Astana rider details Contador's doping practices

[Squares]

I agree that this is how it should be done. To me the problem is not so much the number of tests or costs per test but rather legal costs that will certainly go through the roof if big names decide to fight all the way.

Does CAS award costs against a losing party?

They did in the FLandis case, I think.

 

[Anonymous]

Funny.
If you use a 500ml bag for 150ml of blood, there will be over 3x the amount of plastisizer in the blood over the same amount of time as a full bag.
Using a 150ml bag will help some, but not a lot. (3) 167ml bags still have greater surface area than 1x500ml.
Not that it really matters, next year they'll have better containers for the blood.

I agree, all GC contenders of the past YEARS should be tested for plasterizers. No excuses, clean up cycling of these dopers. Find the eldest sample by a rider to show the plasterizers, scratch all results since it, demand prize money back, and THEN ban for 2 years onward, preferably starting a day in March.

I like the way you think. There isn't a person at the UCI who has the balls to institute that policy though. No, most are like Galic Ho who would rather not bust anyone because that ruins his Corn Flakestm.

 

[Wallace]

As a side note, since the storage of blood requires only refrigeration (temp recommendation is +4C), not freezing, would there be any reason not to switch to using glass containers? That's how blood used to be stored back in the 1950's before plastic bags were invented - to replace "breakable" glass bottles. The plasticizer test may end up serving a short useful time span since a workaround is already known...

Glass is a lot harder to move around. You can't cut up glass bottles and flush them down the hotel room toilet to get rid of the evidence.

 

[Moose McKnuckles]

I don't believe Shrek has failed any of his blood and **** tests. I believe Contador has.

Neither have Basso, Valverde, and Ulrich.

 

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Glass is a lot harder to move around. You can't cut up glass bottles and flush them down the hotel room toilet to get rid of the evidence.

That's a pretty good point. But I think some creativity could come up with some clever solutions. Such as soft drink container looking thingies.

 

[Benotti69]

i don't know if anyone posted this but if i was riding for Astana next season i would be pretty upset that this story got published as i now imagine that McQuaid is gonna hang them out to dry at every opportunity, they'll be the most tested team next year if the uci's vindictiveness is anything to go by.

 

[Tubeless]

Glass is a lot harder to move around. You can't cut up glass bottles and flush them down the hotel room toilet to get rid of the evidence.

That should not be a problem. After transfusion, just flush the bottles with soap & hot water, fill up with cold water - and place by the bedside table for overnight hydration !

A small 150ml glass bottle, camouflaged with tape over it to look like a sports drink bottle is pretty easy to bring in as well.

 

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That should not be a problem. After transfusion, just flush the bottles with soap & hot water, fill up with cold water - and place by the bedside table for overnight hydration !

A small 150ml glass bottle, camouflaged with tape over it to look like a sports drink bottle is pretty easy to bring in as well.

I can just see Chief Inspector Jacques Clouseau taking a big swig out of the tomato juice bottle in a team's fridge.

 

[Alpe d'Huez]

I agree, all GC contenders of the past YEARS should be tested for plasterizers. No excuses, clean up cycling of these dopers. Find the eldest sample by a rider to show the plasterizers, scratch all results since it, demand prize money back, and THEN ban for 2 years onward, preferably starting a day in March.

I agree completely. The sport is so tainted and damaged at this point, the only way to get any kind of serious respect back is through something extremely thorough, and this would be a very good place to start.

 

[hrotha]

I agree completely. The sport is so tainted and damaged at this point, the only way to get any kind of serious respect back is through something extremely thorough, and this would be a very good place to start.

The only problem is Valverde or Di Luca will win everything afterwards. :\

(just kidding; in theory they both would go down again and be banned for life)

 

[soslow]

T3 too?

The Astana source says AC was also taking the thyroid hormone T3, in addition to the clenbuterol. In one way that makes sense. T3 is a natural human hormone and so may be hard to detect as a doping agent. Is it even banned? T3 legality is somewhat pointless, since the clenbuterol would get AC banned whether the T3 was found or not.

However, the stuff really wigs you out if you take enough. I've taken T3 as part of my thyroid cancer testing. My normal pulse at rest is between 40-50. When I'm on T3 my resting pulse is about 85 I did loose a bunch of weight though. Mainly because I was so hyper and jumping around, and couldn't sleep. I didn't/couldn't ride the whole time I was on it. I was afraid my heart would explode. That just doesn't sound like something someone who is training for the Tour would want to do.

 

[thehog]

The Astana source says AC was also taking the thyroid hormone T3, in addition to the clenbuterol. In one way that makes sense. T3 is a natural human hormone and so may be hard to detect as a doping agent. Is it even banned? T3 legality is somewhat pointless, since the clenbuterol would get AC banned whether the T3 was found or not.

However, the stuff really wigs you out if you take enough. I've taken T3 as part of my thyroid cancer testing. My normal pulse at rest is between 40-50. When I'm on T3 my resting pulse is about 85 I did loose a bunch of weight though. Mainly because I was so hyper and jumping around, and couldn't sleep. I didn't/couldn't ride the whole time I was on it. I was afraid my heart would explode. That just doesn't sound like something someone who is training for the Tour would want to do.

You use T3 to lose weight. It raises heart rate & you literally burn everything - including muscle if you're not careful.

Check the body building forums. They use it with Clen.

 

[soslow]

You use T3 to lose weight. It raises heart rate & you literally burn everything - including muscle if you're not careful.

Check the body building forums. They use it with Clen.

Yeah I lost weight on it, but because I was so strung out on the stuff I couldn't ride and also lost aerobic fitness. Does this sound like something someone prepping for the Tour would do. Clen makes it even worse from what I've seen, but does help maintain muscle. Clen adds the chance that a out of competition surprise test could get AC banned.

Something seems fishy how the claims from the alledged Astana rider fit all the speculation pieces of the puzzle perfectly. It's like the guy was reading this forum and just repeated everything guessed at here.

BTW I don't take T3 to loose weight. I take it to stay alive while prepping for Thyroid cancer screens. After the screen I go back to T4. I would never want to try to live on T3. It's too rough on the body.

 

[thehog]

Yeah I lost weight on it, but because I was so strung out on the stuff I couldn't ride and also lost aerobic fitness. Does this sound like something someone prepping for the Tour would do. Clen makes it even worse from what I've seen, but does help maintain muscle. Clen adds the chance that a out of competition surprise test could get AC banned.

Something seems fishy how the claims from the alledged Astana rider fit all the speculation pieces of the puzzle perfectly. It's like the guy was reading this forum and just repeated everything guessed at here.

BTW I don't take T3 to loose weight. I take it to stay alive while prepping for Thyroid cancer screens. After the screen I go back to T4. I would never want to try to live on T3. It's too rough on the body.

Don't worry I'm with you. The story is a fake. Hence the joke about T3. Some people will believe anything.

I've asked for it to be pulled to no avail.

 

[soslow]

Clen adds the chance that a out of competition surprise test could get AC banned.

Does anyone know, or has anyone heard AC claim that he had an out of competion test between the Dauphine and the Tour?

 

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Don't worry I'm with you. The story is a fake. Hence the joke about T3. Some people will believe anything.

I've asked for it to be pulled to no avail.

Don't worry. If it shows up in wikipedia, that's when it's as good as real.

 

[Anonymous]

Don't worry. If it shows up in wikipedia, that's when it's as good as real.

I wonder if the people who monitor Contador's Wiki are as vigilant as Levi's and Wiggan's people were...not that I had anything to do with altering either...

 

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http://http://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki?search=Alberto+contador

2010 Tour de France

In September 2010, Contador revealed that a urine sample he had given on 21 July, a rest day in the 2010 Tour de France, had contained traces of clenbuterol. He has stated, due to the number of other tests he passed and that only a tiny amount of the substance was detected in the one he failed, that food contamination was to blame.[82] Renowned anti-doping doctor Don Catlin considered this explanation plausible.[83] Contador stated that he is the victim,[84][85] and he can "hold his head high" and that he thinks he should not be punished.[86] Several people related to the sport said that there is little benefit from using the drug, especially in the amounts that were discovered.[87][88][89]

The UCI issued a statement reporting that the concentration was 50 picograms per millilitre, and that this was 400 times below the minimum standards of detection capability required by WADA, and that further scientific investigation would be required. Contador has been provisionally suspended from competition, although this had no short-term effect as he had already finished his racing programme for the 2010 season.[90][91][92] Contador had been informed of the results over a month earlier, on August 24.[93] Later the amount discovered was clarified as 40 times below the minimum standards, rather than the 400 times originally reported by the UCI. Contador's scientific adviser claimed that he would have needed 180 times the amount detected to gain any benefit in his performance.

From berto's wiki page. No mention of the plasticizer test or teammate allegations.

 

[El Pistolero]

http://http://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki?search=Alberto+contador



From berto's wiki page. No mention of the plasticizer test or teammate allegations.

Try and read the discussion page and discover why

Article needs a NPOV or it will lose it's Good Article status.

 

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You think Mcquaid is the primary editor of that page?

 

[El Pistolero]

You think Mcquaid is the primary editor of that page?

The plasticisers claim was in the (Wiki)article for less than an hour (having been placed by an editor who is not, I believe, by any means Anglo-Saxon), and was removed several hours before Cruzado's rant here. The NYT article is here: phrases in it such as "it appears that", "according to a person with knowledge of the test results", "the person, who wanted to remain anonymous" and "the test to detect plasticizers ... is not yet validated for use." While the NYT is probably something that can be considered a reliable source, it should still be read carefully before being cited; the purpose of a newspaper is different from that of an encyclopaedia, and so while breaking news of suspicions is withing the NYTs mission, it does not belong in an encyclopaedia. Kevin McE (talk) 06:13, 6 October 2010 (UTC)

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You're quite the lazy fellow aren't you(the above part aren't my words, but the reason by some of the editors of Conti's page why they deleted the plasticiser claims for the moment).

 

[Mich78BEL]

Don't worry I'm with you. The story is a fake. Hence the joke about T3. Some people will believe anything.

I've asked for it to be pulled to no avail.

thats because there's no reason to pull it, this story seems a lot more realistic then the meat-story

 

[The Hitch]

In fact Contador is the only GT contender who actually does decent at every stage race he enters. The others suck all year long except when they're in a GT.

Alejandro Valverde.

 

[El Pistolero]

Alejandro Valverde.

True, but not on the same winning % then Conti(it must be close to 90% really).

Before you bring in the "But that's just bc Contador is a doper", they're both dopers.

 

[The Hitch]

Before you bring in the "But that's just bc Contador is a doper", they're both dopers.

Valverde is a doper? I had no idea. Here i thought he was just taking a rest to give others a chance.