incriminating passport data stricken through Spanish courts. The data is part of the bio passport profile of here, based on IAAFs tests of her.

She's already sailed through Puerto and Galgo, so why should IAAFs bio passport be unbeatable?

good reminder.
Marta went on to become vice-president of the RFEA with the help of Odriozola.
Odriozola is still president of the RFEA.
Considers himself a 'victim' of Op. Galgo.
http://www.elmundo.es/elmundo/2010/12/17/castillayleon/1292574873.html
"Odriozola forced me to go train with Pascua [doping coach implicated in GALGO] against my will"

Spain no different from Russia here.
 
Something else that the Spain haters should understand in terms of why so many cyclists train in the Southern European country.................uh it´s south and warmer, more temperate, better place to train than rainy, windy and or snowy northern European countries. To get quality miles/Kms cyclists go south. Sure it is about drugs for some, but there are other reasons. If anyone here has cycled in Mallorca, you know what a cycling paradise it is. The same with any of the Canary Islands, except maybe Fuerteventura , which is a touch too windy. In any case, it´s not 100% black or white. Oh yeah, Girona may not be far south, but it´s beautiful and is close to the mtns for serious training. A nice place to live for a cyclist who needs to be on the European continent and doesn´t want to be in freezing cold Belgium.
 
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Tangled Tango said:
Something else that the Spain haters should understand in terms of why so many cyclists train in the Southern European country.................uh it´s south and warmer, more temperate, better place to train than rainy, windy and or snowy northern European countries. To get quality miles/Kms cyclists go south. Sure it is about drugs for some, but there are other reasons. If anyone here has cycled in Mallorca, you know what a cycling paradise it is. The same with any of the Canary Islands, except maybe Fuerteventura , which is a touch too windy. In any case, it´s not 100% black or white. Oh yeah, Girona may not be far south, but it´s beautiful and is close to the mtns for serious training. A nice place to live for a cyclist who needs to be on the European continent and doesn´t want to be in freezing cold Belgium.
I don't think anyone here hates Spain. A lot of negative things are being written, but it's not meant to insult your country or your people as a whole. However, legitimate questions, concerns, and critiques are being voiced.

I agree (and no one disagrees) with you that Spain, Portugal, Italy, or Greece are better cycling training grounds year round than northern Europe, and your comment about Gerona is spot on. If you live in this area, there's a nasty climb in nearby Canyelles, that goes from the shore to the top overlooking the bay: nasty, nasty climb. The night club is not bad either :cool:

In any case, the fact is that Spain has been a doping paradise for 20+ years, that Spain has gone from a mid-level athletic country to a quasi-superpower almost overnight, and (not specific to Spain as Franklin noted) that national pride matter more than anti-doping.

When Noah made his comments about the Spaniards (football, basketball, tennis) using "magic potion", the Spaniards (media, public,officials) jumped on him. Here are some of the reactions:

Alejandro Blanco, Prez of The Spanish OC: "it is hard work that is the key to success".

FC Barlelona's Coach Guardiola: "Either he shows proofs, or he shuts up".

Textbook Armstrong :D
 
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indeed.

and girona might be a great place to live and train, but if I'd insist on running a clean team (and even dedicated my life to that) I'd take my riders to places less known for PED trafficking and doping doctors.
nobody should be surprised garmin have their base in ex-USPS territory.
Vaughters, White, Lim, Weltz.
do the math.
 

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