Astana

[the asian]

May be Kash and Vino aren't buddies anymore.

Agree with Ferminal. His results indicate he's not on the dope at previous levels.

 

[sniper]

"suspended for failure to agree with the squad's internal regulations"
well then why not keep this internal?
why is he hung out to dry on their website?

Garmin/Sky's perception is reality dogma has arrived in Kazachstan. Who'd have guessed?

He's an easy scapegoat. Are Astana's internal regulations like Sky's in that you should not have had any prior relation to doping? Guess not, as it would put Vino without a job as well..
So what's the deal here?
Kaschetchkin the only one with a conscience at Astana?
Or indeed this:

May be Kash and Vino aren't buddies anymore.

 

[python]

former vp of the kazakhstani cycling (proskurin SP?), 'vino and kash can't be on the same team..'(quoted from memory, not verbatim).

consequences ?

unpredictable...from kash biting his pride again to kash going to town ala landis.

my bet is on the former but i'd put no cash on a wild horse like kash.

 

[taiwan]

Could it be that he failed to agree to pay back his wages if he goes + ?

 

[Ferminal]

Yeh my bet is Vino doesn't trust Kash. Either that or he's refusing to get on the program.

 

[Dear Wiggo]

In this age of transparency, can anyone find, anywhere, any of these internal code of conduct documents? Sky's rider agreement? Astana's code of conduct?

 

[Vino attacks everyone]

It is not like he is getting fired or anything. He just hasnt signed some internal anti - doping contract. It will be signed before the races start, belive me

a non story....

 

[ebandit]

wow

wow! a clean astana...............suddenly the world is a better place

2012 was never going to be the time for the apocalypse but the dawning

of a new age of enlightenment

will astana be winning as many races next year?

 

[Ferminal]

What makes you think they are clean?

 

[Vino attacks everyone]

What makes you think they are clean?

Why shouldnt they be?
except Iglisnkys performance in LBL nothing they have done the whole year can remind anyone of a juiced up team...

 

[Fearless Greg Lemond]

Why shouldnt they be?
except Iglisnkys performance in LBL nothing they have done the whole year can remind anyone of a juiced up team...

LBL and the Amstel were bad enough in my book. Gasparotto also third in LBL, and how about Kiserlovski...

Not mentioning the mountain TT in the Vuelta of course.

But you have some point, they learned how not to overdo it, just forgot that in the Ardennes Classics.

 

[Vino attacks everyone]

LBL and the Amstel were bad enough in my book. Gasparotto also third in LBL, and how about Kiserlovski...

Not mentioning the mountain TT in the Vuelta of course.

But you have some point, they learned how not to overdo it, just forgot that in the Ardennes Classics.

AGR is a race that Gasparotto has done very good in the last couple of years, and when Gilbert was not at his best and no Sagan, well it does not exactly come out of the blue...

Agree that LBL was very strong indeed.

Kiserlovski has had a steady improvement over his whole career. Can't people improve in a sport without being juiced up?

 

[Fearless Greg Lemond]

AGR is a race that Gasparotto has done very good in the last couple of years, and when Gilbert was not at his best and no Sagan, well it does not exactly come out of the blue...

Agree that LBL was very strong indeed.

Kiserlovski has had a steady improvement over his whole career. Can't people improve in a sport without being juiced up?

Okay, my pointing towards Kiserlovsky was not really fair.The other two - Gasparotto and Iglinsky - made me just angry in the Ardennes, okay riders but really, nothing special.

 

[Vino attacks everyone]

Okay, my pointing towards Kiserlovsky was not really fair.The other two - Gasparotto and Iglinsky - made me just angry in the Ardennes, okay riders but really, nothing special.

Gasparotto is a very very very good finsher at the not to hard 700m-1.2km hills. His victory in AGR was no huge suprise (finished third in 2010) and with a Gilbert out of shape(ish) he grabbed his chance

Iglisnky has allways been imensely talented, but also imensely lazy (you could see that on his overweight body this years tour). This year he had pulled himself togheter for the spring classics and did very well from RVV to LBL (I agree that he was on the borderline of suspicious)

 

[neineinei]

It is not like he is getting fired or anything. He just hasnt signed some internal anti - doping contract. It will be signed before the races start, belive me

a non story....

If he'd been riding for Sky he would have gone to Saxo-Tinkoff without his points, or retired for health reasons.

 

[Vino attacks everyone]

If he'd been riding for Sky he would have gone to Saxo-Tinkoff without his points, or retired for health reasons.

Kash does not retire for "health reasons" he is an honorable man that do not let "the man" mess with him. A true hero and role model for everyone.

 

[Fearless Greg Lemond]

Gasparotto is a very very very good finsher at the not to hard 700m-1.2km hills. His victory in AGR was no huge suprise (finished third in 2010) and with a Gilbert out of shape(ish) he grabbed his chance

It would be only fair if you would include his other results at AGR: 39th in 2009/55th at LBL, 35th in 2011/44th at LBL.

Correct me if I am wrong but didnt he start his carreer as a sprinter?

Iglisnky has allways been imensely talented, but also imensely lazy (you could see that on his overweight body this years tour). This year he had pulled himself togheter for the spring classics and did very well from RVV to LBL (I agree that he was on the borderline of suspicious)

Imensely talented? He is a master at disguising his talent then. He did have some decent/good results but there is really nothing to suggest he is able to looke Nibbles look like a schoolboy. Now we are on the subject, what was his preparation for the Ardennes? Tirreno? Vasco where teammate Gasparotto was really in good form?

No wonder Nibali is going to Astana next season, he wants to win LBL.

 

[Ferminal]

Hilly sprinter, not a sprinter sprinter. Big difference. Winning AGR no surprise, surviving with the first big group in L-B-L was.

 

[Fearless Greg Lemond]

After the Keutenberg a lot of Astana's in the Gold was a little surprise in my book. Nevertheless, this one was a real Astana show:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SqLNKoNeK9U

 

[Vino attacks everyone]

It would be only fair if you would include his other results at AGR: 39th in 2009/55th at LBL, 35th in 2011/44th at LBL.

Correct me if I am wrong but didnt he start his carreer as a sprinter?

Hilly Sprinter (like a Freire type guy)

Imensely talented? He is a master at disguising his talent then. He did have some decent/good results but there is really nothing to suggest he is able to looke Nibbles look like a schoolboy. Now we are on the subject, what was his preparation for the Ardennes? Tirreno? Vasco where teammate Gasparotto was really in good form?

Iglisnky was very strong from Strade Bianche to LBL, following the best for a very long time in RVV but had a puncture if i remember correctly, and was very strong in AGR but as we remember had an accident with Cunego and Nordhaug.

2007
1st Kazakhstan Road Race Champion
Critérium du Dauphiné Libéré – 1 stage
2008
1st Mountains classification Tour de Suisse
1 stage and 9th overall, Tour de Romandie
2009
3rd E3 Prijs Vlaanderen
2010
1st Montepaschi Strade Bianche
4th Overall Tirreno–Adriatico
3rd Stage 5
7th Gent–Wevelgem
8th Milan – San Remo
8th Ronde van Vlaanderen
2012
1st Liège–Bastogne–Liège
2nd Strade Bianche

Here is something of what he has done the last years. He has gone from an relatively good mountain domestique (was the guy dragging on Vino in 07 tour) with a good enginge to become heavier and more powerful classics rider. The only suprise with Iglinsky this year was the fact that he actually was training through the whole winter...

 

[will10]

The '07 Dauphine was pretty epic. Vino and Kash dominated the TT, then Vino soft-pedalled up Ventoux leaving Kash overall leader. Not that Astana seemed bothered about defending, as most of the team was up the road for the rest of the race - Colom and Vino go 1-2 the next day, Iglinskiy wins the day after while Kash loses the jersey to Moreau and Vino takes another day off, before making everyone look daft on the last day to pick up another stage win. Every single guy on that team was well and truely prepared for the Tour - to use Lance's words, they were "ready".

 

[Vino attacks everyone]

The '07 Dauphine was pretty epic. Vino and Kash dominated the TT, then Vino soft-pedalled up Ventoux leaving Kash overall leader. Not that Astana seemed bothered about defending, as most of the team was up the road for the rest of the race - Colom and Vino go 1-2 the next day, Iglinskiy wins the day after while Kash loses the jersey to Moreau and Vino takes another day off, before making everyone look daft on the last day to pick up another stage win. Every single guy on that team was well and truely prepared for the Tour - to use Lance's words, they were "ready".

Then Vino ****ed it up on some sprinter stage... Think of how the cycling world would look today without that damn fall.

 

[Gregga]

The '07 Dauphine was pretty epic. Vino and Kash dominated the TT, then Vino soft-pedalled up Ventoux leaving Kash overall leader. Not that Astana seemed bothered about defending, as most of the team was up the road for the rest of the race - Colom and Vino go 1-2 the next day, Iglinskiy wins the day after while Kash loses the jersey to Moreau and Vino takes another day off, before making everyone look daft on the last day to pick up another stage win. Every single guy on that team was well and truely prepared for the Tour - to use Lance's words, they were "ready".

What a junkie's race that 2007 DL.
Astana dominating, then Moreau killing Astana on... Mt Ventoux & Télégraphe !
The french riders were mostly clean these years but Moreau, what a joke.
Thanks to the biopassport we don't see such silly races, but I agree that was not so funny to watch AGL and LBL in 2012... Ferrari's patients I guess.

 

[zlev11]

i dunno, the way Moreau used to routinely be in a good position after a week and a half or so of the Tour and then get dropped once everyone else got their transfusions makes me think he was probably clean. or he only had one BB.

 

[will10]

Then Vino ****ed it up on some sprinter stage... Think of how the cycling world would look today without that damn fall.

Vino would probably have been in yellow when he got popped

Regardless of what Discovery and the Chicken were up to, Vino still got sloppy.

i dunno, the way Moreau used to routinely be in a good position after a week and a half or so of the Tour and then get dropped once everyone else got their transfusions makes me think he was probably clean. or he only had one BB.

In that IM exchange with Andreu, Vaughters said Moreau was clean when they were both at CA - think he said his (Moreau's) hct. was 42.