being on the record...manifesto baby

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pastronef said:
anti-brit bias aside. is "the most incredible donkey to racehorse" stuff, about Froome, somehow related to the how the people perceive what should be fair or not?
is that thing choking in the followers throats every time they see Froome, because it is not allowed?
because ok gimme Boonen or Alberto and I will close eyes and ears and WANT to support them, while seeing Froome do the same it touches the "truth" alarm and also involves Alberto and Boonen and Nibali and all the others cause they dope too?
is Froome madness also ringing a bell for everyone? and that means people really understand they support dopers too, while before they pretended they didnt see? they pretended it was normal, it was the old euro doping tradition?
are we seeing the pesky brits doing what they werent supposed to do, go berzerk, win the Tours, and shake the old status quo where the old nations did the same but it was always so and it was fine?
It was not the same - the transformation was unique to Froome
Lance was the evidence that a guy with medium quality could win big. Froome the evidence that a guy with no talent could win big.
 
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Maxiton said:
1) I like manifestos in general.

2) Professional sports are about money, not sport. They are a simulacrum of sport, one in which their starring figures make a Faustian bargain in exchange for fame, fake glory, and, in exceptional cases, real riches.

3) In a system that is corrupt through and through, such as professional sports, fame can turn to infamy in a flash. The true stars of pro sports are not the players but the big money behind the scenes, and they won't tolerate anyone, or anything, who threatens their interests.

4) The only hope for reforming pro sport into something healthy and wholesome is a strong players union controlled by the players, combined with open discussion among enlightened fans who demand better than they are getting.

5) Lance Armstrong is a reprehensible character, but he is as much a victim as a perpetrator and a straw man where corruption in cycle sport is concerned. The sport is as corrupt now as it was in his heyday.

6) Today's cycling stars - Froome, Wiggins, Horner, et al. - and their teams, are as fake as Fox News. Vaughters and his team are no exception, far from it.

7) I too despise Bruce Springsteen.
....actually Brucie is/can be ok.....some of the fans not so much.....similar problem to the Dead crowd...
 
pastronef said:
anti-brit bias aside. is "the most incredible donkey to racehorse" stuff, about Froome, somehow related to the how the people perceive what should be fair or not?
is that thing choking in the followers throats every time they see Froome, because it is not allowed?
because ok gimme Boonen or Alberto and I will close eyes and ears and WANT to support them, while seeing Froome do the same it touches the "truth" alarm and also involves Alberto and Boonen and Nibali and all the others cause they dope too?
is Froome madness also ringing a bell for everyone? and that means people really understand they support dopers too, while before they pretended they didnt see? they pretended it was normal, it was the old euro doping tradition?
are we seeing the pesky brits doing what they werent supposed to do, go berzerk, win the Tours, and shake the old status quo where the old nations did the same but it was always so and it was fine?
Yes it's all about Brit bashing. :lol:

We've never had this discussion before :rolleyes:
 
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Like other posts - not sure where else this could go.

https://twitter.com/andrewrheyes/status/935818911605514240

@mdsportex discussing causes of inadvertent Doping @ukantidoping @basesuk #BASESFEPSAC17 Examples such as Baxter, Williams and Warburton, Contador, Sharapova. Athletes must take care when purchasing medication and supplements


Dr Ian D. Boardley
@mdsportex

Senior Lecturer in Sport Psychology. Research specialisms in moral disengagement, anti-doping, & prosocial & antisocial behaviour.

Its hard to believe that in 2017 after all the *** of the last 30 years "inadvertent doping" is the best fit to Sharapova, Contador, Warburton and Williams. I suppose these are the numpties Raimondas Rumsas was targetting when he told then that van full of PEDs his wife was trafficing around France were for his mother in Law ?

Ian what is that doctorate in - "the nutritional requirements of unicorns and the effects on the UKs pixie population" ? The "wrong people"....... Yeah I will remember that next time, Edita must take care what meds she buys to help out her mother's ticklish, nightime, chesty, cough. Thanks, If I had only known.
 
from the Froome thread question about reactions towards other riders if they were involved is a positive case like Froome

slosada said:
What would you, Sky fans, think if the subject was Nibali or Quintana or any other GC rider?
I´d buy a bucket of popcorns and enjoy the show. I am a Sky fan and I am interested in Sky and try to remember clinic posts and tweets and try to defend them (rightly and wrongly, I know)
I am not a hater nor focused on cyclists I dont like (or despise). I dont know what Nibali, Quintana, Sagan, Aru or other GC guys are doing, if they are on Strava, what they said in the interviews these years, if they wrote a book, the finish orders of the races they raced 2-3-4-7-10 years ago, where are they training every day, I dont check theit twitter or instagram, I dont know how many doctors their team have, if they train with motorpacing, if they use the same kit every day, if they are thin or fat, I dont know the average speed of their training, the zones of training power, their hearthrate etc. I dont care.
so I couldnt be on here analyzing their every action, words, pedal stroke, race finish and so on.
I would enjoy the show and read the reactions on here, but I can´t contribute to the accusations, or defence of these riders, because I dont know very much. I know it´s subjective.
I am a Sky defender but I wouldnt have the same drive in accusing any rider. sure, I would enjoy very much if Nibs or Sagan got caught, not for them, not because I want them to be erased and never see them ride, but for the fans, to see the fans reactions.
 
pastronef said:
from the Froome thread question about reactions towards other riders if they were involved is a positive case like Froome

slosada said:
What would you, Sky fans, think if the subject was Nibali or Quintana or any other GC rider?
I´d buy a bucket of popcorns and enjoy the show. I am a Sky fan and I am interested in Sky and try to remember clinic posts and tweets and try to defend them (rightly and wrongly, I know)
I am not a hater nor focused on cyclists I dont like (or despise). I dont know what Nibali, Quintana, Sagan, Aru or other GC guys are doing, if they are on Strava, what they said in the interviews these years, if they wrote a book, the finish orders of the races they raced 2-3-4-7-10 years ago, where are they training every day, I dont check theit twitter or instagram, I dont know how many doctors their team have, if they train with motorpacing, if they use the same kit every day, if they are thin or fat, I dont know the average speed of their training, the zones of training power, their hearthrate etc. I dont care.
so I couldnt be on here analyzing their every action, words, pedal stroke, race finish and so on.
I would enjoy the show and read the reactions on here, but I can´t contribute to the accusations, or defence of these riders, because I dont know very much. I know it´s subjective.
I am a Sky defender but I wouldnt have the same drive in accusing any rider. sure, I would enjoy very much if Nibs or Sagan got caught, not for them, not because I want them to be erased and never see them ride, but for the fans, to see the fans reactions.
I wish Gooner was still about but his blind faith lead him to deleting his account. Same happened with Lance, the most rabid just disappeared.
 
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Not sure where else to put this. I just listened to a podcast from Danish TV 2, and the journalist said that "it is well-known that the 90's and some of the nougties were different than now regarding doping."

Really? Is that well-known? Isn't it just the narrative journos and insiders have been (successfully) pushing? I am neither for nor against doping and enjoy te sport regardless, but I have no doubt that doping in cycling hasn't mysteriously decreased (dramatically) in the last 10-15 years.
 

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