Astana rider details Contador's doping practices

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here's the original article in flemish
http://www.humo.be/tws/actua/21126/alberto-contador-de-waarheid-over-clenbuterol.html

don't see the publication saying they know the identity of the anonymous insider.

it's one thing to say 'the source asked not to be identified because...' and quite another
'we received information from an anonymous source'. anyone see the difference ?

Edit: Barrus, do you know if the defamation threats from fran have much bite in belgi law ?
 

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here's the original article in flemish
http://www.humo.be/tws/actua/21126/alberto-contador-de-waarheid-over-clenbuterol.html

don't see the publication saying they know the identity of the anonymous insider.

it's one thing to say 'the source asked not to be identified because...' and quite another
'we received information from an anonymous source'. anyone see the difference ?

Edit: Barrus, do you know if the defamation threats from fran have much bite in belgi law ?
I do not know the exact way it works, I just did a quick look.
In the case of laster (closest thing to criminal libel/defamation) the author needs to present evidence, if the law expects them to have evidence. However I would think that considerable breadth is giving to anonymous sources in the press. Mainly because there is also the freedom of press that needs to be taken into account. Journalists their right to anonymous sources, and the protection of these sources is even protected by the European Court of Human Rights.

I could not this quickly find tort-law in Belgium concerning something like this. But still I would think that there is considerable breadth for journalists. Probably something similarto the US that the journalist can only be held accountable if he printed willfully wrong information of which he knew it was wrong. At most, they could be held accountable if the outlet did not perform its due diligence, but again there is the protection of anonymous sources. This would make it extremely difficult for the Contabro's to prove it. Which, as I see it now, with the things I know (which is close to nothing), makes me indicate that the chances that they would start, let alone win a case, very minor, with the latter being almost non-existant


But please keep in mind that I know next to nothing of Belgium Law, and in general criminal, nor private law are specific strong points for me. This was just done by a quick google search and some common knowledge, which is present in most continental legal systems
 
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^^'preciate barrus !

on a different note, who ? who blew the whistle ?

here’s some reasoned speculation after a cuppa espresso cleared my brain.. .

spanish riders on Astana besides berto as of now


De la fuente -was with DL'10 Astana team, heading to Geox
Hernandez- was with DL'10 Astana team
Jufre - ??????, the only Spanish left on astana
Navarro - was with DL'10 Astana team
Noval - was with DL'10 Astana team
Pereiro- ???? retiring
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astana riders at DL’2010

De la fuente - Spanish, is going to Geox
Fofonof - ???????
Hernandez -spanish, went to saxo w/berto
Navarro - went to saxo w/berto
Noval - went to saxo w/berto
Tiralongo - ?????????
Zeits -??????????

If we assume a disgruntled insider team mate theory who was at dauphine libere but not taken with berto to saxo - it’s de la fuente ? or, less likely, jufre ?, who wasn’t at dl but is staying w/astana

If we give credence to ‘why a dutch-speaking source, then it’s
the only duch speaker on Astana, one of their team mechanics Chris VAN ROOSBROECK ?

the italian revenge theory (stupid i must admit) -tiralongo ?

or it's just a fluke to garner more readers cos you can't suffer legal damage ?
 
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python said:
^^'preciate barrus !

on a different note, who ? who blew the whistle ?

here’s some reasoned speculation after a cuppa espresso cleared my brain.. .

spanish riders on Astana besides berto as of now


De la fuente -was with DL'10 Astana team, heading to Geox
Hernandez- was with DL'10 Astana team
Jufre - ??????, the only Spanish left on astana
Navarro - was with DL'10 Astana team
Noval - was with DL'10 Astana team
Pereiro- ???? retiring
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astana riders at DL’2010

De la fuente - Spanish, is going to Geox
Fofonof - ???????
Hernandez -spanish, went to saxo w/berto
Navarro - went to saxo w/berto
Noval - went to saxo w/berto
Tiralongo - ?????????
Zeits -??????????

If we assume a disgruntled insider team mate theory who was at dauphine libere but not taken with berto to saxo - it’s de la fuente ? or, less likely, jufre ?, who wasn’t at dl but is staying w/astana

If we give credence to ‘why a dutch-speaking source, then it’s
the only duch speaker on Astana, one of their team mechanics Chris VAN ROOSBROECK ?

the italian revenge theory (stupid i must admit) -tiralongo ?

or it's just a fluke to garner more readers cos you can't suffer legal damage ?

i imagine the Spanish media are trying very hard to trace the source....if one exists and the story is not a fabrication...
 
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Like I said, when its your hero, you whine like a baby that had his lollipop taken away. Suck it up cowgirl, he cheated and got busted.

I have remained consistent. I give no quarter to any doper, and Contador is Mr. Dope at this point. I also realize they all do it. That means Alberto McClenplasticizer doesn't deserve sanction?

As for me being American. Xenophobia is one of the most pathetically moronic clubs to join, I am guessing you have earned all of the merit badges douchewhistle.

Oh, and I am not sure where you see that I have walked away from Mr. Armstrong's fraudulent Tour wins, but then again, none of your posts have much of a point, so I suffer no surprise that you added another inane comment.

But thanks for attributing the downfall of the Clinic to me. I always wanted to win something...

I like how you think that a plasticizer test should be applied to one rider. You've never been against doping because you hate cheats. Your a vindictive punce standing in the corner poking the next guy who gets caught. Standards and equality mean nothing to your primitive mind. Why isn't the test applied to everyone champ? Why shouldn't it be? Don't answer, you'll simpy show your bias. Do I think someone should be sanctioned for Clenbuterol. No, not 5 picograms that is ****ing pathetic. If I were to be tested right now, I'd be banned for two yeard for taking an allergy tablet. You and your ilk make no distinction to the variables. You apply nearly zero credible application to what is found in tests? If you're against doping...you test all of them for the damn plasticizers. Oh, I forgot...you'd have no sport left to watch and nobody left to pick on when they fall by the wayside. If you are against doping dip****, you test everyone and bust all people. You don't find some brand new, unspecified test and go...hhmmm, due process, **** that, blanket across the board testing, **** that as well. Selective targeting in a yet to be approved testing method, not by the UCI by more importantly WADA is not right (the rider is irrelevant) and does not stop a doping practice being abused. It merely makes a headline and a scapegoat for a time period. Everyone here with brain knows that if you run this supposed plasticizer test, you'd catch lots of people. So why not do it? You're anti-doping and claiming to be consistent. So why not man up and prove it? Why hide behind your pathetic..."they haven't tested positive" denial, so we don't test them. Everyone here knows the top 10 are doping. Catch them all or don't bother. Busting a lot in one go would do wonders for anti-doping...but that isn't what you're about is it. Proof in itself you're a fraud and coward. You masquerade as an anti-doping crusader, but when the crunch comes you're only in it to slag people off.

People like you are parasites and cowards. The funny thing is a guy like Armstrong would wipe the floor of you if you met him in real life. All your loathsome dopers would. Why? Because you're a pussy. Me xenophobic?...no just fed up with American losers littering the globe with their BS. If nobody stand up to the tools America infects the world with, more will follow. Wait, the Aussie dollar will soon pass yours, I might pay a visit and show you and your ilk what real people are like. Void that idea, I might catch something. Europe is far better. Heck, Nth Korea would be more inviting. How do they treat people in your country these days? Still abandoning citizens when their city floods? Enjoy being a born loser you 42 year old yankee chump. America home of the cowardly and mentally challenged...should be a catchy slogan don't you think. TFF style!

To those people here who disagree. I ask you this. How many of you had the gall to come on here in July and sink the boot into Armstrong? I don't particularly like the man but I couldn't sink to that level of behaviour. The guy was down and out, pathetic really and what did some here do? They bagged him and raved on and on. Nothing honourable or dignified there, regardless of what the man had done. Those who did, you're not in the Clinic to campaign against anti-doping. You're here to get your jollies from sledging those in cycling who fall by the wayside. You don't really believe in clean cycling or legal equality. Because if you did you'd apply the same brush to all. People around here say Valverde was dirty...yeah, but according to the UCI he was clean every test. What does that say about the guys beating him and finishing near him? Oh, I forgot...they're clean as well according to the UCI. Circular twisted logic is not rational people. You cannot legally allow those under your influence to race and then turn around and go...hhmmm, one doping incident, everything should be erased from your records despite our protocols saying you were clean. I forgot, being a doper means we can throw the book at you to some people.

Do I think Contador is clean?...hahaha! I think Andy Schleck is a raving doper (amazing rider) and Contador has beaten him every time they've raced. I believe in something you clowns never will. Fairness. As I said, you're like TFF, cowards and hypocrits. You derive pleasure from picking on a select few whose name is in the headlines. Your not here to crusade for equality, for clean cycling, for those doing the right thing to be given a level playing field. You're here to derive your own warped pleasure from others faults.

So TFF, enjoy getting your jollies from this incident. Till the next guy gets caught and thrown to the wolves, enjoy AC guys. At least he is a millionaire. At least he beat other dopers. He'll be back if he's punished. Oh, and whilst I'm at it, he and all the other dopers in all sports will always be better than you, clean or unclean. To everyone here who thinks I'm sticking up for Contador...no, there is far more to the issue than that. Go back and find my first post on the CN sight. You'll find I am very anti-doping. But the doping system right now is wrong. My cold and flu tablet I take for allergies is illegal under WADA code. I'd be banned for two years sitting here typing under WADA code. Pseudoephedrine. There are holes littering the doping process and testing parameters are out of whack. WADA is not all smiles and cookies. When someone explains to me rationally how 5 picograms wins you the TdF, I'll agree. Better yet I'll aks you to explain to someone who has studied measurement systems in detail, what it is you are defining. No diversions to plasticizers and people who may or may not have seen AC dope. Real evidence on the one thing that is concrete. The Clenbuterol. One person who can stand up and say that a pro athlete needs to use an asthma medication to lose weight!

If I took you to my local gym, you'd be in for the shock of your life. At pro-cyclist weight levels, I can tell if I've put on or lost a pound easily. If you're exerting yourself hard every day, you'll lose weight. Eat right, you lose more. A pound or two was mentioned in the articles quoted. You goofballs baying for blood didn't even mention the big weight loss wonder drug. The one Wigans was chomping down like M&Ms. AICAR. You really didn't think half of your ramblings through people. As I said, the Clinic has become a joke. Clenbuterol or AICAR? Hmmnnn. East choice. One wasn't banned till this month. One is super effective, the other at a few picograms is insignificant, especially in the month before a GT! It is laughable.
 
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Okay, that is absolutely ****ing stupid. I don't need to read anything else you write because if you believe that, you cannot be taken seriously about anything.

Yeah, highlight the McQuaid bit. Funny thing is, most people agree this year has been cleaner. The Bio-Passports appear at many levels to be getting tighter and tighter. What did McQuaid say last year? The 2010 Tour would be clean. Give the man credit and stop denying the obvious logic. If things are getting stricter doping wise, then riders are performing closer to an un-augmented level, aka, their natural un-doped ability. Yeah, I'm full of it and cannot be taken seriously! But on the surface, if people want to say things are stricter, that doping is providing less gains, then sadly all those around here who only come here to slag others off, are going to run out of ammunition, because the logic flows that McQuaid is right. Doping providing less gains means the UCI is at least doing something right. Irony is, if they turf Contador, I'll be right again. McQuaid will have done something. Won't that just make your day? What denial in logic will you hold to next to fuel your staunch anti-doping beliefs? Because as you said, you're consistent...you'll follow history and you always slag McQuaid off, even when he does one thing right.
 
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^^'preciate barrus !


If we give credence to ‘why a dutch-speaking source, then it’s
the only duch speaker on Astana, one of their team mechanics Chris VAN ROOSBROECK ?

From the article it's pretty clear that the source is a native dutch speaker, using expressions such as "maar allez!", and very fluent sentences which point to the interview not being translated from another language.
 

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From the article it's pretty clear that the source is a native dutch speaker, using expressions such as "maar allez!", and very fluent sentences which point to the interview not being translated from another language.

The "maar allez!" Either is a translation of the magazine, or it means that the source is Belgian and certainly not Dutch. I have never heard any Dutch person utter such a sentence
 
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Barrus said:
The "maar allez!" Either is a translation of the magazine, or it means that the source is Belgian and certainly not Dutch. I have never heard any Dutch person utter such a sentence

yeah yeah with dutch I meant dutch lagnuage, as spoken in flanders, of course :)
 

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Hematide said:
yeah yeah with dutch I meant dutch lagnuage, as spoken in flanders, of course :)

I realized that, but I wanted non-Dutch speakers to nderstand that those sentences clearly indicate that it is not a person from the Netherlands, but one of our southern neighbours :p
 
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Galic Ho said:
I like how you think that a plasticizer test should be applied to one rider. You've never been against doping because you hate cheats. Your a vindictive punce standing in the corner poking the next guy who gets caught. Standards and equality mean nothing to your primitive mind. Why isn't the test applied to everyone champ? Why shouldn't it be? Don't answer, you'll simpy show your bias. Do I think someone should be sanctioned for Clenbuterol. No, not 5 picograms that is ****ing pathetic. If I were to be tested right now, I'd be banned for two yeard for taking an allergy tablet. You and your ilk make no distinction to the variables. You apply nearly zero credible application to what is found in tests? If you're against doping...you test all of them for the damn plasticizers. Oh, I forgot...you'd have no sport left to watch and nobody left to pick on when they fall by the wayside. If you are against doping dip****, you test everyone and bust all people. You don't find some brand new, unspecified test and go...hhmmm, due process, **** that, blanket across the board testing, **** that as well. Selective targeting in a yet to be approved testing method, not by the UCI by more importantly WADA is not right (the rider is irrelevant) and does not stop a doping practice being abused. It merely makes a headline and a scapegoat for a time period. Everyone here with brain knows that if you run this supposed plasticizer test, you'd catch lots of people. So why not do it? You're anti-doping and claiming to be consistent. So why not man up and prove it? Why hide behind your pathetic..."they haven't tested positive" denial, so we don't test them. Everyone here knows the top 10 are doping. Catch them all or don't bother. Busting a lot in one go would do wonders for anti-doping...but that isn't what you're about is it. Proof in itself you're a fraud and coward. You masquerade as an anti-doping crusader, but when the crunch comes you're only in it to slag people off.

People like you are parasites and cowards. The funny thing is a guy like Armstrong would wipe the floor of you if you met him in real life. All your loathsome dopers would. Why? Because you're a pussy. Me xenophobic?...no just fed up with American losers littering the globe with their BS. If nobody stand up to the tools America infects the world with, more will follow. Wait, the Aussie dollar will soon pass yours, I might pay a visit and show you and your ilk what real people are like. Void that idea, I might catch something. Europe is far better. Heck, Nth Korea would be more inviting. How do they treat people in your country these days? Still abandoning citizens when their city floods? Enjoy being a born loser you 42 year old yankee chump. America home of the cowardly and mentally challenged...should be a catchy slogan don't you think. TFF style!

To those people here who disagree. I ask you this. How many of you had the gall to come on here in July and sink the boot into Armstrong? I don't particularly like the man but I couldn't sink to that level of behaviour. The guy was down and out, pathetic really and what did some here do? They bagged him and raved on and on. Nothing honourable or dignified there, regardless of what the man had done. Those who did, you're not in the Clinic to campaign against anti-doping. You're here to get your jollies from sledging those in cycling who fall by the wayside. You don't really believe in clean cycling or legal equality. Because if you did you'd apply the same brush to all. People around here say Valverde was dirty...yeah, but according to the UCI he was clean every test. What does that say about the guys beating him and finishing near him? Oh, I forgot...they're clean as well according to the UCI. Circular twisted logic is not rational people. You cannot legally allow those under your influence to race and then turn around and go...hhmmm, one doping incident, everything should be erased from your records despite our protocols saying you were clean. I forgot, being a doper means we can throw the book at you to some people.

Do I think Contador is clean?...hahaha! I think Andy Schleck is a raving doper (amazing rider) and Contador has beaten him every time they've raced. I believe in something you clowns never will. Fairness. As I said, you're like TFF, cowards and hypocrits. You derive pleasure from picking on a select few whose name is in the headlines. Your not here to crusade for equality, for clean cycling, for those doing the right thing to be given a level playing field. You're here to derive your own warped pleasure from others faults.

So TFF, enjoy getting your jollies from this incident. Till the next guy gets caught and thrown to the wolves, enjoy AC guys. At least he is a millionaire. At least he beat other dopers. He'll be back if he's punished. Oh, and whilst I'm at it, he and all the other dopers in all sports will always be better than you, clean or unclean. To everyone here who thinks I'm sticking up for Contador...no, there is far more to the issue than that. Go back and find my first post on the CN sight. You'll find I am very anti-doping. But the doping system right now is wrong. My cold and flu tablet I take for allergies is illegal under WADA code. I'd be banned for two years sitting here typing under WADA code. Pseudoephedrine. There are holes littering the doping process and testing parameters are out of whack. WADA is not all smiles and cookies. When someone explains to me rationally how 5 picograms wins you the TdF, I'll agree. Better yet I'll aks you to explain to someone who has studied measurement systems in detail, what it is you are defining. No diversions to plasticizers and people who may or may not have seen AC dope. Real evidence on the one thing that is concrete. The Clenbuterol. One person who can stand up and say that a pro athlete needs to use an asthma medication to lose weight!

If I took you to my local gym, you'd be in for the shock of your life. At pro-cyclist weight levels, I can tell if I've put on or lost a pound easily. If you're exerting yourself hard every day, you'll lose weight. Eat right, you lose more. A pound or two was mentioned in the articles quoted. You goofballs baying for blood didn't even mention the big weight loss wonder drug. The one Wigans was chomping down like M&Ms. AICAR. You really didn't think half of your ramblings through people. As I said, the Clinic has become a joke. Clenbuterol or AICAR? Hmmnnn. East choice. One wasn't banned till this month. One is super effective, the other at a few picograms is insignificant, especially in the month before a GT! It is laughable.

Wow.

You are not only xenophobic but an outright bigot. The highlighted is a disgusting display for all to see.

You must be so proud.
 
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Scott SoCal said:
Wow.

You are not only xenophobic but an outright bigot. The highlighted is a disgusting display for all to see.

You must be so proud.
+1
Lots of anger in that post eh?
Your awake very early for Sunday morning Scott
 
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Galic Ho said:
I like how you think that a plasticizer test should be applied to one rider. You've never been against doping because you hate cheats. Your a vindictive punce standing in the corner poking the next guy who gets caught. Standards and equality mean nothing to your primitive mind. Why isn't the test applied to everyone champ? Why shouldn't it be? Don't answer, you'll simpy show your bias. Do I think someone should be sanctioned for Clenbuterol. No, not 5 picograms that is ****ing pathetic. If I were to be tested right now, I'd be banned for two yeard for taking an allergy tablet. You and your ilk make no distinction to the variables. You apply nearly zero credible application to what is found in tests? If you're against doping...you test all of them for the damn plasticizers. Oh, I forgot...you'd have no sport left to watch and nobody left to pick on when they fall by the wayside. If you are against doping dip****, you test everyone and bust all people. You don't find some brand new, unspecified test and go...hhmmm, due process, **** that, blanket across the board testing, **** that as well. Selective targeting in a yet to be approved testing method, not by the UCI by more importantly WADA is not right (the rider is irrelevant) and does not stop a doping practice being abused. It merely makes a headline and a scapegoat for a time period. Everyone here with brain knows that if you run this supposed plasticizer test, you'd catch lots of people. So why not do it? You're anti-doping and claiming to be consistent. So why not man up and prove it? Why hide behind your pathetic..."they haven't tested positive" denial, so we don't test them. Everyone here knows the top 10 are doping. Catch them all or don't bother. Busting a lot in one go would do wonders for anti-doping...but that isn't what you're about is it. Proof in itself you're a fraud and coward. You masquerade as an anti-doping crusader, but when the crunch comes you're only in it to slag people off.

People like you are parasites and cowards. The funny thing is a guy like Armstrong would wipe the floor of you if you met him in real life. All your loathsome dopers would. Why? Because you're a pussy. Me xenophobic?...no just fed up with American losers littering the globe with their BS. If nobody stand up to the tools America infects the world with, more will follow. Wait, the Aussie dollar will soon pass yours, I might pay a visit and show you and your ilk what real people are like. Void that idea, I might catch something. Europe is far better. Heck, Nth Korea would be more inviting. How do they treat people in your country these days? Still abandoning citizens when their city floods? Enjoy being a born loser you 42 year old yankee chump. America home of the cowardly and mentally challenged...should be a catchy slogan don't you think. TFF style!

To those people here who disagree. I ask you this. How many of you had the gall to come on here in July and sink the boot into Armstrong? I don't particularly like the man but I couldn't sink to that level of behaviour. The guy was down and out, pathetic really and what did some here do? They bagged him and raved on and on. Nothing honourable or dignified there, regardless of what the man had done. Those who did, you're not in the Clinic to campaign against anti-doping. You're here to get your jollies from sledging those in cycling who fall by the wayside. You don't really believe in clean cycling or legal equality. Because if you did you'd apply the same brush to all. People around here say Valverde was dirty...yeah, but according to the UCI he was clean every test. What does that say about the guys beating him and finishing near him? Oh, I forgot...they're clean as well according to the UCI. Circular twisted logic is not rational people. You cannot legally allow those under your influence to race and then turn around and go...hhmmm, one doping incident, everything should be erased from your records despite our protocols saying you were clean. I forgot, being a doper means we can throw the book at you to some people.

Do I think Contador is clean?...hahaha! I think Andy Schleck is a raving doper (amazing rider) and Contador has beaten him every time they've raced. I believe in something you clowns never will. Fairness. As I said, you're like TFF, cowards and hypocrits. You derive pleasure from picking on a select few whose name is in the headlines. Your not here to crusade for equality, for clean cycling, for those doing the right thing to be given a level playing field. You're here to derive your own warped pleasure from others faults.

So TFF, enjoy getting your jollies from this incident. Till the next guy gets caught and thrown to the wolves, enjoy AC guys. At least he is a millionaire. At least he beat other dopers. He'll be back if he's punished. Oh, and whilst I'm at it, he and all the other dopers in all sports will always be better than you, clean or unclean. To everyone here who thinks I'm sticking up for Contador...no, there is far more to the issue than that. Go back and find my first post on the CN sight. You'll find I am very anti-doping. But the doping system right now is wrong. My cold and flu tablet I take for allergies is illegal under WADA code. I'd be banned for two years sitting here typing under WADA code. Pseudoephedrine. There are holes littering the doping process and testing parameters are out of whack. WADA is not all smiles and cookies. When someone explains to me rationally how 5 picograms wins you the TdF, I'll agree. Better yet I'll aks you to explain to someone who has studied measurement systems in detail, what it is you are defining. No diversions to plasticizers and people who may or may not have seen AC dope. Real evidence on the one thing that is concrete. The Clenbuterol. One person who can stand up and say that a pro athlete needs to use an asthma medication to lose weight!

If I took you to my local gym, you'd be in for the shock of your life. At pro-cyclist weight levels, I can tell if I've put on or lost a pound easily. If you're exerting yourself hard every day, you'll lose weight. Eat right, you lose more. A pound or two was mentioned in the articles quoted. You goofballs baying for blood didn't even mention the big weight loss wonder drug. The one Wigans was chomping down like M&Ms. AICAR. You really didn't think half of your ramblings through people. As I said, the Clinic has become a joke. Clenbuterol or AICAR? Hmmnnn. East choice. One wasn't banned till this month. One is super effective, the other at a few picograms is insignificant, especially in the month before a GT! It is laughable.

Wow, your panties really are all bunched up. Reading comprehension is not your forte either. (pssst I advocated for testing every single sample in existence for plasticizers just yesterday, but why let reality get in the way of a really moronic rant?)

I won't bother with refuting anything you wrote, nor defend myself as an American. Your rant is so f**king stupid that it deserves as little commentary as possible, plus I only skimmed it. You deserve ignore an nothing else. Have fun in your ignorant, pathetic little world douchewhistle!
 
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Galic Ho said:
Yeah, highlight the McQuaid bit. Funny thing is, most people agree this year has been cleaner. The Bio-Passports appear at many levels to be getting tighter and tighter. What did McQuaid say last year? The 2010 Tour would be clean. Give the man credit and stop denying the obvious logic. If things are getting stricter doping wise, then riders are performing closer to an un-augmented level, aka, their natural un-doped ability. Yeah, I'm full of it and cannot be taken seriously! But on the surface, if people want to say things are stricter, that doping is providing less gains, then sadly all those around here who only come here to slag others off, are going to run out of ammunition, because the logic flows that McQuaid is right. Doping providing less gains means the UCI is at least doing something right. Irony is, if they turf Contador, I'll be right again. McQuaid will have done something. Won't that just make your day? What denial in logic will you hold to next to fuel your staunch anti-doping beliefs? Because as you said, you're consistent...you'll follow history and you always slag McQuaid off, even when he does one thing right.

Um...the dude who won just got busted for Clen and plasticizers in his blood. I don't know if you heard, so I thought I'd give you a heads-up. Past that, I am pretty sure there were some other people busted in the "Year of the new clean generation." I guess you don't read too much? Don't answer, your ignorance about everything you type illustrates this point time and again. Okay, seriously, you go on ignore now because your follow up to your rant was even dumber. Please don't propagate, the heard needs to cull stupid like you. Toodles!
 
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Galic Ho said:
If nobody stand up to the tools America infects the world with, more will follow.

You do realize you multiplied by zero here, right? Your edumikation system must be flawed down there. Okay, seriously, I have to put you on ignore now because if I don't, I will spend valuable time ripping every word you wrote to shreds, and then your family might read it and stop loving you. I will ignore you because I don't want your family to stop loving you. You can thank me later.
 
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Barrus said:
I realized that, but I wanted non-Dutch speakers to nderstand that those sentences clearly indicate that it is not a person from the Netherlands, but one of our southern neighbours :p

didn't i refer to flemish right away ?;)
 
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Scott SoCal said:
Wow.

You are not only xenophobic but an outright bigot. The highlighted is a disgusting display for all to see.

You must be so proud.

Galic Ho sounds like an inverse Glenn Beck. Just think inversely Scott and you will get it. :D
 
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Wow, your panties really are all bunched up. Reading comprehension is not your forte either. (pssst I advocated for testing every single sample in existence for plasticizers just yesterday, but why let reality get in the way of a really moronic rant?)

I won't bother with refuting anything you wrote, nor defend myself as an American. Your rant is so f**king stupid that it deserves as little commentary as possible, plus I only skimmed it. You deserve ignore an nothing else. Have fun in your ignorant, pathetic little world douchewhistle!
obviously galic ho is right in almost everything so i dont have much more to say.

you guys have no logic\valid arguments at all.

first, you say that all riders are dopers (dope is ilegal, so in theory no one should be doping) without proof but then you say that no farmer is using the old drugs because they are ilegal. this doesnt make sense. if you think that "obviously" a lot of riders are using "drugs" (some arent drugs), the same is applied, in the same way, that farmers are using the famous drug. so contador's theory, can perfectly be the thruth.

the thing is, cycling is much more tested and exposed than meat lol if some country has problems with clen, they will do everything to prevent that to be public. so, when you say something like "no normal person was caught with clen", you should have said "we dont know if lots of normal persons have clen or not in their blood". well, we know what's going on in very expensive restaurant's kitchens. there are cases when people are not clean even in labs etc.

the thing about the plasticizers are BS so far. so please stop talking about it.
fact:contador was caught by a microstupid dose of clen that had no efect on him (at least, positive) so based on this, he wasnt doping (doping isnt just taking drugs (bonen). doping is taking drugs with a goal of make your performances better. at least with clen, he wasnt doping and we have no proof that he used something more).

some of you are pathetic. just because you read something in wiki, you are not scientist and the smartest person in the world. you dont know nothing about doping or about the law. the first law that anyone has to respect is this : good sense. that's how it works. if contador get's a ban bigger than one week and loses is TDF title,it is wrong.

and please dont come with "some riders were banned by the same thing so contador has to be banned!"-- are you guys stupid???????????????????

you should have been saying this----- if contador is banned about this (the clen dose) it is obviously wrong and the rules about this are just badly applied!! where's the good sense? and what about the other riders that were baned?? uci wada etc are just doing sh*t!!!
it isnt right to ban contador.
it wasnt right to ban the other cyclist that were caught with the same thing. and you want to "kill" all of the inocent riders instead of "saving" them?

and uci was just doing what they HAVE TO DO (laws and regulations) when they didnt make this issue a public one.
 
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the plot thickens :D

Lance’s Main Man – Chris Van Roosbroeck
http://www.theroaddiaries.com/?p=411

http://farm3.static.flickr.com/2455/3533715817_fa50b39d1a.jpg
3533715817_fa50b39d1a.jpg

Yes he’s a belgian ‘dutch’ :p


ps: barrus, can you help us get back on topic ?!
 
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@Galic Ho,

Your post was very long -- TLDR -- but the bit TFF highlighted (ie, your comments about Americans) was soooooo bigoted and offensive.

Perhaps I shouldn't be shocked, but sheesh. :eek:
 
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Lorenzo Lapage is also a DS at Astana.
Will be interesting to see if either of these guys gets fired in the off season.

Again, why would an Astana insider violate omerta and basically admit that the team had organized doping (or at least that Contador's doping was known to management and nothing done about it) right now when the bank guarantee was late and the UCI is deciding whether to renew the ProTour license.

This just doesn't make sense. It sounds more like a setup to embarass Astana and/or cause them to lose the PT license, along with helping Berto go down for doping. Killing two birds with one stone, so to speak. Now who would want to do a thing like that? :confused: :eek:
 
Beech Mtn said:
Lorenzo Lapage is also a DS at Astana.
Will be interesting to see if either of these guys gets fired in the off season.

Again, why would an Astana insider violate omerta and basically admit that the team had organized doping (or at least that Contador's doping was known to management and nothing done about it) right now when the bank guarantee was late and the UCI is deciding whether to renew the ProTour license.

This just doesn't make sense. It sounds more like a setup to embarass Astana and/or cause them to lose the PT license, along with helping Berto go down for doping. Killing two birds with one stone, so to speak. Now who would want to do a thing like that? :confused: :eek:
In light of python's revelations, let's wait and see which mechanics go over to RadioShack :p
 
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c&cfan said:
obviously galic ho is right in almost everything so i dont have much more to say.
**snip right here, you make more sense than he does and I assume you are talking about the doping issue, not the anti-American rant***

The problem with small amounts of clen is half-life. A week before somebody could have had a large amount in his system, or in AC's case the drawn blood had traces from an earlier large quantity.

I agree that there should be a limit to get rid of the possibility of contamination by treated livestock. But, that doesn't do away with the fact that a small amount in the test does not mean that is how they got it in their system. So, what to do? Fighting doping within a rigid set of rules is difficult I agree.

Totally agree with the inconsistent argument, if it is being made, that since clen is illegal in livestock then it does not exist. Good analogy about the illegality of PED's vs the riders that use.

Finally, though I see your point I hope you don't believe AC and other prominent riders from the past years do not take PEDs of some sort. Surely you don't believe that, do you? I think most, if not all, of the stars are on some type of program. A French rider was ridiculed in another thread because he spoke out about AC, and he was ridiculed because he had no results. That is probably because he is clean. You can tell alot about the general things riders do in the peloton because of the lack of outrage.
 
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Spare Tyre said:
@Galic Ho,

Your post was very long -- TLDR -- but the bit TFF highlighted (ie, your comments about Americans) was soooooo bigoted and offensive.

Perhaps I shouldn't be shocked, but sheesh. :eek:

Offensive? :D Only to the thin-skinned.

I just look at his posts as an opportunity to engage in a good old-fashioned internet food fight. But, I am on uber-probation now. I live vicariously now thru TFF. :)