Baby Giro 2012

[Ryo Hazuki]

If you see from which teams the big Italian pro teams are taking their neo pros, you know which teams are the ones that know how to develop talent---or at least not to destroy them. The rest of the amateur teams I wouldn't trust.

name me one italian big talent in recent years that broke though? zalf are the most pathetic and biggest amateur team

 

[profff]

girobio is a different affair
riders are controlled and almost everybody remember what happened to finauto last year.

i normally do not like palazzago because i perfectly know olivano locatelli.
nevertheless in the last years locatelli has changed his behaviour and many things changed in palazzago.
anyway palazzago has been giving riders every year to pro team. some failed (totally or partially , like popo, the most famous story), others became veru strong pro.

anyway aru is a nice guy and a very talented climber. he is growing in the right way and he decided not to go pro this year to complete his maturation process.

ryo, you should admit that talent and climbing skills are not given only on colombia. thinking like that is quite childish. that said from somebody who really likes colombians.

about italian u23 scene, i would have completely agree with you since a couple of years ago.
now, the main problem is money, that lacks and the recruitment that is poor.
doping is not the principal issue today.
doping is an issue also in colombia. the performances of castelblanco team have ben widely discussed in colombia in the recent vuelta joventud
things have changed and in the new generation there are talented riders.
aru is the best of them.
it will be nice to see fabio against dombrowski and i hope some strong colombians.

 

[Ryo Hazuki]

colombians will always be better climbers. that is simply science. colombians are born on 3000 metres for generations. everyone is born almost on a bike. the giro bio is indeed clean. that's why the colombians hasve destroyed that race and italian amateur teams went into total panick

 

[Libertine Seguros]

ryo, you should admit that talent and climbing skills are not given only on colombia. thinking like that is quite childish. that said from somebody who really likes colombians.

You underestimate Ryo.

He thinks talent and climbing skills are given in Venezuela too.

 

[Ryo Hazuki]

and bolivia

 

[Bye Bye Bicycle]

Interesting discussion here.

Zalf has lost a lot of its former status over the last years. At the moment they are far away from being the best Italian amateur squad. Apart from Boem and Simion I don't see anyone on their current roster able to turn pro. There were times when half their squad could make or even made the step up to the pro ranks. Trevigiani has taken over their position as the leading Italian amateur squad, with Hopplà and Colpack close behind. Zalf, Palazzago, Marchiol, Petroli, General Store I would rank behind those three. There are clinic-related reasons here, of course, but lacking money seems to play a big role, too.

Here's the startlist for the Pesche Nettarine: http://www.ascdiromagna.it/2012/2012elencoiscritti.htm

 

[janraaskalt]

name me one italian big talent in recent years that broke though? zalf are the most pathetic and biggest amateur team

The change took place possibly the last 2 years, so no rider has benefitted from it. Moreno Moser has a good chance of breaking through. Zalf's Brambilla is riding a decent Giro, by the way.

 

[janraaskalt]

Zalf has lost a lot of its former status over the last years. At the moment they are far away from being the best Italian amateur squad. Apart from Boem and Simion I don't see anyone on their current roster able to turn pro. There were times when half their squad could make or even made the step up to the pro ranks. Trevigiani has taken over their position as the leading Italian amateur squad, with Hopplà and Colpack close behind. Zalf, Palazzago, Marchiol, Petroli, General Store I would rank behind those three. There are clinic-related reasons here, of course, but lacking money seems to play a big role, too.

What's your opinion on Mastromarco? They have some of the biggest talents.

 

[Bye Bye Bicycle]

What's your opinion on Mastromarco? They have some of the biggest talents.

Mastromarco, that's basically just Luca Wackermann. He was a great junior and had some problems in his first Espoirs year (which is normally a good sign), but this year he made a huge leap forward. I'm still undecided which type of rider he is, actually. The rest of the team I don't know much about.

 

[Ryo Hazuki]

mastromarco is more a family team that imo can be trusted quite well

 

[janraaskalt]

Mastromarco, that's basically just Luca Wackermann.

I like Valerio Conti as well. Best junior last year, imo.

 

[Bye Bye Bicycle]

Giro delle Pesche Nettarine
prologue:

1° Paolo Simion (Zalf Euomobil Desirèe Fior) 3'52"
2° Massimo Coledan (Trevigiani)
3° Michele Scartezzini (Trevigiani)

With the flat run-ins on the other stages, Simion might as well win the whole stage race. But I doubt that.

 

[Ruudz0r]

As were talking about the Italians, does anyone know if Andrea Zordan is doing something good in 2011 and 2012 he was a really good junior, but didnt really see anything of him at the espoirs.

EDIT: I know its hard as a first year espoir in Italy but still expected quite a bit more from him seeing his 2010.

 

[Bye Bye Bicycle]

1 UC PALAZZAGO ELLEDENT RAD LOGISTICA
2 HOPPLA'-VEGA-TRUCK ITALIA-VALDARNO
3 TEAM COLPACK
4 PETROLI FIRENZE
5 GS ZALF EUROMOBIL DESIREE FIOR
6 MARCHIOL EMISFERO SITE
7 TEAM IDEA
8 VIRIS MASERATI
9 TEAM M.I. IMPIANTI CASATI
10 DELIO GALLINA COLOSIO S.INOX
11 GENERAL STORE MANTOVANI FONTANA
12 GRAGNANO SPORTING CLUB
13 GENERALI VIDEA BALLAN COPPI GAZZERA
14 SC MONTURANO CIVITANOVA MARCHE CASCINARE
15 CAPARRINI LE VILLAGE VIBERT ITALIA M.MANCINI
16 ARAN - D'ANGELO & ANTENUCCI - FARNESE VINI
17 GS TREVIGIANI (SOC. VINCITRICE GIROBIO 2011)
18 NAZIONALE USA
19 NAZIONALE RUSSIA
20 NAZIONALE KAZAKISTAN
21 TEAM NORDA MG-K VIS
22 NAZIONALE OLANDA
23 TEAM VEJUS
24 TEAM MONVISO-VENEZIA
25 TEAM MALTINTI
26 MONTAPPONE VEGA
27 FARNESE VINI-DANGELO&ANTENUCCI-MCIP
28 TEAM IDEA SHOES

So again no Colombia. Mattia Cattaneo, one of the big favourites, is out due to injury. Zalf and Marchiol confirmed their teams already, the rest is not known yet.

 

[maxmartin]

Is Diego Ulissi racing? if so, he should be the No1 favorite

 

[janraaskalt]

Team USA:

Joshua Berry (Coeur D'Alene, Idaho/Chipotle-First Solar Development Team)
Ian Boswell (Bend, Ore./Bontrager-Livestrong Team)
Joe Dombrowski (Marshall, Va./Bontrager-Livestrong Team)
Rob Squire (Sandy, Utah/Chipotle-First Solar Development Team)
Danny Summerhill (Englewood, Colo./Chipotle-First Solar Development Team)
Larry Warbasse (Traverse City, Mich./BMC-Hincapie Sportswear Cycling Team)

 

[gustienordic]

The change took place possibly the last 2 years, so no rider has benefitted from it. Moreno Moser has a good chance of breaking through. Zalf's Brambilla is riding a decent Giro, by the way.

I can't quite peg what kind of rider Moser will be... a puncheur/attacker, or a sprinter?

 

[The Hitch]

colombians will always be better climbers. that is simply science. colombians are born on 3000 metres for generations. everyone is born almost on a bike.

You don't actually know anything about Colombia do you?

 

[Richeypen]

You don't actually know anything about Colombia do you?

You'll have to wait a month for an answer

 

[SafeBet]

I can't quite peg what kind of rider Moser will be... a puncheur/attacker, or a sprinter?

At this point of his career the only thing I'd rule out is pure sprinter.
Anything else is possible, considering his class + great motor.

 

[Bushman]

Yeah, can't see him beeing a sprinter.

Although except from that, i have no idea of what he himself will aim for. He has a very good punch and a good engine, so the classics seems to be the obvious choice. but he also did a very good itt in pais vasco.

But can he climb? As in real mountains, not just hills? if so he could definately be a GC contender in my eyes

 

[Jakob747]

Yeah, can't see him beeing a sprinter.

Although except from that, i have no idea of what he himself will aim for. He has a very good punch and a good engine, so the classics seems to be the obvious choice. but he also did a very good itt in pais vasco.

But can he climb? As in real mountains, not just hills? if so he could definately be a GC contender in my eyes

He can most defiantly climb. He is from Trento. He regular trains on Mortirolo.

He has been second on Madonna del Gishallo - 10,6km at 5,2%. (Ok, maybe not a traditional Cima. But the competition was stellar and only Diego Ulissi where better on the day!)

He has been second on Monte Campione - 20,2km at 7,4%.

He has been fourth on Colle Fauniera - 24,7km at 7%. (2511 meters above sea-level)

He has been 12th on Monte Grappa - 25,1km at 6,1%.

He is a class act!

 

[janraaskalt]

But can he climb? As in real mountains, not just hills? if so he could definately be a GC contender in my eyes

During past Giro, Basso named Moser and D. Caruso as the future GC contenders in his current Liquigas squad.

 

[Michele]

Palazzago has a long history of doping & destroying talent. However, the last couple of years, the Italians have changed their mentality. The cycling federation and most of the top teams are looking for development of talent. I am confident that we will see Aru shine on pro level as well.

Not exactly but this...

i normally do not like palazzago because i perfectly know olivano locatelli.
nevertheless in the last years locatelli has changed his behaviour and many things changed in palazzago.

And add an investigation concerning Locatelli which almost took him off the U23/Elite but by what I know he came back once again.

 

[Bye Bye Bicycle]

Finally... http://www.italiaciclismo.net/allegati_news/3001_PARTENTI GIRO BIO 2012.1.pdf