Astana

[Vino attacks everyone]

Vino would probably have been in yellow when he got popped

Regardless of what Discovery and the Chicken were up to, Vino still got sloppy.

Vino got desperate. He would have been on the line togheter with AC and the chicken (and everyone else). Kash, Kloden they both survived the tour without any problems.

 

[Gregga]

Vino would probably have been in yellow when he got popped

Regardless of what Discovery and the Chicken were up to, Vino still got sloppy.



In that IM exchange with Andreu, Vaughters said Moreau was clean when they were both at CA - think he said his (Moreau's) hct. was 42.

Moreau's suspicion index was 7 (first french rider)
In 2007 he was surely on blood booster, crushing the french road championship an indecent way, but you're right he certainly had no logistic (the extra BBs) to last more than one week in a GT.
In 2008 he had a very weird DNS in the beginning of the TdF, even his DS didn't know why he was leaving, I guess he was on CERA and was aware of the oncoming new test.

I still don't understand how Moreau's hct was 42 when he was riding with Vaughters, Moreau was the only french guy to be close to Armstrong/Beloki/Ullrich in 2000/2001, was often the best french rider in the TdF, was at least once stopped by the fed doctors for low cortisol parameters etc. Plus he never said a word against doping, is often arrogant about doping on twitter, bashing Bassons for example.

IMO clearly "part of the problem".

 

[markene2]

This was no news. Kash has signed it now

Source: http://astanafans.com/andrej-kashechkin-podpisal-kodeks-povedeniya-komandy.html

 

[Dazed and Confused]

This was no news. Kash has signed it now

Source: http://astanafans.com/andrej-kashechkin-podpisal-kodeks-povedeniya-komandy.html

agree, just a bit of PR. Astana are now leading the Squeaky Clean brigade and will be ready to join the MPCC.

 

[Vino attacks everyone]

agree, just a bit of PR. Astana are now leading the Squeaky Clean brigade and will be ready to join the MPCC.

Just as we like it.

Kash to podium a gt next year is my prediction

 

[Dazed and Confused]

Kash to podium a gt next year is my prediction

Yeah, why not. Vuelta looks doable.

 

[Vino attacks everyone]

Yeah, why not. Vuelta looks doable.

neh, After the first mountain stage in the tour, we will see Kash rising up as the captain for the team (birdsong looses 10 minutes) After that it is fighting with AC, Froome and AS in the mountains and gets the third place after taking 2 min ++ on Andy in the final tt

 

[Dazed and Confused]

neh, After the first mountain stage in the tour, we will see Kash rising up as the captain for the team (birdsong looses 10 minutes) After that it is fighting with AC, Froome and AS in the mountains and gets the third place after taking 2 min ++ on Andy in the final tt

Good plan, but winning TdF shouldn't prevent Kash from going after the Vuelta as well. Only lightweights will be in Spain, no problem for Kash.

Fuglsang can only surprise at this point. Everybody (well, some) thinks hes the dogs breakfast.

 

[Vino attacks everyone]

Good plan, but winning TdF shouldn't prevent Kash from going after the Vuelta as well. Only lightweights will be in Spain, no problem for Kash.

Fuglsang can only surprise at this point. Everybody (well, some) thinks hes the dogs breakfast.

He will skip the Vuelta because of the spanish armadas mental health after the Kazakh invasion in the tour

 

[Dazed and Confused]

He will skip the Vuelta because of the spanish armadas mental health after the Kazakh invasion in the tour

Wiggo will join the Spanish battle after losing to Nibali.

 

[Vino attacks everyone]

Wiggo will join the Spanish battle after losing to Nibali.

with little to no luck

 

[Dazed and Confused]

with little to no luck

The Giro battle will be immense. The battle of the clean teams: Sky, Garmin and Astana.
Can't wait.

 

[Vino attacks everyone]

The Giro battle will be immense. The battle of the clean teams: Sky, Garmin and Astana.
Can't wait.

After the giro 13 Aru will be called the cobra jr.

 

[Dazed and Confused]

After the giro 13 Aru will be called the cobra jr.

The Indian Elephant.

'13 will be an anti arms race at least PR wise. All my riders are on organic yogurt and spring beans grown on Okinawa Island.

 

[Netserk]

Lutsenko is going to be Sagan 2.0

 

[Vino attacks everyone]

Lutsenko is going to be Sagan 2.0

Lutsenko is the next Jalabert. Ranging from GTs to Classics

 

[roundabout]

Hmm.

Fuglsang seems to be back to 2009 form.

Hmm.

 

[webbie146]

I'm wondering has Astana been smart and have they saved a blood-bag for Nibs last night? That way he still has a shot at winning the Vuelta.

I remember Heras taking the lead in 2002 on the Angliru. Also Contador was not that strong at all in 2008 but owned everyone on the Angliru. I hope Astana's medical team planned it well

 

[Ferminal]

Saving for Worlds I think (bit worried though as a part of me agrees with the Angliru save). He is definitely a pint or two behind what he would be in a GT normally.

 

[FoxxyBrown1111]

I'm wondering has Astana been smart and have they saved a blood-bag for Nibs last night?

I guess he won´t risk anything for a Vuelta win he will be awarded anyway. Even if that takes 3 years...

 

[Vino attacks everyone]

Saving for Worlds I think (bit worried though as a part of me agrees with the Angliru save). He is definitely a pint or two behind what he would be in a GT normally.

His preperation has allways gone towards the WC. Doubt he will screw with it now.

 

[webbie146]

I guess he won´t risk anything for a Vuelta win he will be awarded anyway. Even if that takes 3 years...

That's true just get second and the the first place will be awarded to Nibs eventually..

 

[Ferminal]

His preperation has allways gone towards the WC. Doubt he will screw with it now.

Yeh I know, it's just when Vino started saying that they wanted to win the Vuelta too. I guess what it really meant is that try and win the Vuelta but without compromising anything for Firenze.

 

[webbie146]

Yeh I know, it's just when Vino started saying that they wanted to win the Vuelta too. I guess what it really meant is that try and win the Vuelta but without compromising anything for Firenze.

I think that might have happened though, Nibali has gone very deep this Vuelta. Stage hunting would prob had been better to prepare for Firenze.

 

[Vino attacks everyone]

Yeh I know, it's just when Vino started saying that they wanted to win the Vuelta too. I guess what it really meant is that try and win the Vuelta but without compromising anything for Firenze.

yea. It is not like Nibbles is far away from the victory, and Martinelli said last week he still lacks 20ish watts from what he could produce in the mountians in the giro.