Bin Laden dead

[Black-Balled]

...No compassion for Bin Laden by me, but at the same time no compassion for all the fooled, shorteyed and manipulated Americans, who just prefer to see one side of the whole story.

Perhaps one day we will all be as smart as you?

 

[mewmewmew13]

Such reactions only demonstrate how out of touch with reality many Americans are.

Killing Bin Laden, if indeed he's truly dead, won't change a thing about international terrorism of the fundamentalist Islamic type.

And I agree with you, the instinct to celebrate was indecorous while it demonstrates a lack of maturity and discernment from a class in society that thinks of war as a stadium sport. They are also blinded by their own patriotism and all the propaganda. Dismal really. I can't understand why people give in so easily to fits of irrational emotionalism. In any case, I get all worked up for other reasons than the death of the enemy. Relief, when justified yes, but not celebration. If I and my compatriots had been the victim of repression of a dictator, or something, like Gaddafi and he got killed, then I could find some justification and dignity in going out on the streets and going wild with everyone else. But Osama was never my repressor, nor my dictator, but only a vile murderer from a myriad of other madmen around the planet. The only difference being that he tried to take on the superpower. If anything, I'm left wondering how it possibly could have taken America this long to do away with him. However, I'm sure the real reasons will never be known.

At the political and media level, for this reason, the death of OBL will produce a favorable return, because it sells well to the masses. At the military level, and the Pentagon knows this first of all, it means practically nothing, also because Al Zawahiri is the real big fish and in any case the Saudi Arabian has merely been a fast food franchise label for quite some time now. In this sense, Bin Laden's death is like the McOperation of the war.

As always, it is a mistake to make blanket statements that speak of judgement for an entire country.

The antics of idiots that do not understand or comprehend only shows a lack of intelligence or emotional maturity regarding the way they were brought up. It is not a reflection of thoughtful or caring people that also make up America.

This country is not represented by the loud and foul-acting any more than the same would represent you or your country. It's sad that a general evaluation of the citizens of America is sometimes stereotyped by a small vocal percentage.

Just remember when you are being critical of a nation that there are many more silent members that have a higher moral and ethical standard that you may intitially see on the surface.

 

[Race Radio]

As always, it is a mistake to make blanket statements that speak of judgement for an entire country.
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Bingo, there are 320 million Americans. We do not hold the monopoly on morons.....as many posters prove here often.

 

[flyor64]

As always, it is a mistake to make blanket statements that speak of judgement for an entire country.

The antics of idiots that do not understand or comprehend only shows a lack of intelligence or emotional maturity regarding the way they were brought up. It is not a reflection of thoughtful or caring people that also make up America.

This country is not represented by the loud and foul-acting any more than the same would represent you or your country. It's sad that a general evaluation of the citizens of America is sometimes stereotyped by a small vocal percentage.

Just remember when you are being critical of a nation that there are many more silent members that have a higher moral and ethical standard that you may intitially see on the surface.

Very well said.

As rhubroma is an American expat and is known around these parts for his verbosity, it should be an interesting rebuttal.

cheers

 

[Hugh Januss]

As always, it is a mistake to make blanket statements that speak of judgement for an entire country.

The antics of idiots that do not understand or comprehend only shows a lack of intelligence or emotional maturity regarding the way they were brought up. It is not a reflection of thoughtful or caring people that also make up America.

This country is not represented by the loud and foul-acting any more than the same would represent you or your country. It's sad that a general evaluation of the citizens of America is sometimes stereotyped by a small vocal percentage.

Just remember when you are being critical of a nation that there are many more silent members that have a higher moral and ethical standard that you may intitially see on the surface.

But remember too, that a great many in this country are just as guilty of the exact same stereotyping. Especially with regard to that part of the world.

 

[Semper Fidelis]

Rush Limbaugh: We need to open today's show by congratulating President Obama.
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.for continuing George W. Bush's policies established to hunt down and kill Osama bin Laden

HAHA if he said it that would be about the norm for "Hush Bimbo" aka "the golfer" I am surprised you do not have any quotes from "The Leprechaun", or the "The Wallbanger". I knew it would not be long before you could find us some good information from FoxNews or the EIB network. Thanks redtreviso.

 

[patricknd]

HAHA if he said it that would be about the norm for "Hush Bimbo" aka "the golfer" I am surprised you do not have any quotes from "The Leprechaun", or the "The Wallbanger". I knew it would not be long before you could find us some good information from FoxNews or the EIB network. Thanks redtreviso.

but red doesn't listen to him

dittohead red

 

[Semper Fidelis]

Such reactions only demonstrate how out of touch with reality many Americans are.

Killing Bin Laden, if indeed he's truly dead, won't change a thing about international terrorism of the fundamentalist Islamic type.

And I agree with you, the instinct to celebrate was indecorous while it demonstrates a lack of maturity and discernment from a class in society that thinks of war as a stadium sport. They are also blinded by their own patriotism and all the propaganda. Dismal really. I can't understand why people give in so easily to fits of irrational emotionalism. In any case, I get all worked up for other reasons than the death of the enemy. Relief, when justified yes, but not celebration. If I and my compatriots had been the victim of repression of a dictator, or something, like Gaddafi and he got killed, then I could find some justification and dignity in going out on the streets and going wild with everyone else. But Osama was never my repressor, nor my dictator, but only a vile murderer from a myriad of other madmen around the planet. The only difference being that he tried to take on the superpower. If anything, I'm left wondering how it possibly could have taken America this long to do away with him. However, I'm sure the real reasons will never be known.

At the political and media level, for this reason, the death of OBL will produce a favorable return, because it sells well to the masses. At the military level, and the Pentagon knows this first of all, it means practically nothing, also because Al Zawahiri is the real big fish and in any case the Saudi Arabian has merely been a fast food franchise label for quite some time now. In this sense, Bin Laden's death is like the McOperation of the war.

I agree those intellectuals or “intellectuals in the making” from George Washington University should have known better. I guess the professors are still failing our youth.

The only problem I have is that I do not think HELL is a bad enough place for that terrorist.

 

[redtreviso]

HAHA if he said it that would be about the norm for "Hush Bimbo" aka "the golfer" I am surprised you do not have any quotes from "The Leprechaun", or the "The Wallbanger". I knew it would not be long before you could find us some good information from FoxNews or the EIB network. Thanks redtreviso.

brain sturgeon you are

 

[Semper Fidelis]

This day is like the royal wedding day - just adapted for the Americans, who were jealously looking over to the British culture party.

Now partys everywhere - people and streets decorated with stars and stripes.
No balcony kisses, no crazy hats, no royals needed - you just need some alternate entertainment in American style.
Navy Seals burning down the house, giving Osama a headshot and kicking his dead body from a USS water-carrier, after all soldiers probably had personal photoshooting with Osama's dead body, with putting both thumbs up and smiling on picture - one boot on chest, as if they killed a deer.

God bless America. All problems solved now.

No compassion for Bin Laden by me, but at the same time no compassion for all the fooled, shorteyed and manipulated Americans, who just prefer to see one side of the whole story.

Thanks for the great post.
We are breaking out the vuvuzela's here at my office. We all came into work today with our fists outside our cars and were shooting of rounds from our AK47's out the window going down the freeway's..................errrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrr I am so happy that Osama is DEAD.

 

[nvpacchi]

As always, it is a mistake to make blanket statements that speak of judgement for an entire country.

The antics of idiots that do not understand or comprehend only shows a lack of intelligence or emotional maturity regarding the way they were brought up. It is not a reflection of thoughtful or caring people that also make up America.

This country is not represented by the loud and foul-acting any more than the same would represent you or your country. It's sad that a general evaluation of the citizens of America is sometimes stereotyped by a small vocal percentage.

Just remember when you are being critical of a nation that there are many more silent members that have a higher moral and ethical standard that you may intitially see on the surface.

While it may be a somewhat blanketing statement, I find it discomforting that 40,000+ people at Citizen's Bank park were standing and cheering when the news flash came across the jumbo-tron.

Its more than just foul-mouth idiots, and closed minded Americans that are getting caught up in the hype of this story. If an entire stadium In Philadelphia is clapping and cheering at this, I imagine it would happen in almost any other location in the US too. People have become too personally invested in this story over the past ten years, which is fair to some degree, but to cheer death?? That crosses the line for me.

 

[patricknd]

While it may be a somewhat blanketing statement, I find it discomforting that 40,000+ people at Citizen's Bank park were standing and cheering when the news flash came across the jumbo-tron.

Its more than just foul-mouth idiots, and closed minded Americans that are getting caught up in the hype of this story. If an entire stadium In Philadelphia is clapping and cheering at this, I imagine it would happen in almost any other location in the US too. People have become too personally invested in this story over the past ten years, which is fair to some degree, but to cheer death?? That crosses the line for me.

people cheered when mcveigh was executed too. sometimes it's fitting.

 

[koolkinks]

A lot of things have come into focus by this:

1. Bin Laden was found not in a mountainous tribal area run by war lords but in luxurious building in a town 50 miles from Islamabad.
2. This town of Abbotabad is a military town with the ****stan Military Academy the equivalent of West Point there. A large garrison is also located there.
3. The house was built in 2005. The ****stan military had no idea that he was there in a military town. Complicity or Incompetence?
4. Does this give credence to the claims of countries like India, Russia, Afghanistan and others that the ****stan military especially their intelligence services ISI are harbouring terrorists. It also brings to light claims that the government of ****stan has no control over the action of their military or their agenda.
5. After this USA should think of all the military aid they provide this country where it is used to harbour terrorists and make a safe haven for such activity.
6. Why the body was not shown to international media even when aboard the aircraft carrier in the northern Arabian Sea.

I think this creates more questions than answers. But I think it will mean closure to all the families and friends of victims of 9/11, who will feel that in a way justice has been served.

 

[TERMINATOR]

The irony is thick with this one.

Hey, Alanis Morissette, try looking up the actual definition of irony before you think you're using it as some of type of profound comeback.

irony: the use of words to convey a meaning that is the opposite of its literal meaning: the irony of her reply, “How nice!” when I said I had to work all weekend.

 

[python]

ok. i already posted once and let me assure you, it will be my last post on the issue.

(for a reference, i'm not american nor do i hold any particularly strong views on the country i temporarily live in)

i'm trying to understand - how the americans *should* (or should have) react(ed) to lighten the criticism of their reaction ? what would it take to have the critics relent ?

 

[TERMINATOR]

people cheered when mcveigh was executed too. sometimes it's fitting.

Yeah, and thousands cheered when the World Trade Center came down too. The knife cuts both ways.

 

[rhubroma]

As always, it is a mistake to make blanket statements that speak of judgement for an entire country.

The antics of idiots that do not understand or comprehend only shows a lack of intelligence or emotional maturity regarding the way they were brought up. It is not a reflection of thoughtful or caring people that also make up America.

This country is not represented by the loud and foul-acting any more than the same would represent you or your country. It's sad that a general evaluation of the citizens of America is sometimes stereotyped by a small vocal percentage.

Just remember when you are being critical of a nation that there are many more silent members that have a higher moral and ethical standard that you may intitially see on the surface.

If only that were the case. But there is something rather distasteful about all of this and it is that the mass media, in the commercial interests, has been selling what's easiest to buy. It's also the cheapest (metaphorically).

That silent majority of which you speak, if it exists, has been sold out to the most popular image. In any case, reality doesn't count in this fabricated world of the media and goverment, only the virtual image they sell. And judging by all the idiots, it has sold extremely well.

And this is why everybody feels so "invested" personally, not because they personally had a share in it, but because they can now claim to participate in some national catharsis that was built-up rather than actually experienced in the sense of living under real oppression. This is what I meant by having actually lived under an oppressive regime, as in the case of many foreign societies, and only having had one's emotions played to the service of a bigger scheme. Its the perfect ending of this "reality show", for the ones who made the most purchase of an exceptional event.

 

[TERMINATOR]

I agree those intellectuals or “intellectuals in the making” from George Washington University should have known better. I guess the professors are still failing our youth.

The only problem I have is that I do not think HELL is a bad enough place for that terrorist.

There's no such thing as Hell or heaven. There is no God. It's just a fairy tale that your parents taught you. That's why children tend to believe the same religion as their parents.

Parents teaching their children to believe in god and a heaven and hell are really engaging in child abuse. There is no such thing any any of that stuff.

 

[flicker]

A lot of things have come into focus by this:

1. Bin Laden was found not in a mountainous tribal area run by war lords but in luxurious building in a town 50 miles from Islamabad.
2. This town of Abbotabad is a military town with the ****stan Military Academy the equivalent of West Point there. A large garrison is also located there.
3. The house was built in 2005. The ****stan military had no idea that he was there in a military town. Complicity or Incompetence?
4. Does this give credence to the claims of countries like India, Russia, Afghanistan and others that the ****stan military especially their intelligence services ISI are harbouring terrorists. It also brings to light claims that the government of ****stan has no control over the action of their military or their agenda.
5. After this USA should think of all the military aid they provide this country where it is used to harbour terrorists and make a safe haven for such activity.
6. Why the body was not shown to international media even when aboard the aircraft carrier in the northern Arabian Sea.

I think this creates more questions than answers. But I think it will mean closure to all the families and friends of victims of 9/11, who will feel that in a way justice has been served.

Honestly, ****stan is a corrupt country, there could have been multiple payoffs to hush up anything about Bin Ladins whereabouts. I believe money rules over any kind of muslim extremisim among the military of ****stan.
Tribalisim is also stronger than the Koran in ****stan, many there live the old fuedal ways, pre muslim religion.

 

[Semper Fidelis]

There's no such thing as Hell or heaven. There is no God. It's just a fairy tale that your parents taught you. That's why children tend to believe the same religion as their parents.

Parents teaching their children to believe in god and a heaven and hell are really engaging in child abuse. There is no such thing any any of that stuff.

Thanks for the religion lesson. I do not or have not claimed any religious preference.

Did I tell you that …..I AM SO HAPPY HE IS DEAD! I am leaving out of work now to hit the local watering hole. We will be unloading our AK47 into the night sky!

 

[koolkinks]

Honestly, ****stan is a corrupt country, there could have been multiple payoffs to hush up anything about Bin Ladins whereabouts. I believe money rules over any kind of muslim extremisim among the military of ****stan.
Tribalisim is also stronger than the Koran in ****stan, many there live the old fuedal ways, pre muslim religion.

P a k istan government's stand that they had no idea that Bin Laden was living in that area and that he had only arrived recently (Obama said they knew since August last year) seems like utter crock and bull. I bet they all knew where he was thats why they were asked for helicopter flight permission and were only told when the building had been stormed. If they had been told before I am pretty sure Osama would have escaped again.

 

[Astana1]

He got a better fate than he deserved. I keep thinking about those people jumping out of the WTC instead of burning to death. If we buried him in pig manure that would have been fine. If that makes me uncultured then you can kiss my uncultured ****.

 

[flicker]

P a k istan government's stand that they had no idea that Bin Laden was living in that area and that he had only arrived recently (Obama said they knew since August last year) seems like utter crock and bull. I bet they all knew where he was thats why they were asked for helicopter flight permission and were only told when the building had been stormed. If they had been told before I am pretty sure Osama would have escaped again.

Of course some ****stani military and government knew exactly where Bin Laden was. It is all about the money. We pay the ****stani government to be our allies. Someone else might pay them to not be our allies.

The BBC version of Traffik(a drug saga) shows exactly what ****stan is about.
It is a false border, to keep the Hindis and Islamic apart.

 

[patricknd]

Yeah, and thousands cheered when the World Trade Center came down too. The knife cuts both ways.

chances are most of the wtc victims weren't murderers. obl and mcveigh were

 

[VeloCity]

5. After this USA should think of all the military aid they provide this country where it is used to harbour terrorists and make a safe haven for such activity.

Maybe the US should also think about all the money, military aid, and military training - ironically, most of it courtesy of the CIA - it provided to OBL and the groups that eventually coalesced into the Taliban when they were "freedom fighters" and "rebels" fighting against the Russians in Afghanistan. No one is going to shed a tear at OBL's demise or (hopefully) the eventual disintegration of the Taliban, but we shouldn't forget either that OBL and the Taliban are (or were, in the case of OBL) monsters at least in part of our own making, and that ****stan has, in many ways, paid a dearer price for that than we have.

I don't have much sympathy for the ****stani's if, in fact, they were actively protecting OBL, but let's look at it from their perspective too - they have to live with the Taliban. We don't. It would be my guess that they probably knew OBL was there but were just hoping that no one else would ever find out - partially because it would be politically embarrassing internationally, but mostly for internal security reasons - and were willing to tolerate his presence so long as he was contained.

Or, if one wants to go full conspiracy theory, maybe ****stan made a deal with the devil - we'll leave you alone if you just stay put and live a quiet life and don't stir up any more trouble for us.