Astana rider details Contador's doping practices

[Aguirre]

Amazing.

In 2010, someone comes along suggesting we look beyond out glasses to the truth that blood doping doesn't exist.

I'm not denying there is doping! But if you believe all riders are on doping, why then you even look at the sport?

Cycling is now cleaner than during the EPO period.

 

[Eyeballs Out]

Nice.

First of all, no one said he was microdosing blood, clenbuterol, or any combination thereof...

There were two points made: the first was that there was some clenbuterol left in his system at some period between the Dauphine' and Le Tour. No mention of how it was introduced into his system, when, or where.

Second, in order to create as little variation in his passport values (as would be expected as a result of making a deposit), the blood was removed in smaller (150ml) amounts, rather than all 450 ml at one time.

There was micro drawing, not microdosing.

Presumably it would be both microdrawing and microdosing in order to pass the passport ?

 

[thehog]

Well I hope Cyclingnews feels stupid. Humo is a parody magazine. They made up the story!

Humo is a popular flemish satirical magazine in Belgium. On 5 Nov 2008
it was ordered to withdraw all copies of the 4 Nov 2008 edition from
Belgium shops, due to the referenced satirical image (the black
redactions are part of the mo.

 

[hrotha]

Concerning when blood is taken out for the tour. Several other of the doping threads have documented quite well that the shelf life for blood is between 35-42 days. A withdraw at the time frame in question would be correct based on the these consideration.

Thanks. So did I dream up the bit about riders drawing blood early in the season, or do they do it only if they're going for Paris-Nice, the classics, etc?

 

[Aguirre]

Presumably it would be both microdrawing and microdosing in order to pass the passport ?

amazing to see how almost everybody here seems to have study medicine or pharmacy.

 

[thehog]

http://9gag.com/gag/724

Making fun of 9/11. Tut tut.

 

[Berzin]

Well I hope Cyclingnews feels stupid. Humo is a parody magazine. They made up the story!

Hog, is this true?

 

[Anonymous]

then there is a contradiction, the headline says at criterium Dauphine Liberé, then the witness says "in between Dauphine and the Tour", that means, once contador was training hard in Navacerrada, was this insider a free spirit able to
follow Contador across time and space?

Cyclingnews looks more and more a "pink media".

I first read it on velonation
http://www.velonation.com/News/ID/5...-transfusion-prior-to-the-Tour-de-France.aspx

which seems a much more accurate translation/article

CN have as someone says, very badly translated or embellished. Glaring innacuracies as usual :/ Sort it out CN.

 

[Aguirre]

Humo is a popular flemish satirical magazine in Belgium. On 5 Nov 2008
it was ordered to withdraw all copies of the 4 Nov 2008 edition from
Belgium shops, due to the referenced satirical image (the black
redactions are part of the mo.

good reported, previously someone said he reads Humo from ten years and that is serious stuff... A quick look to the web reveals... is not!!!!! of whatever that people understands for "serious"

 

[thehog]

Hog, is this true?

Yes it's true. They're taking the p1ss. VeloNation ran with it thinking it was real then CyclingNews picked it up without running it's checks.

Susan can you please pull the story? The damage has been done.

 

[Aguirre]

Velonation and Cyclingnew showing how "serious" they are...

 

[L29205]

Thanks. So did I dream up the bit about riders drawing blood early in the season, or do they do it only if they're going for Paris-Nice, the classics, etc?

Correct, early withdraws for use in early target races.

 

[jilbiker]

I'm not denying there is doping! But if you believe all riders are on doping, why then you even look at the sport?

Cycling is now cleaner than during the EPO period.

Because beyond doping, there is a unique human element that separates athletes. LA for the allegations was an outstanding and committed sportsman, spending the hours training while Jan has having a german lager. Same with AC, same with bodybuilders, same with your 100m flyers. Blood and sweat, hardwork and intelligence. Thats what we watch, no drug or drugs can give you the gold. I like what one bodybuilder said, "if drugs did it all then I might as well sit in front of my TV and all the muscles will magically appear and I inject".

I in no way condone juicing, but its old news now, else turn off the TV for sports. I look at track and field, tennis, cricket, squash etc, all of them, at least the top ones.

 

[Aguirre]

serious Humo, or, smoke

http://www.absolutetips.com/provocative-advertisements-by-humo/

 

[thehog]

CyclingNews can expect a letter by the morning. Very disappointing than ran the story without checking.

 

[hrotha]

Correct, early withdraws for use in early target races.

I see, thanks again.

 

[Aguirre]

CyclingNews can expect a letter by the morning. Very disappointing than ran the story without checking.

they even followed information coming from Germany without checking..., this is how the media industry (spectacularized media) fabrics the TRUTH

 

[nicholaaaas]

Assuming the insider (cough Navarro) is correct could all the forum bull-winkles who said Clen could never be micro-dosed please come forward.

Thank you, that is all.

where's the article indicate that he was micro-dosing clen?

 

[Aguirre]

there is not such article, just HUMO's fable and then the interpretation given in this forum... that's all

 

[The Hitch]

CyclingNews can expect a letter by the morning. Very disappointing than ran the story without checking.

This forum is the best place to get cycling news. Nothing else can be trusted. Especially not cycling news.

 

[Mich78BEL]

Humo is a popular flemish satirical magazine in Belgium. On 5 Nov 2008
it was ordered to withdraw all copies of the 4 Nov 2008 edition from
Belgium shops, due to the referenced satirical image (the black
redactions are part of the mo.

they're really not a parody or a satirical magazine, they have one section in the back (2-3 pages) that is all about satirical humour, they always do plenty of serious stuff

 

[Berzin]

Yes it's true. They're taking the p1ss. VeloNation ran with it thinking it was real then CyclingNews picked it up without running it's checks.

Susan can you please pull the story? The damage has been done.

I hope you don't think I was doubting your knowledge, it's just that this was such shell-shocking news that I'm not sure what to think.

Thanks.

 

[Mich78BEL]

Yes it's true. They're taking the p1ss. VeloNation ran with it thinking it was real then CyclingNews picked it up without running it's checks.

Susan can you please pull the story? The damage has been done.

Have you ever read Humo?

Again don't believe what you read on Wikipedia...

They wouldn't run articles like this to take the ****.

If you don't know the magazine you really shouldn't comment on what kind of magazine it iss.

 

[Merckx index]

I thought riders drew blood early in the season in order to get conveniently boosted blood, and therefore that drawing blood during the Dauphiné, while possible because there's enough time to recover, wouldn't be ideal. Am I remembering things wrong, have things changed due to the biological passport, or was Contador simply forced to do it because he miscalculated?

Refrigerated blood is only good for a few weeks. If you want to use blood mid-season that was withdrawn early in the season, you would have to separate red cells from plasma, and freeze them. There was a discussion on this forum a while ago in which it was claimed that most riders don't have the resources to do this. Though if anyone did, it presumably would be Contador.

But IIRC, the blood doping schedules I've seen involve several withdrawal-transfusion cycles, beginning early in the season, but extending several months, with withdrawn blood transfused a few weeks later. So the idea is, you have on hand blood withdrawn several weeks before the Dauphine, and infuse that after the Dauphine (assuming you aren't targeting that race). That way, you recover faster after what amounts to a training ride. Then a little later, you withdraw again, and use that blood for the Tour. IOW, you're in effect using your own body to store blood for withdrawal before the Tour, to get around the problem of limited storage out of the body.

Another option is to micro-dose with EPO after the Dauphine in order to get your HT up quickly for withdrawal. And of course, if you use someone else's blood (homologous transfusion), then you can transfuse any time that the other blood is available. But the test for that makes it unpopular.

 

[Anonymous]

So why is this a joke and not a serious genuine article?