Baron Coe, cleans?

[The Hitch]

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http://www.athleticsweekly.com/featured/galaxy-of-stars-attend-global-sports-communications-anniversary-41484/

The tone of posting over at Letsrun has changed a lot over the last 3 years.

http://www.letsrun.com/forum/flat_read.php?thread=7387597

Loved all that stuff about Szabo http://www.telegraph.co.uk/sport/othersports/athletics/2404075/Athletics-Drugs-blow-for-Szabo.html

As good as Edita Rumsas "All that EPO and HGH was for my mother in law, who by the way does not live in France".

I don't usually venture to lets run. I think the way they have their message boards set up is a bit of a quagmire, but it seems to be working quite well for them. They need to categorize their threads/discussions, as cycling news does. Anyway, since I am not often there, what was the usual 'tone?' Did people shy away from controversial topics like doping and corruption?

They had a massive poll asking which of these athletes are clean.

Usain clean, of course
Paula definately clean.

Russians, Chinese and dodgy difficult to spell one off champions from North Africa though - Dopings

Here, have a laugh (or cry)

Or this :

Farah - clean http://www.letsrun.com/data/doping-perceptions-poll/mo-farah/
Makhloufi - doping (of course) http://www.letsrun.com/data/doping-perceptions-poll/taoufik-makhloufi/
Ennis - very clean http://www.letsrun.com/data/doping-perceptions-poll/jessica-ennis/

God knows what Makhloufi has done more than Ohourugu to make him so dodgy (apart from being born in the wrong country.
http://www.letsrun.com/data/doping-perceptions-poll/christine-ohuruogo/

Even in the 1990's when there was no EPO test, Everyone was clean :razz: (hooray for logic)
http://www.letsrun.com/data/doping-perceptions-poll/michael-johnson/

And OMG.

Even with all the relevations that Radcliffe's tests show to 99.99% certainty that she doped, she is still clean
http://www.letsrun.com/data/doping-perceptions-poll/paula-radcliffe/

 

[thehog]

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The triplet Coe, Cookson, Reedie, supported by UK government. That's where the focus should be.

No doubt Russia too would have preferred this method: just get as many Russian administrators in key global sports governmental positions as possible. Would have made it much easier for them to cover their tracks.

Richard Ings on twitter stating "doping exists in other countries too, but Russia is way out there".
That's either ignorance or a deliberate manipulation of reality.

Also check Rob Harris' twitter account. So much gratuite Russia bashing, without any substantial reflection on UK's own state sponsored sports corruption.

What is missing in all of this is the Lausanne lab deliberately destroyed Russian tests. It's not just a Russian issue inside of Russia. Lausanne was also named "plan b" as it appears when tests get sent their the outcome can be controlled. Which is most likely why the UCI use Lausanne.

The entire charade is hilarious and sad to think Walsh has joined in the chorus of "Evil Russian, Coe the saviour".

 

[sniper]

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What is missing in all of this is the Lausanne lab deliberately destroyed Russian tests. It's not just a Russian issue inside of Russia. Lausanne was also named "plan b" as it appears when tests get sent their the outcome can be controlled. Which is most likely why the UCI use Lausanne.

And as always, absolitely nobody to be held accountable.

An athlete gets caught, receives a 2 or 4 year ban. Carreer and reputation in ruins; possibly farreaching consequences for his/her private life, too.
A lab director can destroy 70 odd samples of dopers (and the sweet Lord knows how many more!) and pocket brown envelopes left right center with guaranteed impunity.

Anyway, yes, UCI have always relied heavily on collaboration with the Lausanne lab, for quite transparent reasons: results management.

 

[TourOfSardinia]

Months pass and everything becomes okay again

IAAF finds no evidence Sebastian Coe knew of alleged Qatar ‘brown envelopes’

https://www.theguardian.com/sport/2016/oct/24/sebastian-coe-iaaf-qatar-brown-envelopes-athletics

 

[heart_attack_man]

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Months pass and everything becomes okay again

IAAF finds no evidence Sebastian Coe knew of alleged Qatar ‘brown envelopes’

https://www.theguardian.com/sport/2016/oct/24/sebastian-coe-iaaf-qatar-brown-envelopes-athletics

Time heals all wounds?

Always the likely outcome. It'll take something earth-shattering for things to really get shaken up at IAAF, and this was never going to be it. Shame, really.

 

[Zebadeedee]

All we await now is for Coe's pal, Nick Davies, to sidle back in and complete the transformation.

 

[Benotti69]

Jack Robertson's quote is appropriate;

But the people in charge are basically raping their sports and the system for self-interest.

Sport is seriously broken.

 

[BullsFan22]

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Jack Robertson's quote is appropriate;

But the people in charge are basically raping their sports and the system for self-interest.

Sport is seriously broken.

C'mon Benotti, you've posted that quote many times already. We get it.

 

[yaco]

I've only ever chatted with Tamsyn on one occasion,
several years ago, and Seb's name did not come up.

i was in the same gym when she was freeloading at my uni. she seemed very slight and short, s'pose it is only 800. tamsyn lewis

Good old Tamsyn Lewis - Never out of the media in Australia - Got far more publicity then deserved - Made more money then her talents deserve - And her catfights with Jana Pitman were legendary.

 

[yaco]

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Hajo Seppelt ‏@hajoseppelt 14m14 minutes ago

Must read: comment on @sebcoe and @iaaforg in big german newspaper @faznet. Whorthwhile to translate into english

http://www.faz.net/aktuell/sport/mehr-sport/sebastian-coes-haltung-macht-einen-neubeginn-beim-iaaf-unmoeglich-13981143.html

(Please excuse google translate)
Betrayed Athletics Doctor Jekyll and Lord Coe

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Haajo Seppelt seems to be fixated on Russian doping, all the while completely ignoring decades of doping in Germany and before that, East and West Germany. This includes widespread doping in the Bundesliga, German football, by far the biggest sport in Germany. He also never questioned German biathlon, which has ties to doping labs in Freiburg and Vienna. I really don't see much of a difference between him and David Walsh. Harsh on some dopers, while totally ignoring the others.

Could you be anymore ill-informed?

Also David Walsh has a patent on being David Walsh, no one could be as bad as our David.

Together with the former Canadian swimmer Karin Helmstaedt, Seppelt made the documentary film Staatsgeheimnis Kinderdoping (State Secret Child Doping) about the perpetrators and victims of doping in East German swimming. It was broadcast by ARD. Together with Holger Schück, he published the book Anklage: Kinderdoping. Das Erbe des DDR-Sports (Indictment Doping: The Legacy of East German Sports) in 1999. It also dealt with the topic of state doping in Communist East Germany.

In 2006, Seppelt reported extensively about the doping problem in cycling. Among other things, his research led to the identification of the German physician Markus Choina as a member of the doping network organized by Spanish doctor Eufemiano Fuentes.[1] In November of that year, he was awarded the Leuchtturm für besondere publizistische Leistungen (Lighthouse Prize for Special Journalist Achievement) by the journalists’ association Netzwerk Recherche for his research, reports and exclusive revelations about cyclists Jan Ullrich and Floyd Landis and Eufemiano Fuentes.[2]

In the television report Mission: Sauberer Sport (The Mission to Clean Up Sports), Seppelt and Jo Goll documented the work of German doping controllers. The film highlighted flaws in Germany’s doping-control system and caused heady public discussions, which contributed to structural changes in Germany’s National Anti Doping Agency (NADA). The report won the Silver Chest Award 2007 at the International Television Film Festival in Plovdiv and the international Sports Movie and TV Award 2007 in Milan.[3] The film was also nominated for the German Television Prize and the Prix Europa.

Seppelt’s work was not without controversy. In mid-January the German Skiing Association (DSV) took legal action, and a Hamburg court issued an injunction against him for refusing to make a cease-and-desist declaration demanded by the DSV about suspicions that German cross-country skiers and biathletes had engaged in blood doping in a Vienna laboratory.[4] A superior court in Hamburg overturned that ruling in Seppelt’s favor, concluding that DSV had no right to demand the cease-and-desist declaration because it was not affected by the journalist’s reporting. The ruling was based constitutional guarantees of journalist freedom in cases of anonymous sources. The judgement also overturned an injunction from October 21, 2008.[5] Seppelt’s suspicion could not be proved after extensive investigations.

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hajo_Seppelt

Ok, so really nothing came out of that. No suspensions, no sanctions, no fines, nothing. One story about Russia and it explodes. It's funny though, German state run media targeting Russian state run programs. In essence, it's govt vs govt.

Without Seppelt Contador's positive would never have seen the light of day. Contador got suspended.
But regardless, i don't think Seppelt is in anyway accountable for the judicial processes that emanate (or not) from his investigations. Some of the stuff he reported on in Germany got subsequently 'surpressed' as a result of very slow and opaque acting from the German justice department, other stuff fell outside of SoL.
In sum, I don't see any evidence of Seppelt having a political agenda. His current beef is more with Coe than it is with any of the Russian officials. He's also putting his *** on the line for two Russian whistleblowers.
That said, like you, I would love to see him expand his scope to western countries or back to Germany (soccer?).
Or if we're lucky we see new investigative journalists stand up and follow in his footsteps.
Right now he's pretty much the only journo doing anything of note to combat corruption in sport.

Agree that Seppelt is doing an outstanding job but even when State Criminal Agencies, they move slowly/or not at all when it comes to matters in their own backyard.

The joint Swiss Justice/FBI investigation and bust of corruption of FIFA officials only went back to the awarding of the 1998 World Cup - Strange that this FBI investigation did not go back further to at least cover the World Cup held in the USA in 1994 - I doubt that FIFA officials only started being corrupt in 1998.

 

[Zebadeedee]

Baron Cleans' right hand man admits to trousering a £25k bribe, but proffers his excuse that he did so entirely inadvertently:-

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/sport/sportsnews/article-3958488/Sebastian-Coe-s-former-aide-Nick-Davies-admits-taking-25-000-bribe-bury-Russian-doping-tests.html

His bases his defence on a variation of the well known Blatini Gambit. Ever cleans, he's now back inside the IAAF.

 

[thehog]

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Baron Cleans' right hand man admits to trousering a £25k bribe, but proffers his excuse that he did so entirely inadvertently:-

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/sport/sportsnews/article-3958488/Sebastian-Coe-s-former-aide-Nick-Davies-admits-taking-25-000-bribe-bury-Russian-doping-tests.html

His bases his defence on a variation of the well known Blatini Gambit. Ever cleans, he's now back inside the IAAF.

I feel sorry for Coe & Davies, they were only trying to do the right thing :lol:

 

[sniper]

This news is probably part of a wider anti-British smear campaign.

 

[thehog]

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This news is probably part of a wider anti-British smear campaign.

I believe so, one mans bribe is another mans bonus :surprised:

 

[sniper]

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This news is probably part of a wider anti-British smear campaign.

I believe so, one mans bribe is another mans bonus :surprised:

Wonder what Jesse Norman MP thinks about all these bonuses.

The lead author Rolf Ulrich wrote in an open letter to Jesse Norman MP, the chair of the committee: “We were surprised to hear several misleading and incorrect claims about our research made by Lord Coe and also by Thomas Capdevielle during this meeting.

The letter added: “If these organisations [the IAAF and Wada] – as they claim – are really concerned about doping, we don’t understand why the IAAF blocked the publication of our paper now for over three years.”
The researchers say the IAAF, the athletics world governing body of which Lord Coe is president, has blocked publication.
https://www.theguardian.com/sport/2016/mar/10/sebastian-coe-evidence-select-committee-misleading-iaaf

 

[Zebadeedee]

The fact that Baron Cleans has got his crooked pal reinstalled within the IAAF in double quick time rather suggests the latter has some leverage over Mr Cleans himself. Organising a gala dinner, my foot!

 

[sniper]

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The fact that Baron Cleans has got his crooked pal reinstalled within the IAAF in double quick time rather suggests the latter has some leverage over Mr Cleans himself. Organising a gala dinner, my foot!

Davies' reinstatement is insane.
Reedie-approved no doubt.

 

[Zebadeedee]

Copied from today's Mail:-
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"What rotten timing, Nick
Nick Davies, former aide and confidant of Lord Coe at the IAAF, has a good explanation for accepting £25,000 from the Russians at the height of what we now know was a systemic doping scandal.
Davies says he thought the money was a bonus for his hard work, and to ensure the 2013 World Championships in Russia were a success.
Was Davies employed by Russia? No. Then why did he think they would be paying his bonuses?
Lord Coe's former aide Nick Davies (right) pictured in Central London last year

Lord Coe's former aide Nick Davies (right) pictured in Central London last year
Emails from 2013 show Davies also discussed a ‘five point plan’ to delay the naming of Russian drugs cheats. The next year it became public knowledge that senior executives at the IAAF were extorting money to cover up Russian doping.
‘I was never mixed up with or aware of the criminal activities which are now in the public domain,’ Davies says.
No, he was just paid £25,000 by those involved in the cover-up, and discussed ways to perpetuate a cover-up at roughly the same time as a cover-up was perpetuated. What an unfortunate coincidence; and so many of them about these days."

Read more: http://www.dailymail.co.uk/sport/football/article-3962124/What-planet-FIFA-32-team-Club-World-Cup-idea.html#ixzz4QpjSJvTG

People deride this newspaper but time and again it comes up with the goods, as this article shows.

 

[sniper]

Copied from today's Mail:-
________________________

"What rotten timing, Nick
Nick Davies, former aide and confidant of Lord Coe at the IAAF, has a good explanation for accepting £25,000 from the Russians at the height of what we now know was a systemic doping scandal.
Davies says he thought the money was a bonus for his hard work, and to ensure the 2013 World Championships in Russia were a success.
Was Davies employed by Russia? No. Then why did he think they would be paying his bonuses?
Lord Coe's former aide Nick Davies (right) pictured in Central London last year

Lord Coe's former aide Nick Davies (right) pictured in Central London last year
Emails from 2013 show Davies also discussed a ‘five point plan’ to delay the naming of Russian drugs cheats. The next year it became public knowledge that senior executives at the IAAF were extorting money to cover up Russian doping.
‘I was never mixed up with or aware of the criminal activities which are now in the public domain,’ Davies says.
No, he was just paid £25,000 by those involved in the cover-up, and discussed ways to perpetuate a cover-up at roughly the same time as a cover-up was perpetuated. What an unfortunate coincidence; and so many of them about these days."

Read more: http://www.dailymail.co.uk/sport/football/article-3962124/What-planet-FIFA-32-team-Club-World-Cup-idea.html#ixzz4QpjSJvTG

People deride this newspaper but time and again it comes up with the goods, as this article shows.

Indeed.
Not just Lawton. But particularly also Nick Harris with pieces on Team Sky and on Russia state doping well before Seppelt broke the Stepanov story, and Marta Kelner now with this stuff on Davies.
They have less reach, but they're better at cutting through the crap than most.

 

[DirtyWorks]

Habib Cisse's email pretty much does Coe in. It has been added to the end of the original story.

http://www.sportschau.de/weitere/leichtathletik/leichtathletik-korruption-schutzgeld-russland-englische-version-100.html

Somehow, Coe knows nothing.

 

[thehog]

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Habib Cisse's email pretty much does Coe in. It has been added to the end of the original story.

http://www.sportschau.de/weitere/leichtathletik/leichtathletik-korruption-schutzgeld-russland-englische-version-100.html

Somehow, Coe knows nothing.

I'd love to say it's the end for Coe but he has an increadable knack of getting out of the impossible.

Finally, during our numerous and long meetings "the IAAF Ambassadors" showed us the list of athletes with ABP violations which included not only Russian athletes. Surprisingly, we found there some prominent British athletes including Olympic champion and icon of the GB sports. Our question is why did not the IAAF to require from GB Athletics to sanction these athletes. Be sure that this question will be asked in our explanations and the names of the athletes who were under ABP investigation will also be disclosed. We will demand fair and transparent public procedure in regard of ail athletes with the alleged ABP violations.

 

[sniper]

Rena ‏@ilswordfish 1 Std.Vor 1 Stunde

Sportschau.de claims Reedie (WADS) was involved in cover ups of Russian athletes. They have apparently documents as proof.

 

[sniper]

Coe declined an interview with Seppelt last week about the new findings.

 

[DirtyWorks]

Check the Fancy Bears thread. Apparently emails from Reedie were captured and show him actively slowing any kind of effort to address corruption. Only now (2016-11-28) are FancyBear releasing the content.

Seppelt's video production of the recent revelations. http://www.sportschau.de/doping/video-doping---top-secret-the-protection-racket-100.html

We can be sure Coe knows nothing.

 

[keeponrollin]

Its funny that Coe, Davies, & Reedies best defense is that; they aren't very experienced at this whole bribery & corruption business, so are making rookie mistakes.....

... I guess you could say that they don't meet the Olympic Entry Standard for sleaze