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Big George testified he and lance supplied each other with EPO

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Meeting w/ the entire Nike @LIVESTRONG team going over future concepts, messages, and designs. Stuff looks amazing.

I wonder if they're shooting a black and white commercial, with Mr Gunderson Snr asking Lance "What have you learned"?
 
Thoughtforfood said:
Love this tweet:
I took off my yellow wristband tonight. I got it when my grandmother was dying of cancer. It gave me a little hope. **** you @lancearmstrong

I don't like the feel of some of these ...I do feel sorry for many folks and don't like to gloat. They are innocent and were duped. :(
 
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now, let's get to the meat...usada meat.

with floyd and ty covering 6 of armstrong victorious tours and big George corroborating all seven, i wont be surprised if usada is going to charge texas with the doping offense within days of the fed issuing an indictment

the testimony of at least 5 teammates fits perfectly with wada's new code for non-analytical evidence.

what a day.
 
This has to be the coup de gras. I don’t know how LA can survive this.

I’m not surprised that George testified this way, at all. He’s slowly turning himself into a businessman with his clothing line, and for the last five years has been trying to find capital investors for his Pla d'Adet resort. Tell the truth now, and he can likely come out okay, go down with the ship and it’s likely a really long ride to the bottom.
 
Merckx index said:
How can he continue to race at Amgen? This might have been a long time ago, but if Tyler gave up a gold medal on the basis of admitted doping several years earlier, should George be in the race?

I'm not defending the decision to keep him in the race, but there is a precedent. Zabel confessed to using EPO in the 1990s back in 2007 and kept riding for Milram, including the Tour that year.
 
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Thoughtforfood said:
Love this tweet:
I took off my yellow wristband tonight. I got it when my grandmother was dying of cancer. It gave me a little hope. **** you @lancearmstrong

I actually think its sad. Whatever we think of the fanboys and laugh at them defending him over and over, its them who will be hurt by this.

Lance really doesnt give a **** about what damage he does to the sport, or what hurt he causes to his fans.
 

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mewmewmew13 said:
I don't like the feel of some of these ...I do feel sorry for many folks and don't like to gloat. They are innocent and were duped. :(

I agree with you.

Sure, some will support LA to the bitter end - but I think the majority of people who believed in him bought the lie sold to them by spin - and the media have a lot to answer for also.

I do feel sorry for the genuine people who thought he was a unique or inspirational character.
 
mewmewmew13 said:
..don't exactly know where to put this question in all these threads, but I wonder who we'll hear from tomorrow. :confused:

How about if LA makes a confession? There are several options:

1) Ivan Basso option – Yes, I bought EPO and I looked at the bottle and I considered injecting it, but I never actually did inject it.
2) Bill Clinton option – I filled the syringe with the liquid and held it over my arm, but I never actually took the plunge, as it were.
3) The Raimondas Rumsas option – Yes, I bought EPO, but it was for my mother-in-law, who suffers from anemia.
4) The Vino option – George dropped a bottle of EPO just when I dropped a bottle of beetroot juice, and the two got mixed up somehow
5) The (original) Tyler option – I have an identical twin who sometimes, just for a joke, would pretend to be me. He was the guy with George at the time.
6) The (original) Floyd option – The lab made a mistake. The label on the bottle said EPO, but that’s not what it was.
7) The TUE option – I was taking EPO as part of my cancer recovery program. UCI knew all about it.
 
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Alpe d'Huez said:
This has to be the coup de gras. I don’t know how LA can survive this.

I’m not surprised that George testified this way, at all. He’s slowly turning himself into a businessman with his clothing line, and for the last five years has been trying to find capital investors for his Pla d'Adet resort. Tell the truth now, and he can likely come out okay, go down with the ship and it’s likely a really long ride to the bottom.

What does it mean? On such a beautiful night, i´d even start to learn french :)
 
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so you guys are basically saying that LA will "go down" because he used epo and testosterone just like the others?

if that's what is going to happen, LA legend will live forever, because he wasnt (at least proved) doing something that others werent doing.

i can already see written somewhere after day 2 "poor lance... look at what he had to do just because of thoses animals full of drugs".

------and if he really just used that, well, i will admire him too. hell, i will admire him forever because he survived cancer, but if the competition wasn't fair, i wont admire him as cyclist. but with "just" this epo\testosterone, i will still admire him as a great cyclist, better than lemond\merckx\hinault.
 
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python said:
now, let's get to the meat...usada meat.

with floyd and ty covering 6 of armstrong victorious tours and big George corroborating all seven, i wont be surprised if usada is going to charge texas with the doping offense within days of the fed issuing an indictment

the testimony of at least 5 teammates fits perfectly with wada's new code for non-analytical evidence.

what a day.

They said something in the video about it possibly happening within the next month.

A representative of 60 Minutes said this is probably the best researched doping story ever. It's great we'll have something to talk about on the Giro Rest Day.
 
Dr. Maserati said:
I agree with you.

Sure, some will support LA to the bitter end - but I think the majority of people who believed in him bought the lie sold to them by spin - and the media have a lot to answer for also.

I do feel sorry for the genuine people who thought he was a unique or inspirational character.

What, exactly, do the "media" have to answer for?

I think the media have done a pretty good job of exposing the Armstrong myth (See Kimmage, Walsh, the Wall Street Journal, etc. etc.)

Don't ever expect a beat reporter from a newspaper or cycling web site to take on the cause of doping. That's just foolish.
 
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Can't wait till Lance admits and the Lance camp says they still don't believe it and that he's only doing it for the money, whether it be a book deal, interviews, web hit count, ...
 
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c&cfan said:
so you guys are basically saying that LA will "go down" because he used epo and testosterone just like the others?

if that's what is going to happen, LA legend will live forever, because he wasnt (at least proved) doing something that others werent doing.

i can already see written somewhere after day 2 "poor lance... look at what he had to do just because of thoses animals full of drugs".

------and if he really just used that, well, i will admire him too. hell, i will admire him forever because he survived cancer, but if the competition wasn't fair, i wont admire him as cyclist. but with "just" this epo\testosterone, i will still admire him as a great cyclist, better than lemond\merckx\hinault.

Fraud, tax evasion, money laundering, use of substances in clinical trials, probably illegal paraphernalia from the 2009 Tour de France, transporting doping substances across International borders, lying under oath to win multi-million dollar lawsuits, bribing doping officials to alert the team to tests, some how covering up positives, selling millions of "biographies" of the lies, firing employees who knew the truth, publicly discrediting people who spoke the truth...

Yep, it really tugs on the old heart strings :rolleyes:
 
python said:
now, let's get to the meat...usada meat.

with floyd and ty covering 6 of armstrong victorious tours and big George corroborating all seven, i wont be surprised if usada is going to charge texas with the doping offense within days of the fed issuing an indictment

the testimony of at least 5 teammates fits perfectly with wada's new code for non-analytical evidence.

what a day.

Assuming an indictment. Assuming that the doping evidence is relevant to any indicted offense. You're thinking too far ahead! Let's enjoy the moment. Plus: The sponsorship hemorrhage is about to begin! I'll enjoy that.
 
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mewmewmew13 said:
whoa :eek:

what is Lance twittering today!?!

We have a winner

@lancearmstrong Congratulations to @bradwiggins‎ on his 3rd in the 2010 Tour de France!!!