Ballan and the destructive power of suspicion

[gree0232]

"We find these truths to be self-evident..."

""It is not the critic who counts: not the man who points out how the strong man stumbles or where the doer of deeds could have done better. The credit belongs to the man who is actually in the arena, whose face is marred by dust and sweat and blood, who strives valiantly, who errs and comes up short again and again, because there is no effort without error or shortcoming, but who knows the great enthusiasms, the great devotions, who spends himself for a worthy cause; who, at the best, knows, in the end, the triumph of high achievement, and who, at the worst, if he fails, at least he fails while daring greatly, so that his place shall never be with those cold and timid souls who knew neither victory nor defeat."

TR

 

[BikeCentric]

Gree, there IS an independant Federal investigation led by Novitky under way right now so why not just wait for the results on that?

 

[gree0232]

Hey, he says he is a ranger officer Iraqi combat killer. You have to believe everything he says because, did I mention he is a ranger officer Iraqi combat killer?

My hope is that IF he is in the military, he is assigned to sanitation logistics or something befitting a person of his capacity.

And you do what?

Sit from the safe side of a computer and hurl immature insults? Wow, such honor.

That one is also reported.

I expect your object lesson in standards will arrive shortly.

 

[Anonymous]

Hey, you guys remember the FBI G-man junior who came in here last year spouting some of the same crap, only he said we had to believe him because he was in the FBI?

I am betting they are related.

 

[gree0232]

Gree, there IS an independant Federal investigation led by Novitky under way right now so why not just wait for the results on that?

I would love to. That is exactly what I am advocating.

However, I think it is also important to notice that none of the riders, despite this active investigation, are being pulled from riding.

Ballan was.

I think the system is tired of accussation and wants/needs to rely on something a bit more tangible.

 

[Anonymous]

Gree, there IS an independant Federal investigation led by Novitky under way right now so why not just wait for the results on that?

Because nobody is allowed to have an opinion because he went to Iraq.

 

[bobs nob]

please point where i have ever said "i have a problem" with coni, or the italian police doing investigations.

You do realise the uci do not "investigate", don't you?

stop feeding the troll

 

[Digger]

Can we take bets on how many times Iraq and 'accussation' are used in the next three hours?

 

[BikeCentric]

I would love to. That is exactly what I am advocating.

However, I think it is also important to notice that none of the riders, despite this active investigation, are being pulled from riding.

Ballan was.

I think the system is tired of accussation and wants/needs to rely on something a bit more tangible.

Ballan was sidelined by his team, BMC. His team management alone made the choice to sit him.

 

[Dr. Maserati]

And you do what?

Sit from the safe side of a computer and hurl immature insults? Wow, such honor.

That one is also reported.

I expect your object lesson in standards will arrive shortly.

Standards? You continue to suggest Pound is the leak of the doping control papers.

You also have yet to answer my question of the names of the people in the Hospital room.

You say you worked in Iraq, in the military.

Communications??

 

[Mellow Velo]

There is an ongoing doping investigation into Lampre.
Ballan is a rider implicated in the Italian investigation.
The choice to suspend and investigate both him and Santambroggio was down to BMC.
Their decision was internal and not compulsory.

Ballan should be back, racing the T de S and TDF.

Meanwhile, the Italian authorities continue to investigate.

So, if anyone has an issue, take it up with BMC. That's where your beef is.

 

[Race Radio]

Hey, you guys remember the FBI G-man junior who came in here last year spouting some of the same crap, only he said we had to believe him because he was in the FBI?

I am betting they are related.

Well, their parents were brother and sister

 

[180mmCrank]

Hey guys

Keep it civil or I will close the discusssion down.

It is ok to challenge people's opinions it is not ok to insult people.

Terry
(Moderator)

 

[Anonymous]

Can we take bets on how many times Iraq and 'accussation' are used in the next three hours?

I have him on ignore, which makes seeing him go ballistic (I mean, his post count is going through the roof) even more fun. I wonder if they teach self-control in the ranger Iraq killer school?

 

[Race Radio]

Ballan was sidelined by his team, BMC. His team management alone made the choice to sit him.

Please do not introduce facts into this discussion, it just makes him angrier. It is all part of an unjust conspiracy run by WADA.

 

[Digger]

Hey guys

Keep it civil or I will close the discusssion down.

It is ok to challenge people's opinions it is not ok to insult people.

Terry
(Moderator)

Terry some of us were in Iraq, thus are above mods.

 

[Anonymous]

Please do not introduce facts into this discussion, it just makes him angrier. It is all part of an unjust conspiracy run by WADA.

Yea BikeCentric, did we mention he was in Iraq?

 

[Digger]

Yea BikeCentric, did we mention he was in Iraq?

Don't leave out the corruption he witnessed, thus is an expert on all forms of corruption all over the world.

 

[gree0232]

Standards? You continue to suggest Pound is the leak of the doping control papers.

You also have yet to answer my question of the names of the people in the Hospital room.

You say you worked in Iraq, in the military.

Communications??

No, I am saying, and have clarified that **** Pound was involved in several leaks and salacious comments about cycling. I would ask you to prove that I am making a specific accussation over a specific set of 'doping' papers.

You are stuck on minutia.

As for the names in the room, we tried that a year ago - please refer to the earlier posts.

BTW, the photo you use is dated. The Iraqi military and police no longer wear those uniforms anymore. At least not those that are actually involved in the field. Then there is the Iraqi National Police portion, here is a nice link for you.

http://iraqifederalpolice.org/en/main.htm

And what do you do Dr?

Your inability to make a convincing case should not lead to simply personal attacks in desperation. Stick to the topic. If you can.

The question I asked you is: Why was it necessary to sideline Ballan based on .... nothing?

 

[Digger]

No, I am saying, and have clarified that **** Pound was involved in several leaks and salacious comments about cycling. I would ask you to prove that I am making a specific accussation over a specific set of 'doping' papers.

You are stuck on minutia.

As for the names in the room, we tried that a year ago - please refer to the earlier posts.

BTW, the photo you use is dated. The Iraqi military and police no longer wear those uniforms anymore.

And what do you do Dr?

Your inability to make a convincing case should not lead to simply personal attacks in desperation. Stick to the topic. If you can.

The question I asked you is: Why was it necessary to sideline Ballan based on .... nothing?

List them.

 

[Anonymous]

Don't leave out the corruption he witnessed, thus is an expert on all forms of corruption all over the world.

Because the UCI is exactly like a country that was run by a murderous dictator for decades...yea, sorry, I forgot about that. Thanks for bringing me back to reality Digger.

 

[Anonymous]

List them.

Digger, put him on ignore. Its cool, he is so predictable you don't even have to read his posts to counter his arguments. I mean, yea, I am a Jedi in Trollkraft and therefore have quite liberal stores of Force perception, but I am not even using it this time. It will also mean that I don't have to read his fantasy life or inane comments.

 

[Dr. Maserati]

No, I am saying, and have clarified that **** Pound was involved in several leaks and salacious comments about cycling. I would ask you to prove that I am making a specific accussation over a specific set of 'doping' papers.

You are stuck on minutia.

As for the names in the room, we tried that a year ago - please refer to the earlier posts.

BTW, the photo you use is dated. The Iraqi military and police no longer wear those uniforms anymore. At least not those that are actually involved in the field.

And what do you do Dr?

Your inability to make a convincing case should not lead to simply personal attacks in desperation. Stick to the topic. If you can.

The question I asked you is: Why was it necessary to sideline Ballan based on .... nothing?

I must have missed the post where you named the people in the Hospital room - I will go back and look.

The Police investigation in to Ballan is ongoing.

UCI teams Code of Conduct.

IX. Without prejudice to the right to terminate the contract for serious misconduct, not to
enter any licence-holder for events who is subject to judicial proceedings or
investigation for facts relating to sporting activity, or any act constituting a breach of
the UCI antidoping regulations, or any other intentional criminal act.
1. as from the opening of the investigation or proceedings:
· if the facts are admitted by the party in question, or
· if information from an official source available to the UCI ProTeam
shows that the facts in question cannot be seriously contested;
2. in other cases, as from the date of referral by the investigating body or,
where no such procedure applies, the date of the summons to the
accused to appear before the trial judge for sentencing.

 

[gree0232]

Don't leave out the corruption he witnessed, thus is an expert on all forms of corruption all over the world.

And your familiarity with corruption is?

Well, how about we try something like this on for size.

http://original.antiwar.com/lobe/2009/11/17/afghanistan-iraq-near-bottom-of-corruption-index/

http://media.csis.org/isf.pdf

Leading to:

http://articles.latimes.com/2008/feb/06/world/fg-police6

And your rebuttal is: "Nu uh. The UCI/WADA/IOC/National federations/EU law enforcement are all corrupt?" Yeah.

Great, we've got corruption under control.

 

[Digger]

And your familiarity with corruption is? Well, how about we try something like this on for size.

http://original.antiwar.com/lobe/2009/11/17/afghanistan-iraq-near-bottom-of-corruption-index/

http://media.csis.org/isf.pdf

Leading to:

http://articles.latimes.com/2008/feb/06/world/fg-police6

And your rebuttal is: "Nu uh. The UCI/WADA/IOC/National federations/EU law enforcement are all corrupt?" Yeah.

Great, we've got corruption under control.

I think we long ago established that you are the SOUL person on this forum with a handle on corruption, due to Iraq. Evidently, no corruption has ever existed outside of this country / situation. Bad luck for you, but wonderful for the rest of us that we have never had to witness corruption. Utopia we all live in.