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Elections for 2020 olympic host is on.
Madrid somewhat surprisingly eliminated in first round.
Nadal was one of the campaign's flagbearers.
Too few brown envelopes or might this actually be a doping-related decision?
 
sniper said:
Elections for 2020 olympic host is on.
Madrid somewhat surprisingly eliminated in first round.
Nadal was one of the campaign's flagbearers.
Too few brown envelopes or might this actually be a doping-related decision?
Dude, the olympics get chosen by the IOC comittee. Half the people on the comitee were major dopers.
 
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Netserk said:
Perhaps they didn't want to see a Barcelona 2.0
The Hitch said:
Dude, the olympics get chosen by the IOC comittee. Half the people on the comitee were major dopers.
true.

the topic of doping was on the table though
El punto débil de España, una vez más, fue la lucha contra el dopaje. Los miembros del COI preguntaron por la Operación Puerto. Y Alejandro Blanco, presidente del COE, respondió: “Hemos tenido un problema por haber endurecido la ley para perseguir a los deportistas y a los que comercian”.
http://deportes.elpais.com/deportes/2013/09/07/actualidad/1378574481_753740.html

but i agree that other factors were probably more decisive.

burning said:
So, Turkey will easily win the vote?
:D
hehe.
well, yeah, turkey is an interesting case. they're not having any particular golden age of sports, like spain is having.
Indeed many recent positives in turkey, but apparently their doping hasn't been paying off for them like it is paying off for other big first world countries like, say, spain, brittain, germany, russia, usa, china.
the proper masking of doping is still an art, and turkey don't seem to master it.
 
Oficially in the media, everyone in the world was alwasy clean apart from Ben Johnson, Lance Armstrong and those East Germans.

The media is outraged by even the slightest hint that athletes would ever dare dope. Its so against the athletic spirit.

Unoficially, ie , in real life, its a closed vote. A group of individuals decide privately. This group is known to contain loads of hypocrites and is likely to be very corrupt.

These individuals are not going to look at Nadal- an athlete that has never been banned even, and say - oh i dont want to give it to a doper, then give it to the capital of Turkey which had its own drug scandals recently.

Outside of the clinic few people care about doping and no one is ever going to see Nadal in a bad light for it. Not until he gets caught with 10kg of epo and confesses on camera.
 
I guess whoever pays most gets the olympics, It shouldn't be hard to bribe 50ish guys to vote for you, considering that everybody is eager to spend a lot of money for stuff which are going to be useless 2 weeks later than olympics.
 
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agree with hitch and burning of course.

but IOC will at least be selling this as a victory for anti-doping.
All three candidates have had to answer questions about doping, apparently, and Tokio were stressing the zero positive japanese olympic athletes in 2012.
And the Spanish press themselves think the defeat is in a large part due to their lousy anti-doping reputation.
http://deportes.elpais.com/deportes/2013/09/07/actualidad/1378574481_753740.html
http://deportes.elpais.com/deportes/2013/09/07/actualidad/1378568173_393048.html

Dos preguntas de los integrantes del COI han destapado el punto débil de la candidatura: una general, sobre qué esfuerzos va a hacer España para evitar escándalos como los de años anteriores, y otra más concreta y dañina sobre la Operación Puerto, "cuyas bolsas de sangre se destruyeron sin saberse a quiénes pertenecían".
is it true that the bloodbags have already been destroyed?
 
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I knew some people involved in Atlanta's successful bid to get the Olympics. The children of lots of voters later all managed to get into some very good US universities ... It's all about who pays the most and who meets the IOC's ($$$) needs. Spain's bidders believed themselves to be big time, but when you have %25+ unemployment and you talk about how big time you are, nobody pays much attention. Also image matters. Spain is seen as the land of dopers. The IOC went the safe route, and the route with access to the growing Asian market.
 
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Bobito said:
I knew some people involved in Atlanta's successful bid to get the Olympics. The children of lots of voters later all managed to get into some very good US universities ... It's all about who pays the most and who meets the IOC's ($$$) needs. Spain's bidders believed themselves to be big time, but when you have %25+ unemployment and you talk about how big time you are, nobody pays much attention. Also image matters. Spain is seen as the land of dopers. The IOC went the safe route, and the route with access to the growing Asian market.
Yeah, 7 years ought to be enough time to get that nasty radiation leak taken care of :eek:

:p
 
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sniper said:
agree with hitch and burning of course.

but IOC will at least be selling this as a victory for anti-doping.
All three candidates have had to answer questions about doping, apparently, and Tokio were stressing the zero positive japanese olympic athletes in 2012.
And the Spanish press themselves think the defeat is in a large part due to their lousy anti-doping reputation.
http://deportes.elpais.com/deportes/2013/09/07/actualidad/1378574481_753740.html
http://deportes.elpais.com/deportes/2013/09/07/actualidad/1378568173_393048.html


is it true that the bloodbags have already been destroyed?
No, they are still in storage, awaiting the appeals to be heard and completed.
Not sure if there is an appeal against the destruction order or not.
 
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GreasyMonkey said:
No, they are still in storage, awaiting the appeals to be heard and completed.
Not sure if there is an appeal against the destruction order or not.
There is. Several bodies have appealed it. Don't know when the appeal is scheduled to be heard.
 
BroDeal said:
Every country that fails to get the Olympics should declare a national holiday to celebrate so much money being saved.
To be honest, Madrid came with a reasonable budget but Turkish goverment seems to be lost their mind, they are eager to spend 20billion $ for virtually nothing :eek:
 
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GreasyMonkey said:
No, they are still in storage, awaiting the appeals to be heard and completed.
Not sure if there is an appeal against the destruction order or not.
ok thanx. so the article got it wrong.
and hope still lives.
 
BroDeal said:
Every country that fails to get the Olympics should declare a national holiday to celebrate so much money being saved.
But in return the country gets their mediocre athletes magically turn into world beaters just in time for said olympics and the entire country gets to spend the next 4 years talking about how they are evolutionarily superior to all other nations on the planet.

Studies show that the olympics in London made the entire country healthier and raised the country's life expectancy.

Can't put a price on that.
 
The Hitch said:
But in return the country gets their mediocre athletes magically turn into world beaters just in time for said olympics and the entire country gets to spend the next 4 years talking about how they are evolutionarily superior to all other nations on the planet.
I don't remember that happening to Greece :confused:
 
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burning said:
To be honest, Madrid came with a reasonable budget but Turkish goverment seems to be lost their mind, they are eager to spend 20billion $ for virtually nothing :eek:
With a low budget, there is less companies that have interest to get the Olympics, so that means less bribes. No good for that candidat !
 
sniper said:
Elections for 2020 olympic host is on.
Madrid somewhat surprisingly eliminated in first round.
Nadal was one of the campaign's flagbearers.
Too few brown envelopes or might this actually be a doping-related decision?
Generally speaking, yes. Not enough funds bundled into the bid for the IOC to skim. My limited reading of the situation was Spain/Barcelona was selling the fact most stuff the IOC wants is done. The other thing I read was the IOC likes brand-new facilities. Some of them contribute to world-record times as much as the doping.

FWIW, the IOC did not give the social unrest related to forcing most citizens to pay for international sporting events they probably cannot afford attending in Turkey or Brasil a second thought.
 

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