Astana

[del1962]

yea. It is not like Nibbles is far away from the victory, and Martinelli said last week he still lacks 20ish watts from what he could produce in the mountians in the giro.

I just don't see him winning the worlds though, would have been better to target the Vuelta

 

[maxmartin]

ASTANA spring campaign is not as good as last year, but did pretty damn well in the GTs due to Nibali's effort. Even Fulgsang gave me a pleasant surprise in the Tour!

 

[il_cobra]

three astana riders at world championships race top 10. old school italian doping programs still rocks.

 

[EnacheV]

three astana riders at world championships race top 10. old school italian doping programs still rocks.

yeah

but dopeborgs agree on this, it's common knowledge

 

[Benotti69]

Tanja ‏@bambula 3h
The 2002 CSC doctors deny Chickens allegations. They work today at Saxo Bank and Astana.

http://sporten.tv2.dk/2013-10-30-overblik-her-er-alle-kyllingens-vilde-anklager

 

[del1962]

http://sporten.tv2.dk/2013-10-30-overblik-her-er-alle-kyllingens-vilde-anklager

Any translation in English?

 

[Samson777]

Any translation in English?

The doctor part:

I( the chicken) entered Doctor Piet De Moers room, where Riis and Hamilton allready was. Tyler just got some cortisone and offered me to join him. I agreed. Riis didn't protest. We had a 225 km mountain stage coming. The doctor gave me 0,2 millimeter in the shoulder.

 

[Vino attacks everyone]

http://sporten.tv2.dk/2013-10-30-overblik-her-er-alle-kyllingens-vilde-anklager

Wich only proves that he has had a change of heart and started doing things properly and clean.

 

[Netserk]

The doctor part:

I( the chicken) entered Doctor Piet De Moers room, where Riis and Hamilton allready was. Tyler just got some cortisone and offered me to join him. I agreed. Riis didn't protest. We had a 225 km mountain stage coming. The doctor gave me 0,2 millimeter in the shoulder.

The Astana doctor is Joost de Maeseneer, not Piet de Moers He joined Astana late last year.

http://www.bt.dk/cykling/riis-trofaste-laege-forlader-holdet

 

[thehog]

The doctor part:

I( the chicken) entered Doctor Piet De Moers room, where Riis and Hamilton allready was. Tyler just got some cortisone and offered me to join him. I agreed. Riis didn't protest. We had a 225 km mountain stage coming. The doctor gave me 0,2 millimeter in the shoulder.

Cortisone is a wonder drug and should be legal within limits - which it is under TUE.

Its only when you shoot it in large quantities does it have a detrimental effect. Riders tend to smash up their knees not knowing they’re injured.

 

[The Hitch]

I'm not making any comment on aru himself, the climb wasn't particularly fast or anything though he was very good.
But I noticed that since he woke up today he's identified pantani as his childhood hero, contador as his present one and scarponi as his mentor.

If he continues on this path of Nibali successor that he seems to be set on, dude isn't worried about what people will say in clinic threads, that's for sure.

 

[WillemS]

I'm not making any comment on aru himself, the climb wasn't particularly fast or anything though he was very good.
But I noticed that since he woke up today he's identified pantani as his childhood hero, contador as his present one and scarponi as his mentor.

If he continues on this path of Nibali successor that he seems to be set on, dude isn't worried about what people will say in clinic threads, that's for sure.

He names his childhood heroes, I can't blame him. Pantani is a cycling God in Italy, Contador is still considered, by many, the best GC-rider of the post-Armstrong era, and Scarponi is his teammate.

Sure, he should realize that adopting tainted role models might reflect on his reputation, but he's young and ecstatic after his big win. I think it does show that he doesn't think too much about the clinic issues or doesn't care.

Is he doping? I don't know and this statement doesn't tell us much.

 

[LaFlorecita]

He names his childhood heroes, I can't blame him. Pantani is a cycling God in Italy, Contador is still considered, by many, the best GC-rider of the post-Armstrong era, and Scarponi is his teammate.

Sure, he should realize that adopting tainted role models might reflect on his reputation, but he's young and ecstatic after his big win. I think it does show that he doesn't think too much about the clinic issues or doesn't care.

Is he doping? I don't know and this statement doesn't tell us much.

I completely agree. Nothing wrong with naming his idols.

It reminds me of the time people were upset Contador mentioned Lance as his childhood idol and they said he should have said Indurain what is worse admiring dopers or lying about admiring dopers?

 

[Dazed and Confused]

The climbing at this year's Giro doesn't look alien to me.
Now lets see if anybody steps up after the 3rd rest day.

I'm always interested in getting non PR spin from the riders.

 

[Vino attacks everyone]

I'm not making any comment on aru himself, the climb wasn't particularly fast or anything though he was very good.
But I noticed that since he woke up today he's identified pantani as his childhood hero, contador as his present one and scarponi as his mentor.

If he continues on this path of Nibali successor that he seems to be set on, dude isn't worried about what people will say in clinic threads, that's for sure.

Thats my boy. Keeping it real, and choosing well when it comes to role models and mentors. Add Vino now, and we will se an attack halfway up stelvio tomorrow

 

[Afrank]

I'm not making any comment on aru himself, the climb wasn't particularly fast or anything though he was very good.
But I noticed that since he woke up today he's identified pantani as his childhood hero, contador as his present one and scarponi as his mentor.

If he continues on this path of Nibali successor that he seems to be set on, dude isn't worried about what people will say in clinic threads, that's for sure.

To be fair to Aru, it's pretty hard to find a cycling heroes or name any rider that they looked up to that were top riders and that haven't been implicated in something to do with doping.

 

[The Hitch]

He names his childhood heroes, I can't blame him. Pantani is a cycling God in Italy, Contador is still considered, by many, the best GC-rider of the post-Armstrong era, and Scarponi is his teammate.

Actually he said he admires Contador now.

On Pantani he said not just that its a childhood hero but that Pantani acheived great things and that he isn't close to achieving them. I know some genuine anti dopers who would refuse to ever aknowledge Pantani acheived anything great

I am one who believes that for a problem to be addressed it first needs to be aknowledged, and I have less faith in those who praise known dopers like Contador or Pantani without even aknowledging the reality behind what those riders did.

Someone who looks up to Pantani's on bike achievements isn't particularly anti doping. Its different from saying you looked up to him as a child or that you admired the man.

And yes I do far prefer this attitude to that of the several oft discussed on and off bike figures who would throw Contador or Ricco or Di Luca under the bus with their left hand while holding up other dopers as alleged icons with their right.

And I'm from the clinic crowd that finds that kind of hypocrisy and scapegoating far more emotionally infuriating than the act of doping itself.

If he keeps away from the hypocricy and continues with this open all in the game attitude, he's not going to get much heat from the clinic for the considerable future.

But in 2014, if you are praising dopers as if they had never put a foot wrong can raise people's scepticism levels of you. And its perfectly understandable why that is. Nothing wrong with it whatosever.

 

[The Hitch]

To be fair to Aru, it's pretty hard to find a cycling heroes or name any rider that they looked up to that were top riders and that haven't been implicated in something to do with doping.

Where's this idea of the past tense come from? That he said he looked up to them as a kid.

This is the third or fourth post that talks like that (I'm assuming you were influenced by the previous ones started by Willem and La Flo). Its an interesting sleight of hand that has been performed somewhere but it changes the meaning of what he said.

He didn't say he admired them in the 90's before it was clear they doped.

He was praising them in the here and now- today -2014.

 

[Netserk]

I'm not making any comment on aru himself, the climb wasn't particularly fast or anything though he was very good.
But I noticed that since he woke up today he's identified pantani as his childhood hero, contador as his present one and scarponi as his mentor.

If he continues on this path of Nibali successor that he seems to be set on, dude isn't worried about what people will say in clinic threads, that's for sure.

Whaaaaat? 6.0-6.1 W/kg for 53' is not fast? Sure it was a flat stage before that, though still quite some distance, and it was the last day before the third restday.

 

[The Hitch]

Whaaaaat? 6.0-6.1 W/kg for 53' is not fast? Sure it was a flat stage before that, though still quite some distance, and it was the last day before the third restday.

Wasn't it like 2 3 minutes slower than 99?

Having said that, late 90's were so full ***, even compared to 2000's that one can take away a good minute from any climb speed and it would still be superfast and faster than early -mid 2000 versions.

 

[Netserk]

Yes and Quintana was more than 3 minutes slower than Pantani on Alpe d'Huez. Hardly means it was a slow time.

 

[The Hitch]

Quintana on Alpe was fast considering they did the first ascent at 90%.

On its own that time (about 40 minutes) and yesterday are more like a 6/10 when it comes to suspicious not a 9 like say Bonsacre or Angliru were.

 

[Netserk]

By pVAM Alpe was more suspicious than Ax-3.

 

[Afrank]

Where's this idea of the past tense come from? That he said he looked up to them as a kid.

This is the third or fourth post that talks like that (I'm assuming you were influenced by the previous ones started by Willem and La Flo). Its an interesting sleight of hand that has been performed somewhere but it changes the meaning of what he said.

He didn't say he admired them in the 90's before it was clear they doped.

He was praising them in the here and now- today -2014.

That's true, should have said "that they look up to" don't know why I wrote looked, didn't really think about it. Anyway, my main point still remain true IMO.

 

[Zam_Olyas]

Actually he said he admires Contador now.

On Pantani he said not just that its a childhood hero but that Pantani acheived great things and that he isn't close to achieving them. I know some genuine anti dopers who would refuse to ever aknowledge Pantani acheived anything great

I am one who believes that for a problem to be addressed it first needs to be aknowledged, and I have less faith in those who praise known dopers like Contador or Pantani without even aknowledging the reality behind what those riders did.

Someone who looks up to Pantani's on bike achievements isn't particularly anti doping. Its different from saying you looked up to him as a child or that you admired the man.

I subscribe this post.