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Merckx index said:
From the CN article:



Unbelievable.
Well, we know the timeline of EPO tests and why those samples were "clean", but the general public doesn't so it's likely this will make some of them think the samples were manipulated by the evil French. For a while, at least.

edit: You might think this isn't too spectacular of Fab, but regardless of what Armstrong believes, miracles don't exist. Fabiani can't do much when most of what's being said is the widely known truth.
 
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yeah, guys keep it going... seems like the **** is slowly hitting the fan and they're moving forward. Bring 'em all down, these cheating & doping rats!
 
Race Radio said:
http://www.nytimes.com/2010/11/17/sports/17cycling.html?_r=1

NYT has picked it up.

Armstrong is paying Fabricator $30,000 per month and he is failing hard. Need to figure out something better then "Old News"
Armstrong has clearly lost control of the media, after browsing this article I came away with the impression that he is a doping liar and not the cancer fighter he likes to portray himself as. He must be some pssed off.
 
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frenchfry said:
Armstrong has clearly lost control of the media, after browsing this article I came away with the impression that he is a doping liar and not the cancer fighter he likes to portray himself as. He must be some pssed off.
Considering his PR's guys rhetoric, it seemed like a doomed strategy from the 1st day. This guy spends his days extolling on how all of this is a waste of taxpayer dollars (as if that tactic ever got the feds off anyone's back before).
 
BotanyBay said:
Precisely. The doping positives will probably be the supporting evidence.
The WSJ picked up the Novizky meetings today, noted the existence of the positive samples, mentioned Fabiani's statement, and came to similar conclusions.

From page D5:

"PARIS -- U.S. federal investigators looking into alleged widespread doping on Lance Armstrong's United States Postal Service cycling team met with officials from France's anti-doping agency AFLD this week in a move that signals the increasingly gobal focus of the probe.
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U.S. Investigators are most interested in learning more about Mr. Armstrong's 1999 urine samples...

...Interpol... has been aiding investigators by helping to coordinate activities and communication between police forces."

Dave.
 
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Race Radio said:
http://www.nytimes.com/2010/11/17/sports/17cycling.html?_r=1

NYT has picked it up.

Armstrong is paying Fabricator $30,000 per month and he is failing hard. Need to figure out something better then "Old News"
Dear Lance Armstrong,

I will provide my services to you for 5,000 USD a month. During this time I will refrain from referring to you as "Pharmstrong."

Sincerely,

Buckwheat

P.S. Feel free to PM me.


BTW, what a racket this Fabricator dude has going.

How in the hell do you keep that kind of bs going?

Anyone have a picture of the Fabricator?
 
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buckwheat said:
Dear Lance Armstrong,

I will provide my services to you for 5,000 USD a month. During this time I will refrain from referring to you as "Pharmstrong."

Sincerely,

Buckwheat

P.S. Feel free to PM me.


BTW, what a racket this Fabricator dude has going.

How in the hell do you keep that kind of bs going?

Anyone have a picture of the Fabricator?

i thought this guy is paid for what he can 'pull' behind the scenes rather what he spouts in public.

he is probably working hard though whatever contacts he has to get leaks of what Novitsky has, put pressure on the feds to try and direct the investigation away from Uniballer and onto others etc....well it better be that or he is on big bucks for no bang
 
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Benotti69 said:
i thought this guy is paid for what he can 'pull' behind the scenes rather what he spouts in public.

he is probably working hard though whatever contacts he has to get leaks of what Novitsky has, put pressure on the feds to try and direct the investigation away from Uniballer and onto others etc....well it better be that or he is on big bucks for no bang
And there you have stumbled upon the secret of the rich and sycophantic!
 
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Benotti69 said:
i thought this guy is paid for what he can 'pull' behind the scenes rather what he spouts in public.

he is probably working hard though whatever contacts he has to get leaks of what Novitsky has, put pressure on the feds to try and direct the investigation away from Uniballer and onto others etc....well it better be that or he is on big bucks for no bang
The French predispostion to disclosing details on Lance might be a better source although they may be motivated, as Flicker would say; by a stronger than usual dose of "hate" for his Lord Armstrong. Hard to spin this one even at $30k a month.
 
Fabiani Quotes, Or what you get for 30K a Month - A well paid Tool:

“American taxpayer money is being squandered on a European trip for FDA investigators to dredge up old allegations that have already been thoroughly examined and completely discredited,” said Mark Fabiani, according to the Associated Press.

“All of Lance's samples were clean when they were first provided and tested, and no amount of tax-money-wasting European meetings can change that fundamental fact.”

Read more: http://www.velonation.com/News/ID/6431/Armstrongs-spokesman-complains-as-federal-investigation-draws-closer-to-a-conclusion.aspx#ixzz15tXfYd4N

“The samples were clean when originally provided and tested,” said Mark Fabiani, Armstrong’s attorney, in a statement released Tuesday. “So we have nothing to be concerned about. Period.”

Armstrong spokesman Mark Fabiani told USA TODAY in an e-mail Thursday morning, "This 11-year-old story is more old news, in an inquiry that is already chock full of stale news. This matter was fully investigated by an independent expert starting in 2005, who delivered a 130-page report in 2006, accompanied by hundreds of pages of exhibits, that completely vindicated Armstrong."

"We have no concerns at all about it," said Armstrong's spokesperson Mark Fabiani.

Armstrong insists there is, indeed, nothing wrong. He has always denied doping allegations that have dogged him for years. Spokesman Mark Fabiani said there's no reason for him to back off now.

Armstrong spokesman Mark Fabiani said the cyclist has not been informed he is a target of the investigation and has not been asked to testify.

“With salmonella causing the recall of 380 million eggs, I’m probably not the only one wondering right now why the FDA is spending its resources looking into international bicycle races that occurred years ago,” Fabiani said in an e-mail.

“This news that Floyd Landis is in this for the money reconfirms everything we all knew about Landis,” said Mark Fabiani, Armstrong’s spokesman, in an e-mailed statement. Fabiani called Landis “a serial liar, an epic cheater and a swindler.”

“What remains a complete mystery is why the government would devote a penny of the taxpayers’ money to help Floyd Landis further his vile, cheating ambitions,” he said.

Mark Fabiani, who recently joined Armstrong's legal team, said Andreus' account was "preposterous." "The other six to seven people in that hospital room either say it didn't happen or have no recollection of any such conversation," he added. "The Andreus are the only persons who say it happened."

A sign that Armstrong and his legal team are taking the prospect of collateral damage seriously comes with the hiring of Fabiani, who has represented clients such as investment bank Goldman Sachs and President Clinton during scandals and crises.

Fabiani says he's helping because Armstrong "is being unjustly pursued by people who ought to have better things to do with taxpayer dollars than chasing the discredited allegations of the disgraced Landis about international cycling events that occurred years ago."
 
BotanyBay said:
Precisely. The doping positives will probably be the supporting evidence.
Correct. The Feds are not here to take away the Tour titles or enforce sporting sanction. They are here to investigate a crime. This is big. Doping just scratches the surface on what went on. Paying off sporting officials to win sporting events to ensure maximum insurance pay-outs and sponsorship bonuses is a crime punishable under Federal law. It's not looking good.
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"A few days ago, the U.S. federal government officially asked the French judicial authorities to co-operate in the investigation," the source, who spoke on condition of anonymity, told Reuters.

Source: Reuters.com
 
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thehog said:
Correct. The Feds are not here to take away the Tour titles or enforce sporting sanction.
Not necessarily.

As part of her plea deal on check fraud charges and perjury Marion Jones had to also accept a 2 year sanction from WADA and hand back her medals......even though she Never tested positive (Sound familiar?)
 
thehog said:
Correct. The Feds are not here to take away the Tour titles or enforce sporting sanction. They are here to investigate a crime. This is big. Doping just scratches the surface on what went on. Paying off sporting officials to win sporting events to ensure maximum insurance pay-outs and sponsorship bonuses is a crime punishable under Federal law. It's not looking good.
Yes, but this underscores the trap Fabiani is getting into. By emphasizing (falsely) that the '99 samples were clean, he is in effect admitting that whether or not they were clean matters. If--as some Armstrong supporters insist (and as those who use the "waste of taxpayers's money" argument imply)--the question of whether or not LA doped is irrelevant to fraud, trafficking, etc., why even address the question of whether or not the samples were clean? Why comment at all?

By addressing the question, Fabiani is in effect saying that whether or not LA doped by itself is important. So if those samples should retest, and be shown to be positive, Fabiani will have more difficulty in brushing that off as irrelevant to the case. It might in fact be irrelevant, it's still a long way from proving a positive to proving fraud, but Fabiani has now set up the public to react to any possible positive as a bombshell. When your lawyer publicly insists that you didn't do something, and is later proved wrong, that damages your case even if what you did do by itself is not criminal.
 
TubularBills said:
Fabiani Quotes, Or what you get for 30K a Month - A well paid Tool:

“The samples were clean when originally provided and tested,” said Mark Fabiani, Armstrong’s attorney, in a statement released Tuesday. “So we have nothing to be concerned about. Period.”

Armstrong spokesman Mark Fabiani told USA TODAY in an e-mail Thursday morning, "This 11-year-old story is more old news, in an inquiry that is already chock full of stale news. This matter was fully investigated by an independent expert starting in 2005, who delivered a 130-page report in 2006, accompanied by hundreds of pages of exhibits, that completely vindicated Armstrong."

"We have no concerns at all about it," said Armstrong's spokesperson Mark Fabiani.

Armstrong insists there is, indeed, nothing wrong. He has always denied doping allegations that have dogged him for years. Spokesman Mark Fabiani said there's no reason for him to back off now.

Armstrong spokesman Mark Fabiani said the cyclist has not been informed he is a target of the investigation and has not been asked to testify.

“With salmonella causing the recall of 380 million eggs, I’m probably not the only one wondering right now why the FDA is spending its resources looking into international bicycle races that occurred years ago,” Fabiani said in an e-mail.

“This news that Floyd Landis is in this for the money reconfirms everything we all knew about Landis,” said Mark Fabiani, Armstrong’s spokesman, in an e-mailed statement. Fabiani called Landis “a serial liar, an epic cheater and a swindler.”

“What remains a complete mystery is why the government would devote a penny of the taxpayers’ money to help Floyd Landis further his vile, cheating ambitions,” he said.

Mark Fabiani, who recently joined Armstrong's legal team, said Andreus' account was "preposterous." "The other six to seven people in that hospital room either say it didn't happen or have no recollection of any such conversation," he added. "The Andreus are the only persons who say it happened."

A sign that Armstrong and his legal team are taking the prospect of collateral damage seriously comes with the hiring of Fabiani, who has represented clients such as investment bank Goldman Sachs and President Clinton during scandals and crises.

Fabiani says he's helping because Armstrong "is being unjustly pursued by people who ought to have better things to do with taxpayer dollars than chasing the discredited allegations of the disgraced Landis about international cycling events that occurred years ago."
Hmm. This all sounds very familair.

Wait - I've got it.

http://www.welovetheiraqiinformationminister.com/
 
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Polish said:
Isn't he the guy that insisted that there were no WMD's?

And you are comparing him to the guy that insists there were no PED's?

What is your point.....Lance shipped all his PEDs to Syria?
Yes, exactly Mr Hankey. The two men have job titles that would be better called misinformation minister.
But, your slipping. Saddam and Assad were mortal enemies and would not have traded WMDs.
However, Syria could be a stopover from Kazakhstan, so maybe the PEDs were shipped between the two.
 
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TexPat said:
Yes, exactly Mr Hankey. The two men have job titles that would be better called misinformation minister.
But, your slipping. Saddam and Assad were mortal enemies and would not have traded WMDs.
However, Syria could be a stopover from Kazakhstan, so maybe the PEDs were shipped between the two.

Good points.

Also, Lance used PEDs on his own people
 
Merckx index said:
Yes, but this underscores the trap Fabiani is getting into. By emphasizing (falsely) that the '99 samples were clean, he is in effect admitting that whether or not they were clean matters. If--as some Armstrong supporters insist (and as those who use the "waste of taxpayers's money" argument imply)--the question of whether or not LA doped is irrelevant to fraud, trafficking, etc., why even address the question of whether or not the samples were clean? Why comment at all?

By addressing the question, Fabiani is in effect saying that whether or not LA doped by itself is important. So if those samples should retest, and be shown to be positive, Fabiani will have more difficulty in brushing that off as irrelevant to the case. It might in fact be irrelevant, it's still a long way from proving a positive to proving fraud, but Fabiani has now set up the public to react to any possible positive as a bombshell. When your lawyer publicly insists that you didn't do something, and is later proved wrong, that damages your case even if what you did do by itself is not criminal.

Not sure what you’re saying but the issue of doping is the foundation to fraud.

For example: Armstrong dopes, pays sporting bodies to cover positive and/or to know what tests will be conducted. Armstrong wins races, collects winnings, collects larger insurance payouts, collects sponsorship deals, gets paid salary from federal money. Maybe Armstrong even bet on himself to win? More money.

Easy pickings knowing you can’t test positive and you’re probably going to win no matter what. Ullrich never stood a chance.
 
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thehog said:
Ullrich never stood a chance.
Ulrich must have paid off the testers as well because he never tested positive. Pantani too. In fact there are a whole set of highly suspected dopers who never tested positive, so this corruption must go far and wide.
 
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Bilirubin said:
Ulrich must have paid off the testers as well because he never tested positive. Pantani too. In fact there are a whole set of highly suspected dopers who never tested positive, so this corruption must go far and wide.
Ulrich tested positive for amphetamine in a surprise, out of competition test.

Unlike Armstrong he was not given advanced notice of surprise tests so he had to sit out a 6 month suspension.
 

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