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Both Sugars should be on top of that list.

I wouldn't put him in the top five, but Tyson doesn't get enough credit. He had good feet and hands for a big guy. Most people only remember his one shot power. I think that he could have battled with the greats given the opportunity.

Tyson was given a boxing lesson and knocked out by James Buster Douglas and was never the same again. Buster Douglas will never be remembered as a great fighter but should have had a much better career than he did. Like many others he went off the rails when he became successful. Probably one of the greatest upsets in boxing ever.

 

[Alpe d'Huez]

Well, Tyson was lights out between about the Berbick and Spinks fights. He had explosive combination power, better defense than given credit for (at least deflecting punches), and intimidated many opponents out of the ring. But somewhere after Jimmy Jacobs death, and Don King hooking onto Mike like a leech, the wheels came off. It may have taken a "nothing to lose" Douglas who wasn't intimidated, and had the style to beat him, but Tyson wouldn't have lasted much longer anyway. King ruined his career, and life. Since retirement, Tyson has been overhyped and overpraised beyond comprehension by some. I would not put him on my top 10 all time list, though perhaps he could squeeze in there for best punchers or KO artists, as for a short few years, that he was amazing at.

IIRC wasn't Douglas later diagnosed as a diabetic, and had many issues with his weight. Kind of a sad story, his career after the Tyson win.

 

[May0maniac]

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Well, Tyson was lights out between about the Berbick and Spinks fights. He had explosive combination power, better defense than given credit for (at least deflecting punches), and intimidated many opponents out of the ring. But somewhere after Jimmy Jacobs death, and Don King hooking onto Mike like a leech, the wheels came off. It may have taken a "nothing to lose" Douglas who wasn't intimidated, and had the style to beat him, but Tyson wouldn't have lasted much longer anyway. King ruined his career, and life. Since retirement, Tyson has been overhyped and overpraised beyond comprehension by some. I would not put him on my top 10 all time list, though perhaps he could squeeze in there for best punchers or KO artists, as for a short few years, that he was amazing at.

IIRC wasn't Douglas later diagnosed as a diabetic, and had many issues with his weight. Kind of a sad story, his career after the Tyson win.

I agree with you, people dont rate him high because of the fighters that he actualy beat, they think abou the potential that he had in his short prime when he wrecked people.
I view modern HW boxer as an ATG because of his accomplishments ad thats Lennox, he fought everyone but Bowe (I blame Bowe for that) and avenged all of his losses, some people dislike the fact that he retired without giving Vitali a rematch but that was an old, chubby LL at the end of his career.

 

[Berzin]

Buster Douglas had serious weight problems, ballooning to around 400 pounds at one point. That is just too much weight to carry around for even a normal person of his build, much less a professional athlete.

 

[ILovecycling]

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Just a brief question..

Do you have any favourite place where to watch or download old classic fights?

Old classic fights you may get from this place. (Not sure about favorite, though.)

http://classicboxingfights.blogspot.com/

thanks a lot

 

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Well, Tyson was lights out between about the Berbick and Spinks fights. He had explosive combination power, better defense than given credit for (at least deflecting punches), and intimidated many opponents out of the ring. But somewhere after Jimmy Jacobs death, and Don King hooking onto Mike like a leech, the wheels came off. It may have taken a "nothing to lose" Douglas who wasn't intimidated, and had the style to beat him, but Tyson wouldn't have lasted much longer anyway. King ruined his career, and life. Since retirement, Tyson has been overhyped and overpraised beyond comprehension by some. I would not put him on my top 10 all time list, though perhaps he could squeeze in there for best punchers or KO artists, as for a short few years, that he was amazing at.

IIRC wasn't Douglas later diagnosed as a diabetic, and had many issues with his weight. Kind of a sad story, his career after the Tyson win.

Yes it's a long roll call for sad stories in boxing. Douglas was sad as was Tyson. The later debacles with ear biting and whatever was just ridiculous. A combination of Don King and personal issues as you said meant that Tyson lost the support he had and thrived on when he was at his peak. King should have gone to prison for his immoral treatment of Tyson, Chavez and others. Of course King did graduate from prison earlier in his life. The guy was probably a borderline lunatic if his interviews were anything to go by. You want this guy managing your money ?

 

[Dazed and Confused]

Tyson had limited stamina imo, which is one of the key elements that determines a great champ.

 

[jmdirt]

Mayweather ticklin' the gray area, and USADA with their willy-nilly decision making:

http://espn.go.com/boxing/story/_/id/13621142/floyd-mayweather-took-wada-banned-iv-manny-pacquiao-fight-according-report

 

[Alpe d'Huez]

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Cyclists know all about backdated TUE's, don't we?

Meanwhile, USAToday thinks Floyd's next fight won't be his last. The lure of coming back for glory will bite him, just as it has so many before him. There are other reasons as well. Manny having a torn rotator cuff in that fight. The Manny fight being dull as can be. Plus getting continually labeled on his way out as a woman beater, and being taken to task by Ronda Rousey. It may all add up to him not wanting to try to prove himself outside the ring. We'll see...

I view one modern HW boxer as an ATG because of his accomplishments, and that's Lennox Lewis...

I missed your comment before, but I do hear you. Lewis career reminds me of Larry Holmes. Both won fight after fight against nearly everyone that was out there, sometimes in impression fashion. Many opponents were weak (though not all), but you can't blame them for that. Larry hung around too long, but that's not what he's remembered for. Both guys don't get mentioned as ATGs, but if you look at their careers objectively, both really do belong in the top-10 all time HWs. Maybe top 5.

 

[jmdirt]

Floyd is 49-0...will he go for 50 with a Manny rematch?

 

[ILovecycling]

Not a bad match,I expected worse.Round from 7-11 were entertaining,I dont get why all these boxing news are complainimg again.

As for the ending of career,I think that Mayweather gives it a break a year maybe more and then fights 50th,I hope it will be entertaining like Maidana match e.g

Amazing speed again,I dont get it

 

[May0maniac]

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Cyclists know all about backdated TUE's, don't we?

Meanwhile, USAToday thinks Floyd's next fight won't be his last. The lure of coming back for glory will bite him, just as it has so many before him. There are other reasons as well. Manny having a torn rotator cuff in that fight. The Manny fight being dull as can be. Plus getting continually labeled on his way out as a woman beater, and being taken to task by Ronda Rousey. It may all add up to him not wanting to try to prove himself outside the ring. We'll see...

I view one modern HW boxer as an ATG because of his accomplishments, and that's Lennox Lewis...

I missed your comment before, but I do hear you. Lewis career reminds me of Larry Holmes. Both won fight after fight against nearly everyone that was out there, sometimes in impression fashion. Many opponents were weak (though not all), but you can't blame them for that. Larry hung around too long, but that's not what he's remembered for. Both guys don't get mentioned as ATGs, but if you look at their careers objectively, both really do belong in the top-10 all time HWs. Maybe top 5.

Holmes was very skilled, people dismiss him because of the Tyson loss, but he cames back after 2 losses and 2 years of inactivity and fought the, in my humble opinion, best version of Tyson.
Many people say that he only fought Tyson because of the money, his 2nd comeback at age 41 was really impressive, he wanted to show the world that he still was great and beat Ray Mercer and gave Holyfield one hell of a fight. Holmes belongs on every top 10 all time HWs list and he had a great drop kick
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Lx0pTwj5buI
About the Floyd fight, I don't think that there are many interesting fights left for him, even the fight with Manny happened a few years to late, if I have to be honest I was way more excited when they announced Froch vs. Groves 2, I was really excited before that fight.

 

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Cyclists know all about backdated TUE's, don't we?

Meanwhile, USAToday thinks Floyd's next fight won't be his last. The lure of coming back for glory will bite him, just as it has so many before him. There are other reasons as well. Manny having a torn rotator cuff in that fight. The Manny fight being dull as can be. Plus getting continually labeled on his way out as a woman beater, and being taken to task by Ronda Rousey. It may all add up to him not wanting to try to prove himself outside the ring. We'll see...

I view one modern HW boxer as an ATG because of his accomplishments, and that's Lennox Lewis...

I missed your comment before, but I do hear you. Lewis career reminds me of Larry Holmes. Both won fight after fight against nearly everyone that was out there, sometimes in impression fashion. Many opponents were weak (though not all), but you can't blame them for that. Larry hung around too long, but that's not what he's remembered for. Both guys don't get mentioned as ATGs, but if you look at their careers objectively, both really do belong in the top-10 all time HWs. Maybe top 5.

Holmes was very skilled, people dismiss him because of the Tyson loss, but he cames back after 2 losses and 2 years of inactivity and fought the, in my humble opinion, best version of Tyson.
Many people say that he only fought Tyson because of the money, his 2nd comeback at age 41 was really impressive, he wanted to show the world that he still was great and beat Ray Mercer and gave Holyfield one hell of a fight. Holmes belongs on every top 10 all time HWs list and he had a great drop kick
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Lx0pTwj5buI
About the Floyd fight, I don't think that there are many interesting fights left for him, even the fight with Manny happened a few years to late, if I have to be honest I was way more excited when they announced Froch vs. Groves 2, I was really excited before that fight.

Holmes was a very good fighter. He was an old man when he fought Tyson of course. He had no hope. His fight with Tim Witherspoon was supposed to be a classic. I think I only saw highlights. Never saw too many of Lewis' fights but the ones i saw were not too impressive. I had lost interest in the heavyweight division at that stage and probably did not see his best fights.

 

[stefan357965]

Ali was the man!

 

[Dazed and Confused]

A piece on the Thriller in Manila publish on the Guardian website: http://www.theguardian.com/sport/blog/2015/oct/01/thrilla-in-manila-40-years-on-muhammad-ali-joe-frazier-boxing

There has been a couple of bouts which affected me as a fan. This was one of them.

 

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A piece on the Thriller in Manila publish on the Guardian website: http://www.theguardian.com/sport/blog/2015/oct/01/thrilla-in-manila-40-years-on-muhammad-ali-joe-frazier-boxing

There has been a couple of bouts which affected me as a fan. This was one of them.

Amazingly Frazier hid the fact that he had a detached retina in one eye, how he passed the medical is anyone's guess. And when his other eye started closing he was virtually fighting blind while Ali was dead on his feet from the heat and had punched himself out as he could not believe that Frazier had not gone down. A brutal fight. Many boxing experts said that neither fighter was the same after that fight. Ali was passing blood and dehydrated. A real war of attrition. Ali actually admitted he was close to not coming out for the later rounds and he was leading !

 

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Golovkin Wins Again

http://ri.search.yahoo.com/_ylt=AwrTcaxNliNW.kgALmhPv4lQ;_ylu=X3oDMTBydmltOXB0BHNlYwNzcgRwb3MDNgRjb2xvA2dxMQR2dGlkAw--/RV=2/RE=1445201613/RO=10/RU=http%3a%2f%2fwww.dailymail.co.uk%2fsport%2fboxing%2farticle-3277768%2fGennady-Golovkin-dominates-David-Lemieux-pay-view-showcase-stretch-winning-record-34-fights.html/RK=0/RS=EZcr.v8Lu1ob.XN4sVnKYfopiqg-

 

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Khan has announced that he will be fighting the PacMan in Manny's final bout but Bob Arum said it's a lot of rubbish.

 

[Dazed and Confused]

so Klitschko vs Tyson Fury, is it even worth paying attention to?
The aging one arm robot to win tko before 7th.

 

[Alpe d'Huez]

Well, Fury upset Kllschko. From what I can gather Fury didn't do much, but Klitschko did almost nothing. Glad I didn't pay for it.

 

[Dazed and Confused]

I'm surprised, anyway lets see if this can bring some new action into the ring.
Congrats to Fury with the 20 belts.....

 

[May0maniac]

Congrats to Fury, for a guy his size he's fast and has good foowork, fighting him has to be akward as hell. He fighs like a Larry Holmes-Valuev lovechild, even If Larry Holmes was on a whole different level and probably had the best Jab in heavyweight history.

 

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Congrats to Fury, for a guy his size he's fast and has good foowork, fighting him has to be akward as hell. He fighs like a Larry Holmes-Valuev lovechild, even If Larry Holmes was on a whole different level and probably had the best Jab in heavyweight history.

Holmes also fought with lot of heart. I recently watched his fight with Witherspoon who had the fight won but Holmes came back and turned it around. Holmes was just too tough.

 

[Alpe d'Huez]

I agree on Holmes. Many people didn't like him, and some fights he wasn't sharp, and others he fought "bums", but Larry also gritted out a lot of wins with a lot of skill and determination. I think after the Norton fight, when Larry built a lead but Kenny came roaring back and pushed Larry to the last second of the last round, Holmes learned something, that a champion fights to the very end. He showed that in the Weaver fight, the second Shavers fight, the Witherspoon fight, the Cooney fight, the Williams fight, even the second Spinks fight (which Larry was robbed, for running his mouth too much before, though he was modest afterward). Great champion.

 

[jmdirt]

Garcia vs. Guerrero...That's how a fight should end! I had it closer than the judges. All in all a good fight.