Basso suggests Sky doping? Likens them to Armstrong/USPS

[Galic Ho]

What will be interesting is how Contador and Andy counteract these tactics. Could be some interesting performances in the next Tour. Can't see Sky changing a winning formula but Rogers will be missed.

Rogers off the juice is garbage. Really mediocre. He does have one use though. Falling down. Seriously take watch of him in 2013. If Sky needs to is it too far off the reserve to think he could have been paid enough money to leave the team and sabotage Contador? Sky fear Contador. Everyone does. They know how good Alberto is. Rogers slipping off the bike and AC gets caught out and Sky profit.

Pretty sure though Riis will have that boy countered and watched. Rogers ain't very smart. Riis is a smart cookie though. He'll be watching him. I wonder if Riis could get him to cause a Sky pile-up? Ooohhhh....that does sound promising doesn't it! If Rogers is off the juice, his ability to stay upright diminishes. Riis needs to juice him up right and proper.

As for Andy Schleck. Even him winning the Tour is 100 times better than a Sky rider winning. This last year reminded me of how Andy has unfortunately been the whipping boy for a lot of fans because he was no.2 and didn't seem to have that hunger for no.1. Anyone who dislikes Sky should barrack for him regardless. I think Froome is the one who will go apocalyptic doping wise. Also be interesting to watch the inner sanctum at Sky. I expect Froome and Wiggins to form their own cliques. Thomas, Kennaugh and Stennard will all want places. Sad, because they'll get them. Real talent on the team clean is EBH and the South Americans. The Anglos are actually garbage by comparison. Especially Froome.

 

[Fearless Greg Lemond]

Riis is a smart cookie though.

Guess he really wants to know how on earth Ritchie Porte [former SAXO of course] is making Ivan Basso riding at 6w/k.

Bjarne knows the juice Ritchie was on at his team, he wants to know them marginal gains.

 

[Galic Ho]

Guess he really wants to know how on earth Ritchie Porte [former SAXO of course] is making Ivan Basso riding at 6w/k.

Bjarne knows the juice Ritchie was on at his team, he wants to know them marginal gains.

Yeah that might be part of it. Riis knows that you steal the helper. So get the road captain who is the helper. Anyone here thought Porte might be Sky's Vuelta leader? He'll want a crack sometime at GC. Froome before Rogers left said he wanted the Tour. Wiggins wanted the Giro at that time, but has now recanted (jealousy if you ask me).

So who is the odd one out in the Gang of Four? Rogers. And Sky had reason to get rid of him with their pedantic point scoring in anti-doping chicanery. Riis is the real winner and he can get a leg up on how far Rogers and the Gang of Four went in 2012 now they are down one man and he's in Riis corner.

Good call dude. Good call. Explains why Riis would hire Rogers. I'd have passed him over, but not Bjarne. Very good call. I still think Rogers needs to be watched whilst he is riding. He clearly liked being on Sky this year. I wouldn't trust him. Perhaps let him whet his appetite to sway his allegiance. Give him a race to target and get a win in. Rogers at HTC put up some good performances over week long races. 3 week GT's he's historically rubbish, but week long, yeah he can win those before fatigue sets in. ToC calibre or there abouts IMO. Give him one of those. What Riis does will be telling about Rogers mental condition and focus. If Rogers is a threat to Saxo, they'll give him some free reign IMO to go after stuff Sky wouldn't have permitted. Or maybe Rogers just likes the way dope makes him feel? Those types you cannot really bribe to switch loyalty fully. After all the OP is right, if Rogers and Porte made Ivan Basso struggle then something is wrong.

 

[BroDeal]

Elisa Basso is the partner of Eddie Mazzoleni.

You can do your own Googling in him if you don't know his history.
I watched him ride in the Giro in 07, on his way to the finish in Bergamo, his home town. I didn't really know who he was at the time, but me and a mate both commented on him as he went past. His eyes looked wild.

Ah, an early adopter of the Johan Bruyneel "look 'em in the eye" theory of doper detection. Funny how the eyes of Eddie M. were remarkable but the performance of Froome, also known as the British Ricco, is not.

 

[hondated]

Starting with the Aussie slam in a few weeks. Might be cleaner for once now that Nadal is sitting out.

I was wondering about that and I think you may be right,

 

[Joachim]

You didn't see his eyes

 

[Fearless Greg Lemond]

Yeah that might be part of it. Riis knows that you steal the helper. So get the road captain who is the helper. Anyone here thought Porte might be Sky's Vuelta leader? He'll want a crack sometime at GC. Froome before Rogers left said he wanted the Tour. Wiggins wanted the Giro at that time, but has now recanted (jealousy if you ask me).

So who is the odd one out in the Gang of Four? Rogers. And Sky had reason to get rid of him with their pedantic point scoring in anti-doping chicanery. Riis is the real winner and he can get a leg up on how far Rogers and the Gang of Four went in 2012 now they are down one man and he's in Riis corner.

Good call dude. Good call. Explains why Riis would hire Rogers. I'd have passed him over, but not Bjarne. Very good call. I still think Rogers needs to be watched whilst he is riding. He clearly liked being on Sky this year. I wouldn't trust him. Perhaps let him whet his appetite to sway his allegiance. Give him a race to target and get a win in. Rogers at HTC put up some good performances over week long races. 3 week GT's he's historically rubbish, but week long, yeah he can win those before fatigue sets in. ToC calibre or there abouts IMO. Give him one of those. What Riis does will be telling about Rogers mental condition and focus. If Rogers is a threat to Saxo, they'll give him some free reign IMO to go after stuff Sky wouldn't have permitted. Or maybe Rogers just likes the way dope makes him feel? Those types you cannot really bribe to switch loyalty fully. After all the OP is right, if Rogers and Porte made Ivan Basso struggle then something is wrong.

It is just simple mathematics. We have learned of Vaughters, even on this forum, teammanagers get to see the blood passport data before signing riders. The only thing Riis has to do to get to 'the Wholy Grail of Sky' is to compare the data when he [Rogers] is riding for deal oll Bjarne.

Or just ask Mick of course: ''Hey Mick, ya old Ferrarista, wtf have you been doing with Geert? I still kinda know him because he was also matey matey with Luigi [Checchini for the mather]''.

We have an interesting season coming up peeps.

To the bold: that's just it. Not picked up by the media of course.

 

[thehog]

It is just simple mathematics. We have learned of Vaughters, even on this forum, teammanagers get to see the blood passport data before signing riders. The only thing Riis has to do to get to 'the Wholy Grail of Sky' is to compare the data when he [Rogers] is riding for deal oll Bjarne.

Or just ask Mick of course: ''Hey Mick, ya old Ferrarista, wtf have you been doing with Geert? I still kinda know him because he was also matey matey with Luigi [Checchini for the mather]''.

We have an interesting season coming up peeps.

To the bold: that's just it. Not picked up by the media of course.

Correct. Riis wasn't buying WorldTour points when he paid for Rogers.

Rogers was much more valuable than that...

 

[70kmph]

Not Basso the guy whose blood was found in Spain but he wasnt going to infuse it

The guy whose sister was running a doping operation

It cant be the same guy who signed on to ride for Discovery, no way

 

[thehog]

Not Basso the guy whose blood was found in Spain but he wasnt going to infuse it

The guy whose sister was running a doping operation

It cant be the same guy who signed on to ride for Discovery, no way

Strange, yes? Like David Miller who used to keep empty syringes to remind of the terrible path he'd taken. You know David Miller the guy telling us Sky are clean.

Ivan knows. Seen both sides of the story. His word counts than a guy with a direct conflict of interest (sister at Sky).

Ivan is a friend of the Clinic.

 

[Joachim]

Yeah right.

We know Basso has seen one side of the story, definitely.

 

[Fearless Greg Lemond]

Yeah right.

We know Basso has seen one side of the story, definitely.

And thus knows what is humanly possible. Rode with Boifava [Conconi], Ferretti [Cecchini], Bruyneel [Ferrari], Riiis [Cecchini] and I guess he knows what is going on in that in cycling terms 'not interesting pro - cycling'.

 

[thehog]

And thus knows what is humanly possible. Rode with Boifava [Conconi], Ferretti [Cecchini], Bruyneel [Ferrari], Riiis [Cecchini] and I guess he knows what is going on in that in cycling terms 'not interesting pro - cycling'.

Lance playbook at full throttle;

Basso - "bitter, discredited ex-doper" - "cannot be trusted".

 

[del1962]

Strange, yes? Like David Miller who used to keep empty syringes to remind of the terrible path he'd taken. You know David Miller the guy telling us Sky are clean.

Ivan knows. Seen both sides of the story. His word counts than a guy with a direct conflict of interest (sister at Sky).

Ivan is a friend of the Clinic.

Millar should have said he was only intending to use the stuff he was caught with, then he would have respect in the clinic that Basso has.

 

[thehog]

Millar should have said he was only intending to use the stuff he was caught with, then he would have respect in the clinic that Basso has.

Miller only doped three times in his life according to himself.

He confessed just enough to beat more jail time.

In fact be only confessed after a night in the clink.

Yes David Miller (TM) is a reformed doper. Showed us the way to confession.

In fact when Landis decide a full confessional Dave got upset. What's this? A full confession? But why? Is that man trying to destroy cycling.

David Miller is no friend of the Clinic.

He is a friend of the UCI though.

 

[Joachim]

Besides, if you read the interview that 'thehog' is using to suggest that Basso is snitching on Wiggins you'll find Basso praising Wiggins as a champion.

So, either thehog is just plain wrong (most likely) or he is right and Basso is calling Wiggins a champion in the full knowledge that he got there by cheating.

Whichever it is, one thing we learn is that 'thehog' selectively quotes out of context. I have put this exact point to him before but, surprise surprise, he didn't respond to it.

 

[Susan Westemeyer]

Please note that it is not funny or really acceptable to purposely misspell someone's name. Please correct that.

Thank you.

Susan

 

[Joachim]

Now this I agree with.

Miller only doped three times in his life according to himself.

He confessed just enough to beat more jail time.

In fact be only confessed after a night in the clink.

Yes David Miller (TM) is a reformed doper. Showed us the way to confession.

In fact when Landis decide a full confessional Dave got upset. What's this? A full confession? But why? Is that man trying to destroy cycling.

David Miller is no friend of the Clinic.

Apart from this bit:

He is a friend of the UCI though.

Google 'David Millar UCI' and find me some evidence for that claim

 

[Joachim]

Please note that it is not funny or really acceptable to purposely misspell someone's name. Please correct that.

Thank you.

Susan

To whom are you referring, Susan?

 

[Libertine Seguros]

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.........According to CONI, Elisa Basso is forbidden “to join or to hold any position within the Italian Olympic Committee, Italian national sporting federations or the associated sporting disciplines; to frequent sporting facilities, spaces designated for athletes and their coaches; or to take part in sporting events that are held in national territory or are organised by the forenamed sporting entities.”

Yikes.....

Yes, because she's a drug dealer. Her and Eddy Mazz are the link between Rumsas+wife and Riccò/Rossi.

Yeah right.

We know Basso has seen one side of the story, definitely.

While I'd not go so far as Hog in his praise of Basso, I'd certainly consider his view on Sky to be less likely to be biased by personal interest than David Millar's, seeing as with Millar
1) his sister works for them
2) his continued selection for the GB national team is contingent on being selected by the guy who is in charge at Sky.

 

[thehog]

Yes, because she's a drug dealer. Her and Eddy Mazz are the link between Rumsas+wife and Riccò/Rossi.

While I'd not go so far as Hog in his praise of Basso, I'd certainly consider his view on Sky to be less likely to be biased by personal interest than David Millar's, seeing as with Millar
1) his sister works for them
2) his continued selection for the GB national team is contingent on being selected by the guy who is in charge at Sky.

3) Millar sits on the WADA panel.
4) has aspirations (self confessed) of moving into sports politics (UCI).

It's in his (self) interest to pretend the sport is clean.

 

[bianchigirl]

Always enjoy the fact that millar was dining with brailsford the night he was arrested in Biarritz

 

[thehog]

Always enjoy the fact that millar was dining with brailsford the night he was arrested in Biarritz

I wonder if Brailsford had to pick up the check?

 

[will10]

Always enjoy the fact that millar was dining with brailsford the night he was arrested in Biarritz

Well if Brailsford didn't know that Leinders was a doping doctor, or that Julich, Yates & Rogers had a doping past, how can we expect him to know that Millar was up to no good?

 

[JimmyFingers]

I wonder if Brailsford had to pick up the check?

Cheque. Thought you were a 'town and gown'?