Betsy Andreu Is A National Treasure

[MacRoadie]

ROFL...now THAT is genius.

So, the interns at the "teaching hospital" (most are by the way), with white coats and blue scrubs just come into a room of people to ask Lance, "Did you take PEDs?"

Yeah, the story gets more and more unbelievable and reasonable doubt is more than enough.

Imagine you are just sitting in a conference room, watching a football game with people, (they all agree to that), then, some white coats/blue scrubs people walk in and just ask, hey, we want to ask Lance some questions. Betsy insists they should leave??? Yeah, ok. Then Lance says OK, you can stay. So they just come right out and say "Lance, did you do PEDs, any drugs?"

The white coats/blue scrub kids walk out of the room and say, OK. Don't write this down, don't document anything, just a random PED inquiry at the local "teaching hospital."

Don't be alarmed Betsy....this is just your normal post surgery, have you taken any drugs, PEDs or anything like that. It is important for your Lance's recovery. By the way, let's not write this down, and his primary doctor wouldn't ever read this in his file, because it is all just for charity, the kids and teaching purposes.

Man...that is just silly sounding isn't it??

There's really just too much stupidity in there to answer but I'll try anyway.

1. NOT all hospitals are "teaching hospitals". Many utilize interns, but very few (typically those associated directly with a med school, introduce upper level med school students. In either case, they aren't "kids" they are in their mid to late twenties.

2. Exactly where does it say that they came in and asked only one question? Did you happen to read the part where they asked the other people present to leave the room, but that Lance said it was Ok for them to stay? How long did the doctors stay? Can you introduce anything to suggest that a more comprehensive questioning was performed?

3. If students/interns were on teaching rounds and coming through in groups, if the questions they ask are incorrect or not germane to the patient's case, or if they are duplicative of questions previously answered, then why is it so difficult to comprehend that not everything that was said down would be included in the official case records? Filling a file with repetetive or potentially useless information makes zero sense.

4. Do you know when Nichols became Armstrong's primary care oncologist? Was it before or after the diagnosis? Before or after the surgery? Was he Armstrong's doctor at the time that the hospital room incident allegedly occurred?

5. I missed where, in your little ad hominem against Betsy, where you included Stephanie McIlvain's name. Shouldn't we ask her the same questions? She said she heard the same thing.

6. Also, what happened to your "His mommy was there" argument? Did they produce Mom as a rebuttal witness? Seems pretty simple. Come to mention it, with all the people Betsy said WERE in the room, where are all their depositions? One would think there would be six or seven sworn depositions stating that none of the people Betsy said were there were even present, or if they were there that none of them heard the words she and Frankie (and Stephanie) heard.

 

[D-Queued]

ROFL...now THAT is genius.

So, the interns at the "teaching hospital" (most are by the way), with white coats and blue scrubs just come into a room of people to ask Lance, "Did you take PEDs?"

Yeah, the story gets more and more unbelievable and reasonable doubt is more than enough.

Imagine you are just sitting in a conference room, watching a football game with people, (they all agree to that), then, some white coats/blue scrubs people walk in and just ask, hey, we want to ask Lance some questions. Betsy insists they should leave??? Yeah, ok. Then Lance says OK, you can stay. So they just come right out and say "Lance, did you do PEDs, any drugs?"

The white coats/blue scrub kids walk out of the room and say, OK. Don't write this down, don't document anything, just a random PED inquiry at the local "teaching hospital."

Don't be alarmed Betsy....this is just your normal post surgery, have you taken any drugs, PEDs or anything like that. It is important for your Lance's recovery. By the way, let's not write this down, and his primary doctor wouldn't ever read this in his file, because it is all just for charity, the kids and teaching purposes.

Man...that is just silly sounding isn't it??

No, this is more than silly. This appears either stupid or purposeful misdirection.

What is one of the first assignments for any intern/resident?

Don't think too hard now.

How about 'History'?

Standard questions would include...?

Would you like a citation? How about:

4. Are you taking any medications, non-prescription drugs or herbal supplements of any kind? If yes, please list.

There are probably 5.34 million other citations according to Google.

Not only is this completely plausible, and not only is this standard practice, but has multiple witnesses that have testified that the questions were asked and the answers were provided.

If you have any real "evidence" then please present it. Otherwise, your 'silly comments' are simply an attempt to discredit a witness.

Dave.

 

[Anti-doping]

It's time to stop defending dopers like Frankie, and people (like Betsy) who try to convince people that Frankie just cheated a little bit. They are both like Lance..lying *******s...that ruin the sport of cycling.

 

[MacRoadie]

ROFL...now THAT is genius.

So, the interns at the "teaching hospital" (most are by the way), with white coats and blue scrubs just come into a room of people to ask Lance, "Did you take PEDs?"

Yeah, the story gets more and more unbelievable and reasonable doubt is more than enough.

Imagine you are just sitting in a conference room, watching a football game with people, (they all agree to that), then, some white coats/blue scrubs people walk in and just ask, hey, we want to ask Lance some questions. Betsy insists they should leave??? Yeah, ok. Then Lance says OK, you can stay. So they just come right out and say "Lance, did you do PEDs, any drugs?"

The white coats/blue scrub kids walk out of the room and say, OK. Don't write this down, don't document anything, just a random PED inquiry at the local "teaching hospital."

Don't be alarmed Betsy....this is just your normal post surgery, have you taken any drugs, PEDs or anything like that. It is important for your Lance's recovery. By the way, let's not write this down, and his primary doctor wouldn't ever read this in his file, because it is all just for charity, the kids and teaching purposes.

Man...that is just silly sounding isn't it??

And what about this nugget?

Still Armstrong's lawyer, Tim Herman, says the Andreu's could have heard wrong.

"Mr. Armstrong was taking steroids at the time, as part of his post-operative treatment," Herman said. "It's very possible that there could've been mention of steroids and epo in this conversation with these two doctors indicating either the current regimen, or the regimen that Armstrong was gonna be subject to after this surgery, or when he got out of the hospital."

So, two doctors that Tim Herman can't even identify (since Nichols says it wasn't him) were in the room asking some sort of questions, including some that may have involved post-operative EPO use. If they aren't his oncologists then who are they? Kids in blue scrubs and lab coats?

Who are these guys that you say don't exist but Herman seems to admit do? Why would they be asking him questions if he was in a conference room rather than his hospital room (as you suggest)?

Why isn't there a copy of this conversation in his official record? It seems that producing even a single, heavily redacted, page from those records showing the nature of this conversation would put the whole matter to rest.

 

[schnebit]

It's time to stop defending dopers like Frankie, and people (like Betsy) who try to convince people that Frankie just cheated a little bit. They are both like Lance..lying *******s...that ruin the sport of cycling.

Yeah, I have to agree with you here. Frankie (and Betsy for that matter), Tyler & Floyd are all of a sudden 'heroes" and it's just Lance that's the bad guy.

Frankly, they've all done harm to this sport... every single one of them. They're all cheaters, and the only reason they've 'come clean' is they were caught. There's nothing noble about it.

 

[Granville57]

Yeah, I have to agree with you here. Frankie (and Betsy for that matter), Tyler & Floyd are all of a sudden 'heroes" and it's just Lance that's the bad guy.

Right? That's what I've been trying to tell everyone. But they just won't listen!

Oh hey, let's you and me tell everyone about the time Lance went on TV and confessed to all his doping. Ya' know, just like Frankie, Floyd and Tyler.

Ready? You go first....

 

[Fausto's Schnauzer]

Right? That's what I've been trying to tell everyone. But they just won't listen!

Oh hey, let's you and me tell everyone about the time Lance went on TV and confessed to all his doping. Ya' know, just like Frankie, Floyd and Tyler.

Ready? You go first....

It was on the final Oprah, wasn't it? Damn, Lance sure did cry a lot. I really felt sorry for him. I bet he felt better after though. Nothing like Winfrey hug to make your boo boos all better.

 

[Race Radio]

Snip babble

If, in her 7 hours of GJ testimony, Stephanie McIlvain talks about how the hospital room incident did happen as Betsy remembered it and that she was pressured to lie would you come back here and apologize for this garbage?

 

[mewmewmew13]

If, in her 7 hours of GJ testimony, Stephanie McIlvain talks about how the hospital room incident did happen as Betsy remembered it and that she was pressured to lie would you come back here and apologize for this garbage?

hmmm. it's happening isn't it...

 

[pmcg76]

Yeah, I have to agree with you here. Frankie (and Betsy for that matter), Tyler & Floyd are all of a sudden 'heroes" and it's just Lance that's the bad guy.

Frankly, they've all done harm to this sport... every single one of them. They're all cheaters, and the only reason they've 'come clean' is they were caught. There's nothing noble about it.

Perhaps you could tell us when Frankie(& Betsy)were caught?

 

[schnebit]

Perhaps you could tell us when Frankie(& Betsy)were caught?

Well, Floyd and Tyler were caught.

Frankie is still an admitted doper.

 

[pmcg76]

Well, Floyd and Tyler were caught.

Frankie is still an admitted doper.

Why did he admit?

 

[schnebit]

Why did he admit?

Not sure the 'why' matters... fact is, he was part of the system and a doper.

 

[MacRoadie]

Not sure the 'why' matters... fact is, he was part of the system and a doper.

Ah, so now it becomes clearer.

If you dope and lie about it, then tell the truth you're bad.

If you dope and come clean without any provocation, fully accepting responsibility, you're just as bad.

If you dope and continue to lie about it, well that's ok.

 

[pmcg76]

Not sure the 'why' matters... fact is, he was part of the system and a doper.

Ok, let me ask you this. How do you know a rider is clean?

 

[schnebit]

Ah, so now it becomes clearer.

If you dope and lie about it, then tell the truth you're bad.

If you dope and come clean without any provocation, fully accepting responsibility, you're just as bad.

If you dope and continue to lie about it, well that's ok.

Man, I'm not sure where you guys draw your conclusions from.

Please, where did I ever say, "if you dope and continue to lie about it, well that's OK. Please, show me where I said that????

 

[VeloCity]

ROFL...now THAT is genius.

So, the interns at the "teaching hospital" (most are by the way), with white coats and blue scrubs just come into a room of people to ask Lance, "Did you take PEDs?"

Yeah, the story gets more and more unbelievable and reasonable doubt is more than enough.

Imagine you are just sitting in a conference room, watching a football game with people, (they all agree to that), then, some white coats/blue scrubs people walk in and just ask, hey, we want to ask Lance some questions. Betsy insists they should leave??? Yeah, ok. Then Lance says OK, you can stay. So they just come right out and say "Lance, did you do PEDs, any drugs?"

The white coats/blue scrub kids walk out of the room and say, OK. Don't write this down, don't document anything, just a random PED inquiry at the local "teaching hospital."

Don't be alarmed Betsy....this is just your normal post surgery, have you taken any drugs, PEDs or anything like that. It is important for your Lance's recovery. By the way, let's not write this down, and his primary doctor wouldn't ever read this in his file, because it is all just for charity, the kids and teaching purposes.

Man...that is just silly sounding isn't it??

Hmm lessee..Betsy was at the hospital. You weren't. Yep, gonna have to give this one to Betsy.

 

[Dr. Maserati]

It's time to stop defending dopers like Frankie, and people (like Betsy) who try to convince people that Frankie just cheated a little bit. They are both like Lance..lying *******s...that ruin the sport of cycling.

You mustn't have read much about Betsy - as she has never tried "to convince people that Frankie cheated just a little bit".

And no they are not alike - without any pressure Frankie admitted.
While Armstrong continues to lie in the face of overwhelming evidence.

Yeah, I have to agree with you here. Frankie (and Betsy for that matter), Tyler & Floyd are all of a sudden 'heroes" and it's just Lance that's the bad guy.

Frankly, they've all done harm to this sport... every single one of them. They're all cheaters, and the only reason they've 'come clean' is they were caught. There's nothing noble about it.

Wow - has Lance come clean, I must have missed it. Because before this it was a pretty obvious difference (that and what PMG pointed out).

 

[pmcg76]

You don't... but if they admit to being 'dirty' then you know that they are. It's not any more complicated than that.

Can they redeem themselves? Sure... but what bothers me is how it no longer seems to matter that Floyd lied, and deceived many, many people and convinced them to fund his defense. Why is that all of a sudden OK?

That becaue most cycling fans knew they were BSing first time around so never gave them a dime.

Its not ok that they cheated silly people out of money but the issue is Frankie, he is no different than a lot of other riders in that he didnt test positive. Difference is, he was honest enough to come forward and admit he doped. Many will not so in real terms Andreu is the most trustworthy of everyone because he was honest without coercion.

You might not believe Floyd or Tyler but Andreu, the most honorable cyclist of all is backing them. That counts for a lot as Andreu has no reason to back these guys. Right.

 

[tubularglue]

Are we typing in generalities, or just opinion?

 

[schnebit]

time to stop feeding the troll.

Dude, you seem to be the one who's the troll.

I wasn't correcting your grammer, but I wasn't about to use incorrect grammer in my response!

 

[MacRoadie]

In the weeks before the 1999 Tour, Andreu’s wife, Betsy, found one of those thermoses in her refrigerator. She was furious.

“I remember Frankie saying: ‘You don’t understand. This is the only way I can even finish the Tour,’ ” she said. “ ‘After this, I promise you, I’ll never do it again.’ ”

Betsy Andreu said she grudgingly watched her husband help Armstrong traverse the mountains at the Tour that year. Later, she said, she was angry when her husband said he had once allowed a team doctor to inject him with an unidentified substance.

To this day, she blames Armstrong for what she said was pressure on teammates to use drugs. Her husband, she said, “didn’t use EPO for himself, because as a domestique, he was never going to win that race.”

http://www.nytimes.com/2006/09/12/sports/othersports/12cycling.html

So, guilty of what? Caring? Of hating the doping culture?

 

[schnebit]

http://www.nytimes.com/2006/09/12/sports/othersports/12cycling.html

So, guilty of what? Caring? Of hating the doping culture?

So, while she knew that her husband was helping Armstrong, and using PED's to do so, did she stop accepting his salary?

Also, she blames Armstrong... how about her husband?

 

[ChrisE]

Dude, you seem to be the one who's the troll.

I wasn't correcting your grammer, but I wasn't about to use incorrect grammer in my response!

I think thirteen is a dudette.

 

[thirteen]

I think thirteen is a dudette.

ChrisE to the rescue... ever chivalrous