Baron Coe, cleans?

[Zebadeedee]

How to do business with smoke and mirrors:-

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/sport/othersports/article-4050184/IAAF-s-Athletics-Integrity-Unit-launched-April-2017.html

 

[thehog]

Good day for Coe today :lol:

Following evidence given to @CommonsCMS today by David Bedford, the committee has agreed to recall Lord Coe to our doping in sport inquiry

 

[King Boonen]

Good day for Coe today :lol:

Following evidence given to @CommonsCMS today by David Bedford, the committee has agreed to recall Lord Coe to our doping in sport inquiry

I read a headline that someone briefed him about Russian doping. Didn't he deny that?

 

[sniper]

Indeed. Bedford today says he briefed Coe through email and also sent him an sms saying "did you read my email?" to which Coe never responded.

Asked if he believes that Coe never read his email Bedford responded "it's surprising. I think that goes a long way in answering your question".

 

[thehog]

Re:

Indeed. Bedford today says he briefed Coe through email and also sent him an sms saying "did you read my email?" to which Coe never responded.

Asked if he believes that Coe never read his email Bedford responded "it's surprising. I think that goes a long way in answering your question".

Perhaps the UKAD can investigate? :lol:

 

[King Boonen]

Re:

Indeed. Bedford today says he briefed Coe through email and also sent him an sms saying "did you read my email?" to which Coe never responded.

Asked if he believes that Coe never read his email Bedford responded "it's surprising. I think that goes a long way in answering your question".

Nice little recap from Matt slater for those of us, like me, who can't quite remember what was said and when.

http://www.sbs.com.au/news/article/2017/01/11/coes-ignorance-corruption-questioned

 

[sniper]

Re: Re:

Indeed. Bedford today says he briefed Coe through email and also sent him an sms saying "did you read my email?" to which Coe never responded.

Asked if he believes that Coe never read his email Bedford responded "it's surprising. I think that goes a long way in answering your question".

Perhaps the UKAD can investigate? :lol:

Coe already got cleared of wrongdoing by Paula Radcliffe, shortly after the latter had been cleared of wrongdoing by IAAF.
Love this spin from Radcliffe:

She said on Sky News: "Yes, I absolutely do believe that. He is a strong person. He put himself forward to run for president when, as *** Pound says, he couldn't have been unaware of the state that the sport was in and the changes that needed to be made. He needed to be in position to instigate those changes. I do believe he's someone who cares deeply about our sport and will fight to put those changes in place."

Radcliffe added on BBC Radio Five Live: "People needed to shout louder. That is a key argument that can be used against all members of that council. They must have had some inclination.

"Either they just didn't pick up on it and didn't notice or they just turned a blind eye, which is worse, or they just totally looked the other way, which is even worse.

"Probably, if you ask Seb (Coe) honestly, he would be the first to admit that he wasn't fully there for a lot of that tenure. He was concentrating on London, he was concentrating on other things and it's only really in the run-up to the presidential elections, and since then, that he has been fully invested in seeing what's going on.
http://www.independent.ie/sport/other-sports/paula-radcliffe-backs-seb-coe-to-restore-iaaf-reputation-34365912.html

Let's toast to that.

Seb Coe Verifizierter Account
‏@sebcoe
“Congratulations to new IAAF Athletes’ Commission Chair Rozle Prezelj and vice-Chair Paula Radcliffe”

 

[Zebadeedee]

The Mail has its hook well cast into Lord Slippery Eel:-

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/sport/othersports/article-4106150/Lord-Coe-faces-grilling-MPs-seek-answers-emails-revealing-Russian-athletics-corruption.html

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/sport/sportsnews/article-4111104/MPs-pile-pressure-Lord-Coe-disclose-email-trail.html

Shame the French police can't do a border rid into Monaco and seize the evidence to incriminate Mr Baron Cleans.
I wonder what his corrupt sidekick, Nick Davies, is up to now that he's back inside IAAF's HQ. Destroying email evidence, perhaps.

 

[yaco]

Actually what I find more interesting is that Michael Beloff QC who was on the IAAF Ethics Commission is involved in the email ping pong - And Beloff is also a CAS Arbitrator - Something is fishy.

 

[King Boonen]

Re:

Actually what I find more interesting is that Michael Beloff QC who was on the IAAF Ethics Commission is involved in the email ping pong - And Beloff is also a CAS Arbitrator - Something is fishy.

In and of itself that's not fishy at all. Here is the list of arbitrators:

http://www.tas-cas.org/en/arbitration/list-of-arbitrators-general-list.html

It's the same as having experts evaluate academic funding applications, or MHRA/FDA pharmaceutical submissions etc.

 

[yaco]

Re: Re:

Actually what I find more interesting is that Michael Beloff QC who was on the IAAF Ethics Commission is involved in the email ping pong - And Beloff is also a CAS Arbitrator - Something is fishy.

In and of itself that's not fishy at all. Here is the list of arbitrators:

http://www.tas-cas.org/en/arbitration/list-of-arbitrators-general-list.html

It's the same as having experts evaluate academic funding applications, or MHRA/FDA pharmaceutical submissions etc.

Wow - So having a CAS Arbitrator who sits on the IAAF Ethics Commission which has information/allegations about Diack - The same Ethics Commission who at the time sat on their hands and did nothing, until information was publically leaked and then they investigated the issue - I wouldn't want Beloff arbitrating on my case at CAS - And this is not even considering Beloff and others have a conflict of interest - You want to be a CAS Arbitrator then you need to divorce yourself from any sporting affiliations and the like - You can't serve two masters.

 

[King Boonen]

Re: Re:

Actually what I find more interesting is that Michael Beloff QC who was on the IAAF Ethics Commission is involved in the email ping pong - And Beloff is also a CAS Arbitrator - Something is fishy.

In and of itself that's not fishy at all. Here is the list of arbitrators:

http://www.tas-cas.org/en/arbitration/list-of-arbitrators-general-list.html

It's the same as having experts evaluate academic funding applications, or MHRA/FDA pharmaceutical submissions etc.

Wow - So having a CAS Arbitrator who sits on the IAAF Ethics Commission which has information/allegations about Diack - The same Ethics Commission who at the time sat on their hands and did nothing, until information was publically leaked and then they investigated the issue - I wouldn't want Beloff arbitrating on my case at CAS - And this is not even considering Beloff and others have a conflict of interest - You want to be a CAS Arbitrator then you need to divorce yourself from any sporting affiliations and the like - You can't serve two masters.

People who know about sport shouldn't arbitrate in sporting cases? As I said, go and look at the MHRA or FDA.

 

[Benotti69]

Re: Re:

Actually what I find more interesting is that Michael Beloff QC who was on the IAAF Ethics Commission is involved in the email ping pong - And Beloff is also a CAS Arbitrator - Something is fishy.

In and of itself that's not fishy at all. Here is the list of arbitrators:

http://www.tas-cas.org/en/arbitration/list-of-arbitrators-general-list.html

It's the same as having experts evaluate academic funding applications, or MHRA/FDA pharmaceutical submissions etc.

Wow - So having a CAS Arbitrator who sits on the IAAF Ethics Commission which has information/allegations about Diack - The same Ethics Commission who at the time sat on their hands and did nothing, until information was publically leaked and then they investigated the issue - I wouldn't want Beloff arbitrating on my case at CAS - And this is not even considering Beloff and others have a conflict of interest - You want to be a CAS Arbitrator then you need to divorce yourself from any sporting affiliations and the like - You can't serve two masters.

People who know about sport shouldn't arbitrate in sporting cases? As I said, go and look at the MHRA or FDA.

I think most judges, lawyers and solicitors come from privileged backgrounds and have little of no experience of everyday society yet adjudicate on it.

A court room, be it a sporting one, will adjudicate according to the rules/laws laid down. Whether one is a former athlete does not necessarily make one a better adjudicator.

 

[King Boonen]

Re: Re:

Actually what I find more interesting is that Michael Beloff QC who was on the IAAF Ethics Commission is involved in the email ping pong - And Beloff is also a CAS Arbitrator - Something is fishy.

In and of itself that's not fishy at all. Here is the list of arbitrators:

http://www.tas-cas.org/en/arbitration/list-of-arbitrators-general-list.html

It's the same as having experts evaluate academic funding applications, or MHRA/FDA pharmaceutical submissions etc.

Wow - So having a CAS Arbitrator who sits on the IAAF Ethics Commission which has information/allegations about Diack - The same Ethics Commission who at the time sat on their hands and did nothing, until information was publically leaked and then they investigated the issue - I wouldn't want Beloff arbitrating on my case at CAS - And this is not even considering Beloff and others have a conflict of interest - You want to be a CAS Arbitrator then you need to divorce yourself from any sporting affiliations and the like - You can't serve two masters.

People who know about sport shouldn't arbitrate in sporting cases? As I said, go and look at the MHRA or FDA.

I think most judges, lawyers and solicitors come from privileged backgrounds and have little of no experience of everyday society yet adjudicate on it.

A court room, be it a sporting one, will adjudicate according to the rules/laws laid down. Whether one is a former athlete does not necessarily make one a better adjudicator.

Lawyers and solicitors do not adjudicate anything. CAS is arbitration, not the crap-shoot of a jury trial. Arbitration is almost always carried out by someone with expert knowledge as you would expect. It is also independent, it's not like a criminal court that can call on a jury pool. Experts in the field are the obvious choice.

 

[yaco]

Re: Re:

Actually what I find more interesting is that Michael Beloff QC who was on the IAAF Ethics Commission is involved in the email ping pong - And Beloff is also a CAS Arbitrator - Something is fishy.

In and of itself that's not fishy at all. Here is the list of arbitrators:

http://www.tas-cas.org/en/arbitration/list-of-arbitrators-general-list.html

It's the same as having experts evaluate academic funding applications, or MHRA/FDA pharmaceutical submissions etc.

Wow - So having a CAS Arbitrator who sits on the IAAF Ethics Commission which has information/allegations about Diack - The same Ethics Commission who at the time sat on their hands and did nothing, until information was publically leaked and then they investigated the issue - I wouldn't want Beloff arbitrating on my case at CAS - And this is not even considering Beloff and others have a conflict of interest - You want to be a CAS Arbitrator then you need to divorce yourself from any sporting affiliations and the like - You can't serve two masters.

People who know about sport shouldn't arbitrate in sporting cases? As I said, go and look at the MHRA or FDA.

I think most judges, lawyers and solicitors come from privileged backgrounds and have little of no experience of everyday society yet adjudicate on it.

A court room, be it a sporting one, will adjudicate according to the rules/laws laid down. Whether one is a former athlete does not necessarily make one a better adjudicator.

You are missing the point - We are not discussing whether Beloff has the necessary legal qualifications - We are discussing multiple roles which overlap and may cause a conflict of interest - Beloff sat on the IAAF Ethics Commission which turned a blind eye to Diack, and only acted after public pressure through documentaries and the like, even though the Ethics Commission had information provided through media - It seems to be fine to question Coe, but not the members of the IAAF Ethics Commission.

Also once you are a CAS Arbitrator you should not be able to accept any other sporting role - We have CAS Arbitrators who have headed National Olympic Sports - Strangest thing is CAS allows this and to represent at Anti-Doping Tribunals as long as its not at a CAS Tribunal - Too many conflicts of interest.

 

[gillan1969]

step aside UKAD and WADA....at least some people don't like having the p*ss taken out of them....click on link to Committee's response to Coe on Jan 18th Apologies if been covered...don't see it

http://www.parliament.uk/business/committees/committees-a-z/commons-select/culture-media-and-sport-committee/

 

[sniper]

step aside UKAD and WADA....at least some people don't like having the p*ss taken out of them....click on link to Committee's response to Coe on Jan 18th Apologies if been covered...don't see it

http://www.parliament.uk/business/committees/committees-a-z/commons-select/culture-media-and-sport-committee/

cheers, that's funny indeed, especially if you read Coe's letter to Collins first.

 

[gillan1969]

step aside UKAD and WADA....at least some people don't like having the p*ss taken out of them....click on link to Committee's response to Coe on Jan 18th Apologies if been covered...don't see it

http://www.parliament.uk/business/committees/committees-a-z/commons-select/culture-media-and-sport-committee/

cheers, that's funny indeed, especially if you read Coe's letter to Collins first.

i know, brilliant

 

[Norks74]

Nicole Cooke giving evidence by videolink

http://www.parliamentlive.tv/Event/Index/0a112cdf-836f-411d-b47e-fc2904f81c2d

 

[Norks74]

Sorry, above link is live feed of Nicole Cooke speaking to parliamentary committee via videolink

 

[Robert5091]

http://www.bbc.com/sport/athletics/38809210
Oops!
"Claims that Lord Coe misled an MPs' inquiry have grown after new emails confirmed he was "made aware" of corruption allegations in his sport four months before they became public.

The president of the IAAF, athletics' governing body, told a select committee in December 2015 he was "not aware" of specific allegations of corruption around the Russian doping scandal.

But the email from Lord Coe to the IAAF's Ethics Commission in August 2014 states: "I have now been made aware of the allegations."

In 2015, Lord Coe told Parliament: "I was certainly not aware of the specific allegations that had been made around the corruption of anti-doping processes in Russia."

MPs had wanted the IAAF president to return to the committee after former athlete David Bedford's testimony to the Culture, Media and Sport select committee inquiry into doping in sport appeared to contradict Lord Coe's."

 

[King Boonen]

The important part:

The email, from Lord Coe to Mr Beloff, is dated August 2014 and reads: "I have in the last couple of days received copied documentation of serious allegations being made by and on behalf of the Russian female athlete Shobukhova from David Bedford.

"I have spoken to David today on the phone and he advises me that he has shared this information with you. Should I forward this documentation to you?

"The purpose of this note is of course to advise you that I have now been made aware of the allegations...but would be grateful for your advice."

 

[sniper]

Re:

Good Lord.

From the same link:

Committee chairman Damian Collins told the BBC: "Whatever excuse he gives, it is clear that Lord Coe decided not to share with the committee information that was relevant to our inquiry on doping in sport.

"The committee asked him about his knowledge of doping in Russian athletics and of corruption within the sport. In his answers, he gave the impression that he was unaware of specific allegations.

"Thanks to evidence that was presented by the BBC Panorama programme last year, and by David Bedford to the committee this January, we can see that he was aware, at least in general terms, of the allegations that had been brought forward by the Russian athlete Liliya Shobukhova."

 

[TourOfSardinia]

Coe was never one for hurdles

 

[yaco]

Re:

The important part:

The email, from Lord Coe to Mr Beloff, is dated August 2014 and reads: "I have in the last couple of days received copied documentation of serious allegations being made by and on behalf of the Russian female athlete Shobukhova from David Bedford.

"I have spoken to David today on the phone and he advises me that he has shared this information with you. Should I forward this documentation to you?

"The purpose of this note is of course to advise you that I have now been made aware of the allegations...but would be grateful for your advice."

Ha Ha - Posters wonder why I am concerned about Beloff being a CAS Arbitrator - On the IAAF Ethics Commission and seems to have sat on the information - Too many conflicts of interest in the top end of sport.