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BMC statement on Frei A EPO positive

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auscyclefan94 said:
Let's just clear something up, Ballan and Santambrogio are on charges with reference to LAMPRE not BMC. This is the first doping charge for BMC. Lets keep that in mind.

You are right, BMC are not Lampre...............they are Phonak.
I'd guess their wildcards are OK for the moment, but on a knife edge.
One more whiff and it won't matter where the bad smell omes from.

I'm more concerned that Cadel's mountain domestiques just took a major hit.
TF looked good in the Dolomites, yesterday. I watched the stage last night.
Now he's a gonna, before they've even started.

craig1985 said:
Isn't Ochowitz close to Armstrong?

Yes. Give him a Google...
 
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If CSF and Androni didn't get their invites pulled with their recent positives, BMC won't either. No worries there.

Unless they get more positives. Which is unlikely. But if they do, it could be a big worry.

Then again, teammates tend to use the same supply, so if Frei tested positive it's likely a teammate could test positive within days.
 
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Mellow Velo said:
You are right, BMC are not Lampre...............they are Phonak.
I'd guess their wildcards are OK for the moment, but on a knife edge.
One more whiff and it won't matter where the bad smell omes from.

I'm more concerned that Cadel's mountain domestiques just took a major hit.
TF looked good in the Dolomites, yesterday. I watched the stage last night.
Now he's a gonna, before they've even started.



Yes. Give him a Google...

3 people from the phonak days. Well a lot of you think this sport is pretty much fully doped so why does it matter anymore.:rolleyes::(

LOL, today in Aus we have had one of the biggest sporting scandals in Australian history. Once I found out about this it just felt like a punch to the guts.
 
issoisso said:
If CSF and Androni didn't get their invites pulled with their recent positives, BMC won't either. No worries there.

We could still lose one of the above.
Zomegnan is making a final announcement on the Giro squads on May 3rd. Nothing is cast in stone.
He now seems to favour this 11th hour messaround, for it's "impact" value.
 
auscyclefan94 said:
3 people from the phonak days. Well a lot of you think this sport is pretty much fully doped so why does it matter anymore.:rolleyes::(

LOL, today in Aus we have had one of the biggest sporting scandals in Australian history. Once I found out about this it just felt like a punch to the guts.

I know you're from Melbourne, but did you genuinely follow the storm? :eek:

It's funny, for me today's events just highlight that it's not just Cycling or Soccer, EVERY professional sport has individuals/teams lining up to bend/break the rules to give them a better chance of success.
 
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auscyclefan94 said:
3 people from the phonak days. Well a lot of you think this sport is pretty much fully doped so why does it matter anymore.:rolleyes::(

LOL, today in Aus we have had one of the biggest sporting scandals in Australian history. Once I found out about this it just felt like a punch to the guts.

I never knew you like rugby league. I follow the Storm, and my jaw hit the ground, but with their squad, I guess it isn't too shocking.
 
craig1985 said:
I never knew you like rugby league. I follow the Storm, and my jaw hit the ground, but with their squad, I guess it isn't too shocking.
A few St Kilda AFL players would be nervous - Brian Waldron is the supposed architect of the Melbourne Storm salary labyrinth.
 
Libertine Seguros said:
Grammatisch falsch. Jetzt ist Herr Frei nicht so frei sein Fahrrad zu rennen.

Verb geht zur Position Zwei, nach eine Temporal (z.B. "jetzt"). "Fahrrad rennen" ist trennbar, deshalb geht die "zu-Konstruktion" zwischen "Fahrrad" und "rennen".

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auscyclefan94 said:
Let's just clear something up, Ballan and Santambrogio are on charges with reference to LAMPRE not BMC. This is the first doping charge for BMC. Lets keep that in mind.

Good point, thanks!

But anything to do with Phonak is bad news.

Cadel should know better (and esp. the dangers of his team hiring folks whom he desperately NEEDS in GTs but then they get busted, and he's left "hanging in the wind", "holding the bag", whatever, e.g., CE on Alpe d'Huez vs. Sastre, and being tag-teamed by Valverde/Conti at last year's Dauphine).

We've seen this pattern before (both the Kohl loss, and the Phonak saga). Gotta be smart off the bike (who you associate with) AND during races.
 
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craig1985 said:
I never knew you like rugby league. I follow the Storm, and my jaw hit the ground, but with their squad, I guess it isn't too shocking.

Don't but it is still devastating.

Jetzt Herr Evans hat keine Mannschaft!
 
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Libertine Seguros said:
Grammatisch falsch. Jetzt ist Herr Frei nicht so frei sein Fahrrad zu rennen.

Verb geht zur Position Zwei, nach eine Temporal (z.B. "jetzt"). "Fahrrad rennen" ist trennbar, deshalb geht die "zu-Konstruktion" zwischen "Fahrrad" und "rennen".

Das stimmt!

Use the acronym STOMP
SUBJECT
(VERB)
TIME
OBJECT
MANNER
PLACE
 
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Ferminal said:
I know you're from Melbourne, but did you genuinely follow the storm? :eek:

It's funny, for me today's events just highlight that it's not just Cycling or Soccer, EVERY professional sport has individuals/teams lining up to bend/break the rules to give them a better chance of success.

Last year I went to 5 games and each year I have followed them more. Melbourne is a massive sporting capital in the world. To lose our main rugby team (they will fold imo) who were opening a new stadium up with a new match is devastating
 
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FKLance said:
Evans and maybe Hincapie have their own high quality sources (Evans probably through Sassi!) but the rest are going relatively clean..

Thanks for your good points, but only one thing I really doubt, the Sassi angle.

Look at Basso, his other rider now. It's painful to watch Basso (see the pics of him at last year's Vuelta, absolutely turning himself inside out and NOT winning anything). He's not the same rider that smashed the Giro field one year (what, by 10 mins). Sassi's riders are clean

But it is amazing that the Hog's and Riis' riders never test positive, and that goes to your points.
 
auscyclefan94 said:
Last year I went to 5 games and each year I have followed them more. Melbourne is a massive sporting capital in the world. To lose our main rugby team (they will fold imo) who were opening a new stadium up with a new match is devastating

Could end up being good news for the Heart*, even though they are going to lose one of their main administrators over it.

Edit: Err I meant Rebels, but Heart is applicable too I guess.
 
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Parrot23 said:
Good point, thanks!

But anything to do with Phonak is bad news.

Cadel should know better (and esp. the dangers of his team hiring folks whom he desperately NEEDS in GTs but then they get busted, and he's left "hanging in the wind", "holding the bag", whatever, e.g., CE on Alpe d'Huez vs. Sastre, and being tag-teamed by Valverde/Conti at last year's Dauphine).

We've seen this pattern before (both the Kohl loss, and the Phonak saga). Gotta be smart off the bike (who you associate with) AND during races.

Wads and wads of $$$$$ > common sense?
 
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this_is_edie said:
Yep. And they also brought on board soigneur Freddy Viane from the phonak days too.

And Rhis made him the chief soigneur. That is mind boggling. Fool me once....
Freddy was Floyd's personal soigneur and was too hot for even the staff at Quickstep. As Chris Carmichael said 10 years ago..."There are only four people who really know what's going on with Lance's body: me, Michele (Ferrari), Johan Bruyneel and Freddy."
 
Parrot23 said:
Look at Basso, his other rider now. It's painful to watch Basso (see the pics of him at last year's Vuelta, absolutely turning himself inside out and NOT winning anything). He's not the same rider that smashed the Giro field one year (what, by 10 mins). Sassi's riders are clean

I'm with you on the Sassi angle... I think it was in the recent Basso interview that he said Sassi's condition ot work with him was exactly that he was clean. He had to conform to a lot of blood testing and I think they actually also publish his numbers (haven't checked though) on either Basso's or the training centre's website. By the way it's that same interview where Basso said he was keen to show that he could win clean sorta indicating that he did indeed more than "plan" to dope back in the OP days...
 
Parrot23 said:
Thanks for your good points, but only one thing I really doubt, the Sassi angle.

Look at Basso, his other rider now. It's painful to watch Basso (see the pics of him at last year's Vuelta, absolutely turning himself inside out and NOT winning anything). He's not the same rider that smashed the Giro field one year (what, by 10 mins).


no basso is the same basso he ever was. bad tter, great climber but not able to force attacks in the mountains. he never was more

you know la really was the best gt rider we maybe would have ever seen, but basso has just that 1 year in the giro where he suddenly was able to tt like armstrong and ullrich and even was able to take much time to good giro tters like savoldelli and everybody was knowing how he was able to.
 
JPM London said:
I'm with you on the Sassi angle... I think it was in the recent Basso interview that he said Sassi's condition ot work with him was exactly that he was clean. He had to conform to a lot of blood testing and I think they actually also publish his numbers (haven't checked though) on either Basso's or the training centre's website. By the way it's that same interview where Basso said he was keen to show that he could win clean sorta indicating that he did indeed more than "plan" to dope back in the OP days...

Here are Basso's Hb & HCT results from mid-08 to end-09.

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His crit spikes in April 09 (when he won Trentino - does seem he was altitude training just before then though) and again in September. Does seem to drop around Giro though. The dates are quite vague in this table though.

The full tables of his blood values are here.
These include:
RBC count (10^6/ul): over 5.4 is high, under 4 is low.
Haematocrit (%)
Haemoglobin (g/dL)
MCHC [Mean Corpuscular Haemoglobin Concentration] (g/dL): 31-36 is the normal adult range
MVC/MCV [Mean Corpuscular Volume] (fl): normal adult range is 80-100
Reticulocytes (%)

I've never seen a thread on here talking about Basso's values from that website. Can't find any either :confused:

Edit: More detailed numbers for 09
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Sorry for being so off-topic :eek: