Big George testified he and lance supplied each other with EPO

[richwagmn]

Powerful enough to prise the truth from Armstrong himself?

No. He has no choice but to lie. I assume he could take the 5th during the GJ testimony?

 

[Benotti69]

Why? Is being a hypocrite number one on the banned unforgivable personality disorders list?

As standards for human comportment get lower and lower, flaws become virtues. Statements like the one quoted above cements my premise.

in the world of professional cycling, not talking a load of BS is welcomed rather than pretending that the peloton is now clean and different than the Gunderson era. Kelly knows as well as the clinic nothing has changed. I respect that he is not trying to convince anyone of anything about doping. He stays silent.

 

[frenchfry]

LANCE is a fraud and cheat. His whole charade is quite frankly, sickening.

Excellent summary of the situation.

 

[WonderLance]

It's pretty clear whats happened here.

After Lance left cycling all the money left with him as sponsors didnt want to be involved with a bunch of dull, dopie losers. Without the high salaries which lance brought to cycling his ex team mates have had to ***** themsleves out to second rate teams such as Saxobank and make up crazy stories for the tabloid press.

Every time an ex postal rider points the finger at lance he is really pointing a finger at his empty wallet and crying out for help. It is for this reason I am sarting shutupuspsriders.com which will provide support for professional riders now having to live of the meager wages of a sport without lance.

 

[ChrisE]

It's pretty clear whats happened here.

After Lance left cycling all the money left with him as sponsors didnt want to be involved with a bunch of dull, dopie losers. Without the high salaries which lance brought to cycling his ex team mates have had to ***** themsleves out to second rate teams such as Saxobank and make up crazy stories for the tabloid press.

Every time an ex postal rider points the finger at lance he is really pointing a finger at his empty wallet and crying out for help. It is for this reason I am sarting shutupuspsriders.com which will provide support for professional riders now having to live of the meager wages of a sport without lance.

Oh boy.

Where you been WL? Your boy LA is getting busted up pretty good right about now. I suggest you scour all threads and set things straight.

 

[richwagmn]

The real question is this: Will LA's propaganda machine go after Hincapie?

I think he will.

 

[on3m@n@rmy]

LeMond was right... Andreu was right... Landis was right... now Tyler and big George.

old Posties swirling around the toilet bowl.

 

[Kennf1]

I'm baffled by what seems to be today's tactic of smearing 60 minutes. We all expected the witness smear campaign, but it's weird watching the followers march along in lockstep condemning 60 minutes, when the show hasn't even aired. When you see the tweets saying "I will never watch that show again", it's just weird. Pretty soon, they will have to boycott every media outlet and unplug their computers.

 

[barn yard]

17 hours later and no tweets from HWSNBN - is this a record?

 

[WonderLance]

60 minutes has had it in for lance since the beggining. they hate excellence and are just another part of the conspiracy they just jump on any little bit of information that a disgruntled bitter cyclist will spew out and dress it up as fact.

 

[Kennf1]

17 hours later and no tweets from HWSNBN - is this a record?

It's hard to tweet and make calls to GH (or his lawyer) at the same time.

 

[Iker_Baqueiro]

Haven't followed this entire thread, has anyone wondered aloud who leaked GH's testimony? I can't believe he would tell anyone he didn't trust completely (really, doubt he would tell anyone at all). Which would mean it had to be someone present when the testimony was given. Who exactly would that be? Would someone from Novitzky's team be there, someone who might feel that getting George's testimony public might shake up the Armstrong team, maybe force them into a deal or something? Would someone other than George who might be present be allowed to leak his testimony?

Be it as it may, the important thing is truth is prevailing and Armstrong is going down

 

[Cimacoppi49]

I'm baffled by what seems to be today's tactic of smearing 60 minutes. We all expected the witness smear campaign, but it's weird watching the followers march along in lockstep condemning 60 minutes, when the show hasn't even aired. When you see the tweets saying "I will never watch that show again", it's just weird. Pretty soon, they will have to boycott every media outlet and unplug their computers.

It the stupidity of desperation. Also, they did it before Boy George dumped on the Plano lad's parade. Many a sleazily character has tried to destroy 60 min. It's hasn't worked because they are real journalists doing a real job professionally.

 

[the delgados]

The real question is this: Will LA's propaganda machine go after Hincapie?

I think he will.

I don't think so.

That would defy all sorts of credulity.

Maybe Roger Clemens is on the horn with Armstrong saying, "Tell him he 'misremembered.' It worked real well for me."

 

[mewmewmew13]

Forgive me if I've missed something, but is George racing today? I thought I read something about him resigning.....

 

[jobiwan]

Forgive me if I've missed something, but is George racing today? I thought I read something about him resigning.....

Can't imagine he could start, he's in a tough situation whatever he does.

 

[D-Queued]

17 hours later and no tweets from HWSNBN - is this a record?

How about that. Twitter actually has a scuzzball filter.

Dave.

 

[mewmewmew13]

Can't imagine he could start, he's in a tough situation whatever he does.

Thanks for the reply. I'm not sure it will be possible to actually listen to the drivel that comes out of Phil's mouth today. What can anyone possibly say about the last two days?? ..and whatever Phil says you know it will be just completely addled.

talk about an elephant in the room...

 

[DirtyWorks]

It the stupidity of desperation. Also, they did it before Boy George dumped on the Plano lad's parade. Many a sleazily character has tried to destroy 60 min. It's hasn't worked because they are real journalists doing a real job professionally.

Well, the Armstrong story is the equivalent of 'low hanging fruit.'

Also, I'd like to remind everyone that the media cycle is building a hero, then tearing it down while attracting an audience on both sides of the cycle. The media were as enthusiastic building the myth by ignoring a million facts that got in the way of the myth and now it's finally coming down.

Finally, 60 minutes has a story formula and they find stuff to fit the formula. It's a crude version of PBS's "Frontline."

I'm looking forward to some convictions. Not just 'the talent' Wonderboy, but the people behind the scenes who it is reasonable to assume built and managed the fraud.

 

[MarkvW]

The real question is this: Will LA's propaganda machine go after Hincapie?

I think he will.

I don't think so.

The only thing that's out now from George is the purest and rankest hearsay. The GJ is secret. NOBODY is going to come out and say: "I leaked it, send me to prison." The only other source is that one of George's confidantes betrayed him to the media. If that's the case, there is no way the reporter is going to betray his source. That's one of the few situations where reporters demonstrate honor. What we're left with is an "unnamed source." Lance is going to hit that and hit the fact that George has never admitted saying anything like that which is reported on 60 Minutes.

This, of course, implies a delaying action because George's testimony is going to come out sooner or later. But what else can Lance do? If he attacks George he leaves himself open to getting blindsided by another disclosure that is even more devastating. Nobody can hurt him like George can hurt him--and George does not want to hurt him any more. By far the best course is to let sleeping dogs alone.

The pathetic response of Lance's PR team is probably not their fault. Despite some of the moronic postings on this forum, Fabiani is probably not a liar. Lance is telling Fabiani the story, and Fabiani not only parrots that story, Fabiani builds his entire PR defense on that story. You can be very certain that Fabiani told Lance at the very beginning of his representation that Lance's best course was to tell the truth and to manage things from there. Fabiani's defense is like the German defense lines before the Russian onslaught in 1944: Because Lance hasn't told him the truth so that he can devise a good PR defense, he doesn't know where the next hammer blow is going to come from, so he cannot prepare a good defense. Lance is driving the bus (and that is going to provide some really hilarious future f***-ups).

 

[Merckx index]

Has this been posted?


http://velonews.competitor.com/2011...rider-says-hamiltons-charges-ring-true_174876

American Scott Mercier rode for the USPS team in 1997, alongside future Tour de France-winning squad members Tyler Hamilton, Viatcheslav Ekimov and George Hincapie. Mercier’s time spent with U.S Postal was one season before Lance Armstrong returned from cancer and joined the team, and two years before Johan Bruyneel replaced Jonny Weltz as team director.
Mercier, 43, told VeloNews that a U.S. Postal team doctor offered him synthetic testosterone in May 1997, following the Tour of Romandie and prior to a training block in South Africa.
Mercier said the doctor gave him a bottle of green pills and several vials of clear liquid. He was instructed, if asked by customs agents, to say that they were soluble B vitamins.

Mercier packed the drugs with him and said he contemplated using them but ultimately decided against it. He attempted the training program anyhow but found himself unable to recover and instead left the sport and moved to Hawaii. In the years that followed, he said he “assumed that anyone that had stayed on as a professional was using some sort of performance-enhancing drug.”

Mercier said he never saw any other members of the team inject themselves with performance-enhancing drugs. He said he suspected some of his USPS teammates might have used EPO, though he had no proof. A refrigerator in the team bus contained a black plastic lunch box that remained locked, he said, adding, “I liked to pick it up and shake it to hear what sounded like glass vials clang against one another.”

“I don’t hold any grudges,” Mercier said about his time in professional cycling. “I look at what those guys did, and I don’t imagine they feel good or proud about it. But they took things away from guys like myself, and Darren Baker. I suppose we weren’t ‘professional’ enough. We weren’t into winning at all costs. And the cost to me was my integrity, I wasn’t going to give that up.”

Get this guy on the stand. He was before LA, but still has a lot to say about what was going on then.

 

[mewmewmew13]

I just had another thought and not sure if I should post it here or in the "Lance" thread, but it's related to the GH coming clean ..

could there be a correlation between Lance showing up at the ATOC with some ulterior motive such as trying to check up on GH and possibility of him squealing, etc...or to also try to have some 'influence' on a couple of other people of interest that happened to be racing there?

Don't know if this holds water as my brain is FRIED from so much action in the past few hours.

 

[CMDiva]

Are the interns re-purposing their "RAT" signs from last year?

 

[sartain]

Sure. But how many of Lance's samples were actually George's pee or Hein Verbruggen's?

Dave.

Good point, DQ . . . I guess I am still soooooooooooooo naive and want to believe that people are good.

 

[D-Queued]

Good point, DQ . . . I guess I am still soooooooooooooo naive and want to believe that people are good.

People are good. Some individuals are bad. And, some are far worse than others.

There is no skill-testing question that separates whether good or bad are allowed to ride a bicycle.

Dave.