Ballan and the destructive power of suspicion

[MarkGreen0]

Looks like my mother was right. No case here.

 

[Anonymous]

Looks like my mother was right. No case here.

You mean the same mother who obviously raised a mentally ill child and obviously never got him the help he needed? Yea, I'll bet she would say a lot of things when she got some scotch in her.

 

[gree0232]

He was in Iraq like jackhammer/carboncrank raced Cat 3.

TFF - I will happily stack my honor up against yours any day. Not only am I an infantry officer and combat veteran (and like everything else, people just make things up to make you look bad), but I am also a graduate of Ranger Sschool, and have hed positions all the way from platoon leader up to National Level operations.

Part of the things we get to do in the military (as we had our own doping problem in the end and aftermath of Vietnam) is administer dope test and systems, and we also have this thing called UCMJ. And as counterinsurgency involved concepts like Rule of Law and we operate in concert with our NATO allies, I have had the opportunity to become quite familiar with many law enforcement and judicial systems.

And yes, working in places like Iraq you get to see REAL corruption up close, and some of us were tasked with taking steps to reduce it.

And of course, your rebuttal is, "that can't be real!"

THat is exactly the reason why I started this thread. There are standards and systems in place for almost everything and that includes this forum. If you cannot discuss something in a mature manner without insulting or accussing other posters, you will be reported.

Some of your 'posts' in this thread have been reported.

Standards and systems ARE important.

 

[9000ft]

Gree 0232,

NEVER EVER question the Cycling news forum hate posse. There is only room for one point of view. Never deviate from the standard. Never offer an alternative. Anything else shows you to be a fanboy, chamois sniffer, mentally ill, or my personal favorite "slobbering defender of your man crush " etc.

 

[Race Radio]

TFF - I will happily stack my honor up against yours any day. Not only am I an infantry officer and combat veteran (and like everything else, people just make things up to make you look bad), but I am also a graduate of Ranger Sschool, and have hed positions all the way from platoon leader up to National Level operations.

Part of the things we get to do in the military (as we had our own doping problem in the end and aftermath of Vietnam) is administer dope test and systems, and we also have this thing called UCMJ. And as counterinsurgency involved concepts like Rule of Law and we operate in concert with our NATO allies, I have had the opportunity to become quite familiar with many law enforcement and judicial systems.

And yes, working in places like Iraq you get to see REAL corruption up close, and some of us were tasked with taking steps to reduce it.

And of course, your rebuttal is, "that can't be real!"

THat is exactly the reason why I started this thread. There are standards and systems in place for almost everything and that includes this forum. If you cannot discuss something in a mature manner without insulting or accussing other posters, you will be reported.

Some of your 'posts' in this thread have been reported.

Standards and systems ARE important.

Congratulations on your Ranger patch.

This is a cycling forum, here you are not a Ranger but cleaning latrines. If you continue to post rambling, incoherent posts with little basis in reality do not be surprised when other point out your foolishness.

 

[Anonymous]

Congratulations on your Ranger patch.

This is a cycling forum, here you are not a Ranger but cleaning latrines. If you continue to post rambling, incoherent posts with little basis in reality do not be surprised when other point out your foolishness.

I have coo coo on ignore, but read your quote of him. Funny, I thought part of "honor" was being honest. Guess he missed that part? Hey, did I mention I am a rocket scientist mechanic negotiator chef? Let me tell you, I have seen some corrosion and constipation! The interwebs are awesome, you can pretend to be anything you want.

 

[Mellow Velo]

Like I said. Ballan has nothing to do with this thread's agenda.
Never did.

 

[gree0232]

Congratulations on your Ranger patch.

This is a cycling forum, here you are not a Ranger but cleaning latrines. If you continue to post rambling, incoherent posts with little basis in reality do not be surprised when other point out your foolishness.

Sort of like your continuous trolling.

And no PROFESSIONALISM, STANDARDS, SYSTEMS, and mature discussion are not irrelevant.

PROVE me wrong rather than engaging in personal smear campaigns. If you can.

 

[gree0232]

Like I said. Ballan has nothing to do with this thread's agenda.
Never did.

Yepo the 20 subjects that were introduced having nothing to do with LA mean it is actually about LA. Great logic.

And you guys wonder why you can never nail the target of your aggression?

To be clear, not one o fthe slandering trolls here is talking about Ballan other than "He only missed part of his season .... for no reason." :roll:

 

[Race Radio]

Sort of like your continuous trolling.

And no PROFESSIONALISM, STANDARDS, SYSTEMS, and mature discussion are not irrelevant.

PROVE me wrong rather than engaging in personal smear campaigns. If you can.

Prove what? Your posts are just random babble about your mancrush. You do not make any points to discuss.

 

[gree0232]

Prove what? Your posts are just random babble about your mancrush. You do not make any points to discuss.

Agh yes, more mature discussion. Consider yourself reported.

Object lesson in standards for you.

 

[Race Radio]

Gree 0232,

NEVER EVER question the Cycling news forum hate posse. There is only room for one point of view. Never deviate from the standard. Never offer an alternative. Anything else shows you to be a fanboy, chamois sniffer, mentally ill, or my personal favorite "slobbering defender of your man crush " etc.

I must have missed this, where did he actually make a point that made any sense or was worth discussing? All I have seem is a series of random, disjointed, diatribes that make little sense.

There are plenty of intelligent alternative views on this board but so far Gree's posts have shown that he is unable to provide anything coherent to discuss.

 

[buckwheat]

Prove what? Your posts are just random babble about your mancrush. You do not make any points to discuss.

Rangers were allowed to have mancrushes in the Vietnam era?

 

[BYOP88]

Well going back to Ballan and the "destructive power of suspicion", well that's the world of cycling that some riders will get caught up in a scandal when it isn't the doping ring they're involved in.


PS Is it true that Rangers go first?

 

[Dr. Maserati]

Sort of like your continuous trolling.

And no PROFESSIONALISM, STANDARDS, SYSTEMS, and mature discussion are not irrelevant.

PROVE me wrong rather than engaging in personal smear campaigns. If you can.

Pretty easy really - you like 'standards' & 'systems' and demand 'evidence'.

You do realise Ballan has been 'acquitted' by his team, who are his employers? The same organisation that ran Phonak?

 

[gree0232]

Pretty easy really - you like 'standards' & 'systems' and demand 'evidence'.

You do realise Ballan has been 'acquitted' by his team, who are his employers? The same organisation that ran Phonak?

Yeah. Does that mean he is actually guily?

Should we call in an independant invetigator? Oops, you guys have problems with that to.

Should we allow the UCI or WADA to investigate? Oops, you guys have problems with that too.

Should we let CONI investigate (which they are)? Oops, you guys have problems with that too.

Should we let the Italian police investigate (which they are)? Oops, you guys have problems with that too.

At this point it is called a witch hunt.

There must be a way to prove guilt OR innocence.

That is why we have standards. And saying, "using the word standard .... blah, blah, blah," doesn't mean they it is suddenly irrelevant.

The standards remain whether you like it or not. Nothing has been produced from an internal and external investigation and Ballan is clear to ride.

The question, as there is not a shred of evidence, why was he sidelined at all?

 

[gree0232]

I must have missed this, where did he actually make a point that made any sense or was worth discussing? All I have seem is a series of random, disjointed, diatribes that make little sense.

There are plenty of intelligent alternative views on this board but so far Gree's posts have shown that he is unable to provide anything coherent to discuss.

Then why are you posting?

Again, all you have is accusation and slander. What point are you making regarding Ballan?

Pot calling kettle black? Or more like pot staring into mirror at this point.

 

[Anonymous]

So this guy comes in here and says "You guys do not have evidence that has been examined in court and determined to be valid by a court of law, therefore you are not allowed to have the opinion that Lance doped."

Then he comes in and says "I went to Iraq and saw the corruption in a country that had been ruled by a violent dictator and therefore perfectly relates to the suggestion that there could have been corruption between the UCI and Armstrong in that they are exactly alike, and the head of the UCI couldn't possibly be complicit in corruption because it would have to be like corruption in Iraq, so you guys cannot suggest that there is something possibly corrupt about Armstrong giving money for no specific purpose or even knowing how much he gave or the UCI even knowing exactly how much he gave and also the UCI had to remind him to give the money he said he would give, but really, you guys are being haters because you think something could be a bit off about that and did I mention I was in Iraq?"

Then we get the "The WADA would have to have been complicit and there is no way they would allow a test to be covered-up...oh wait, you are saying that they wouldn't have been involved because the UCI had not signed on when the positive test is alleged to have occurred? But I am right about everything, how can that be. Did I mention I was in the military...in Iraq. I think I will leave this thread and start a new one?"

Then we get the "Ballan was accused then cleared therefore Lance being accused will turn out exactly the same way because every person ever accused and people think they might be guilty of the charges ends up being innocent, so Lance will be found innocent."

Then we get the "I am an officer and a gentleman who acts with honor and is a ranger and went to Iraq and I know what I am talking about on any given subject because of that and we drug test in the military so that gives me the expertise to know how drug testing happens everywhere and so Lance is innocent, and did I mention I am a ranger and tuck my pants in my boots...because that means I know everything and am honorable even though I continue to post things that are full of half truths or even outright lies, but you have to believe me because did I mention I was a ranger?"

Yea, well once knew a man with a Buick, so I think my qualifications are equal if not better than are yours.

 

[Race Radio]

Pretty easy really - you like 'standards' & 'systems' and demand 'evidence'.

You do realise Ballan has been 'acquitted' by his team, who are his employers? The same organisation that ran Phonak?

It appears he only likes "Evidence" that confirms with the stuff he invents.

 

[gree0232]

So this guy comes in here and says "You guys do not have evidence that has been examined in court and determined to be valid by a court of law, therefore you are not allowed to have the opinion that Lance doped."

Then he comes in and says "I went to Iraq and saw the corruption in a country that had been ruled by a violent dictator and therefore perfectly relates to the suggestion that there could have been corruption between the UCI and Armstrong in that they are exactly alike, and the head of the UCI couldn't possibly be complicit in corruption because it would have to be like corruption in Iraq, so you guys cannot suggest that there is something possibly corrupt about Armstrong giving money for no specific purpose or even knowing how much he gave or the UCI even knowing exactly how much he gave and also the UCI had to remind him to give the money he said he would give, but really, you guys are being haters because you think something could be a bit off about that and did I mention I was in Iraq?"

Then we get the "The WADA would have to have been complicit and there is no way they would allow a test to be covered-up...oh wait, you are saying that they wouldn't have been involved because the UCI had not signed on when the positive test is alleged to have occurred? But I am right about everything, how can that be. Did I mention I was in the military...in Iraq. I think I will leave this thread and start a new one?"

Then we get the "Ballan was accused then cleared therefore Lance being accused will turn out exactly the same way because every person ever accused and people think they might be guilty of the charges ends up being innocent, so Lance will be found innocent."

Then we get the "I am an officer and a gentleman who acts with honor and is a ranger and went to Iraq and I know what I am talking about on any given subject because of that and we drug test in the military so that gives me the expertise to know how drug testing happens everywhere and so Lance is innocent, and did I mention I am a ranger and tuck my pants in my boots...because that means I know everything and am honorable even though I continue to post things that are full of half truths or even outright lies, but you have to believe me because did I mention I was a ranger?"

Yea, well once knew a man with a Buick, so I think my qualifications are equal if not better than are yours.

Wow, I must be quite a threat to be the object of such derision and babbling in coherence that has abolsutely nothing to do with the topic.

Hashing my record will not nail anyone for doping.

If you want to compare life stories, please share yours. I will happily stand myself and my honor against yours.

In the meantime, consider yourself reported - again.

 

[Anonymous]

Prove what? Your posts are just random babble about your mancrush. You do not make any points to discuss.

"We find these truths to be self-evident..."

 

[Dr. Maserati]

Yeah. Does that mean he is actually guily?

Should we call in an independant invetigator? Oops, you guys have problems with that to.

Should we allow the UCI or WADA to investigate? Oops, you guys have problems with that too.

Should we let CONI investigate (which they are)? Oops, you guys have problems with that too.

Should we let the Italian police investigate (which they are)? Oops, you guys have problems with that too.

At this point it is called a witch hunt.

There must be a way to prove guilt OR innocence.

That is why we have standards. And saying, "using the word standard .... blah, blah, blah," doesn't mean they it is suddenly irrelevant.

The standards remain whether you like it or not. Nothing has been produced from an internal and external investigation and Ballan is clear to ride.

The question, as there is not a shred of evidence, why was he sidelined at all?

Please point where I have ever said "I have a problem" with CONI, or the Italian police doing investigations.

You do realise the UCI do not "investigate", don't you?

 

[gree0232]

It appears he only likes "Evidence" that confirms with the stuff he invents.

Still staring into the mirror I see.

The reality of Lance still riding seems to escape you as well.

Now, would you care to make a comment relevant to the Ballan case, or do you insist on introducing LA to any and every issue regarding doping?

 

[gree0232]

Please point where I have ever said "I have a problem" with CONI, or the Italian police doing investigations.

You do realise the UCI do not "investigate", don't you?

Well, because unacknowledged in the stroy posted in cyclingnews is the fact that none of the investigations have gone anywhere.

The story also says that Ballan cooperated with these investigations fully.

And from that we get, "internal investogation is obviously biased."

So, now that Ballan has been cleared and multiple agencies have been unable to produce any proof of doping for Ballan, can we please address why it is necessary to sideline a rider based on nothing more that an accussation?

An accussation that now appears to be complete BS.

 

[Anonymous]

Please point where I have ever said "I have a problem" with CONI, or the Italian police doing investigations.

You do realise the UCI do not "investigate", don't you?

Hey, he says he is a ranger officer Iraqi combat killer. You have to believe everything he says because, did I mention he is a ranger officer Iraqi combat killer?

My hope is that IF he is in the military, he is assigned to sanitation logistics or something befitting a person of his capacity.