In all honesty, I'd like to see someone pull out a baseball bat and pound the living sh!t out of Mayweather. The guy is scum.
This is boxing: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9VI-M9Yw-28
Whatever that was last night, doesn't deserve to be called boxing when you watch that.
Whatever that was last night, doesn't deserve to be called boxing when you watch that.
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Not unless Mayweather became a woman. You can pretend there's not a difference, but I believe there is for a variety of reasons. Go do some work with women who've been abused by scum like Mayweather, and I think you'll find some differences too...
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Not unless Mayweather became a woman. You can pretend there's not a difference, but I believe there is for a variety of reasons. Go do some work with women who've been abused by scum like Mayweather, and I think you'll find some differences too...
http://deadspin.com/the-trouble-with-floyd-mayweather-1605217498
Actually, what I'd really like to see is 5 guys (one for each known victim) with baseball bats beat him to a blood pulp on pay-per-view.
Watching this fight brought me new respect for Marquez. He's a counter-puncher with a style somewhat similar to Floyd's, but all his fights with Pacquiao have been exciting, I think one or two were FOY candidates. He lets Manny start it, but he doesn't back away. He stands his ground and counters. Maybe that's because he isn't fast enough to back up, dodge, and do the shoulder roll, but for whatever reason, he makes a great opponent for Pacquiao.
If you think Floyd and Manny are fast now, watch some films of them in their prime. And if you really want to see speed, watch some fights in the flyweight or bantam weight division. Some of those guys are just a blur. Their fists may have all the impact of a popgun, or a swarm of mosquitoes, but they are blazing fast.
It isn't just the woman abusing that makes Mayweather despicable, though that's enough. His ostentatious show of wealth, buying 100 cars, throwing $100 bills around in public, etc., is disgusting. He flaunts his riches, is totally addicted to materialism. And a couple of years ago he made a video with a racist rant against Manny, calling him a "yellow chump", and stereotyping Asian eating habits. I'm sure that motivated Manny, though obviously not enough. You'd think an African-American would be beyond this.
But FMJ is perfectly capable of blowing the $200 million and ending up poor after he retires. He came out of retirement once because he had all these taxes to pay, and Manny is also being aggressively pursued by the Philippine government for taxes. It's sad--maybe not so sad in Floyd's case--that a large number of boxers end up broke despite winning millions, now hundreds of millions. No doubt when Floyd retires he will become a promoter, he's already his own promoter, but if he doesn't succeed at that, his life could go downhill in a hurry.
If you think Floyd and Manny are fast now, watch some films of them in their prime. And if you really want to see speed, watch some fights in the flyweight or bantam weight division. Some of those guys are just a blur. Their fists may have all the impact of a popgun, or a swarm of mosquitoes, but they are blazing fast.
It isn't just the woman abusing that makes Mayweather despicable, though that's enough. His ostentatious show of wealth, buying 100 cars, throwing $100 bills around in public, etc., is disgusting. He flaunts his riches, is totally addicted to materialism. And a couple of years ago he made a video with a racist rant against Manny, calling him a "yellow chump", and stereotyping Asian eating habits. I'm sure that motivated Manny, though obviously not enough. You'd think an African-American would be beyond this.
But FMJ is perfectly capable of blowing the $200 million and ending up poor after he retires. He came out of retirement once because he had all these taxes to pay, and Manny is also being aggressively pursued by the Philippine government for taxes. It's sad--maybe not so sad in Floyd's case--that a large number of boxers end up broke despite winning millions, now hundreds of millions. No doubt when Floyd retires he will become a promoter, he's already his own promoter, but if he doesn't succeed at that, his life could go downhill in a hurry.
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I can't remember seeing a boring Marquez fight. As for Mayweather, like Tyson his personal life was a mess, the only difference is that Tyson was in jail for longer. He is the sort of personality that might not cope without the fame, adulation and huge money and like you said many boxers go bankrupt or simply get taken advantage of. I lost count of how many people were trying to sue Don King but Chavez and Tyson were two of them. De La Hoya seems to have a done a good job post retirement but he would be in the minority unfortunately. Tyson is a pauper compared to what he made and King cost him some of his fortune. I had the feeling during the fight and watching Mayweather between rounds, that he could have won more convincingly but he just could not be bothered and he was not listening to his corner at all. He was doing a bit of showboating in the final round and knew he was way ahead on points. It seems that the rumours that he has lost interest are true. Even his demeanour before and after the fight were much more low key than usual.
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I can't remember seeing a boring Marquez fight. As for Mayweather, like Tyson his personal life was a mess, the only difference is that Tyson was in jail for longer. He is the sort of personality that might not cope without the fame, adulation and huge money and like you said many boxers go bankrupt or simply get taken advantage of. I lost count of how many people were trying to sue Don King but Chavez and Tyson were two of them. De La Hoya seems to have a done a good job post retirement but he would be in the minority unfortunately. Tyson is a pauper compared to what he made and King cost him some of his fortune. I had the feeling during the fight and watching Mayweather between rounds, that he could have won more convincingly but he just could not be bothered and he was not listening to his corner at all. He was doing a bit of showboating in the final round and knew he was way ahead on points. It seems that the rumours that he has lost interest are true. Even his demeanour before and after the fight were much more low key than usual.
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Garcia or Khan would be a utter borefest unless Floyd decides to try to win by KO.
Yep, I think he will retire soon,but I hope not after september fight (I still hope for fight with thurman or golovkin...yeah I know - Im dreamingmovingtarget said:
)Garcia or Khan would be a utter borefest unless Floyd decides to try to win by KO.
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There is no way he'll ever fight Golovkin, even if Gennady has said he'll drop down to 147. Not only would it be the biggest risk to Floyd's career, he also can get away with saying no, as Golo isn't that big of a name (yet). I always thought Ward would have been a great match-up at a catch weight. Speed versus strength. But Ward has vanished. His wins over Froch and Rodriguez dull. Top of the world, to off the rankings, without even losing a fight.
I too won't be surprised if Floyd ends up broke, as amazing as it may seem. He seems to have an army of leaches that follow him around, and people with this level of ignorance coupled with arrogance rarely are able to capitalize on their fortune. Take a look at the countless lottery winners who end up broke.
As to the fight, USA Today had a pretty harsh review of Manny, saying the fight was boring because of him. That Manny was there for the paycheck as much as anything, and Floyd there just to win, little more.
http://ftw.usatoday.com/2015/05/manny-pacquiao-floyd-mayweather-fight-of-the-century-terrible-horrible-no-good-very-bad
Reminds me of the third Leonard-Duran fight. Despite the hype, Ray just boxed, and Roberto patiently followed him around, waiting to collect his money.
I too won't be surprised if Floyd ends up broke, as amazing as it may seem. He seems to have an army of leaches that follow him around, and people with this level of ignorance coupled with arrogance rarely are able to capitalize on their fortune. Take a look at the countless lottery winners who end up broke.
As to the fight, USA Today had a pretty harsh review of Manny, saying the fight was boring because of him. That Manny was there for the paycheck as much as anything, and Floyd there just to win, little more.
http://ftw.usatoday.com/2015/05/manny-pacquiao-floyd-mayweather-fight-of-the-century-terrible-horrible-no-good-very-bad
Reminds me of the third Leonard-Duran fight. Despite the hype, Ray just boxed, and Roberto patiently followed him around, waiting to collect his money.
More has emerged on the shoulder injury. Pacquiao failed to disclose it before the fight, and could face disciplinary action. There's even talk about fans suing, because if they had known this before the fight they might not have paid to see it. If it was a serious problem, why not postpone the fight? I guess one reason would be that with all the trouble making the fight, they were afraid a postponement would lead to ultimately canceling it, especially if an operation were needed, as now apparently is the case. But still, the biggest fight of your career, and you’re going to take a chance that you won’t be 100%?
OK, I just heard that Manny is expected to be out 9-12 months with the surgery. That changes everything. Since Floyd plans to retire at the end of this year, if they hadn't fought now, very likely they never would have. Indeed, if Manny was weaker because of the injury, what would he be like a year older and with a long layoff? Let's say 9 months, which takes us to early next year. He would need a tune up fight before meeting Floyd, so we're talking about a full year's delay at least. Manny would be 37, and even if Floyd agreed to fight, he would be 39. This is assuming that the operation went well, of course.
It's sad, but it looks as though this was the best we were ever going to get. Roach says they thought the shoulder was responding well to treatment, but if treatment were necessary, why wait till the last minute to ask permission to have the treatment right before the fight? Why not notify the commission at the time? Maybe they were afraid if the news got out, it would give Floyd an edge, but really, do you play games like that, gambling that you can get the treatment you need? They also said USADA had approved the treatment, but it was up to the Nevada commission to make the final decision. The commission said later they only needed enough time to see the MRIs and other reports, but Manny's side didn't give them that much time.
I’m continually astonished that at the very pinnacle of sports, where you would think every last little detail was anticipated and handled, incredibly boneheaded decisions or non-decisions like this can happen. After all the hype and all the money, one guy goes in at an apparent disadvantage.
Did it affect the outcome of the fight? Probably not. Manny said the shoulder did not bother him until that flurry of punches he put on Mayweather in the fourth round. Even before that, his volume was down, so it doesn't seem the injury can account for the unexpectedly few punches he threw, as people close to him were claiming. And it didn't seem to me that Manny got noticeably worse after the fourth round. But we'll never know for sure.
I thought before that Khan would be the best possible opponent for Mayweather, but if Manny couldn’t do that much, Amir won’t. I’d like to see him take on GGG, but it would have to be at a catchweight that really wouldn’t be right for Golovkin. Even when he’s not fighting, Mayweather never goes over I think 150-152, so you couldn’t ask him to fight at a weight higher than that, and GGG really isn’t going to be comfortable at that weight. Floyd could, of course, if he really wanted to stick it to his critics, agree to fight at 160, which would mean GGG would outweigh him by maybe 20 pounds in the ring. But given that GGG doesn’t have that much of a name yet, this is a fight that only hard-core fans would love, it isn’t worth the risk for Floyd.
No chance ever for Ward vs. Mayweather. Ward fights at 168, even if he were willing to come down a little, he’s way too big for Floyd. Maybe you meant Ward vs. GGG. That has been talked about, but even that means a catchweight.
I think Manny should retire, and if he's going to be out a year with surgery, that decision seems almost inevitable. But if he doesn’t, I would like to see one more fight vs. Marquez, assuming JMM doesn't retire soon. That would make a great swan song for both of them, even if they would be well past their prime next year. I think history will rate Marquez as one of the greatest Mexican fighters ever, and not much below Manny. Their fights have all been close, and if not for that two year period when Manny moved up to welterweight and began demolishing larger opponents, their accomplishments would be very similar.
I still remember it all started for Manny with Marquez II, which he won by a single point. If it had been a draw, like their previous fight, or a loss, no match with Diaz for a lightweight title. No match with Diaz, and Oscar, who asked two other fighters first, probably wouldn’t have picked Manny as his opponent. No de la Hoya fight, and Manny might never have moved up to welterweight and taken on all those others.
I even remember it all hung on a few seconds late in the third round. Marquez won the first two rounds, and was winning the third, which would have given him a lead very difficult to overcome. With about a minute left, Manny knocked him down, and just like that the fight was tied. That knockdown turned out to be the deciding point, not just in the fight, but arguably in Manny's career.
OK, I just heard that Manny is expected to be out 9-12 months with the surgery. That changes everything. Since Floyd plans to retire at the end of this year, if they hadn't fought now, very likely they never would have. Indeed, if Manny was weaker because of the injury, what would he be like a year older and with a long layoff? Let's say 9 months, which takes us to early next year. He would need a tune up fight before meeting Floyd, so we're talking about a full year's delay at least. Manny would be 37, and even if Floyd agreed to fight, he would be 39. This is assuming that the operation went well, of course.
It's sad, but it looks as though this was the best we were ever going to get. Roach says they thought the shoulder was responding well to treatment, but if treatment were necessary, why wait till the last minute to ask permission to have the treatment right before the fight? Why not notify the commission at the time? Maybe they were afraid if the news got out, it would give Floyd an edge, but really, do you play games like that, gambling that you can get the treatment you need? They also said USADA had approved the treatment, but it was up to the Nevada commission to make the final decision. The commission said later they only needed enough time to see the MRIs and other reports, but Manny's side didn't give them that much time.
I’m continually astonished that at the very pinnacle of sports, where you would think every last little detail was anticipated and handled, incredibly boneheaded decisions or non-decisions like this can happen. After all the hype and all the money, one guy goes in at an apparent disadvantage.
Did it affect the outcome of the fight? Probably not. Manny said the shoulder did not bother him until that flurry of punches he put on Mayweather in the fourth round. Even before that, his volume was down, so it doesn't seem the injury can account for the unexpectedly few punches he threw, as people close to him were claiming. And it didn't seem to me that Manny got noticeably worse after the fourth round. But we'll never know for sure.
I thought before that Khan would be the best possible opponent for Mayweather, but if Manny couldn’t do that much, Amir won’t. I’d like to see him take on GGG, but it would have to be at a catchweight that really wouldn’t be right for Golovkin. Even when he’s not fighting, Mayweather never goes over I think 150-152, so you couldn’t ask him to fight at a weight higher than that, and GGG really isn’t going to be comfortable at that weight. Floyd could, of course, if he really wanted to stick it to his critics, agree to fight at 160, which would mean GGG would outweigh him by maybe 20 pounds in the ring. But given that GGG doesn’t have that much of a name yet, this is a fight that only hard-core fans would love, it isn’t worth the risk for Floyd.
No chance ever for Ward vs. Mayweather. Ward fights at 168, even if he were willing to come down a little, he’s way too big for Floyd. Maybe you meant Ward vs. GGG. That has been talked about, but even that means a catchweight.
I think Manny should retire, and if he's going to be out a year with surgery, that decision seems almost inevitable. But if he doesn’t, I would like to see one more fight vs. Marquez, assuming JMM doesn't retire soon. That would make a great swan song for both of them, even if they would be well past their prime next year. I think history will rate Marquez as one of the greatest Mexican fighters ever, and not much below Manny. Their fights have all been close, and if not for that two year period when Manny moved up to welterweight and began demolishing larger opponents, their accomplishments would be very similar.
I still remember it all started for Manny with Marquez II, which he won by a single point. If it had been a draw, like their previous fight, or a loss, no match with Diaz for a lightweight title. No match with Diaz, and Oscar, who asked two other fighters first, probably wouldn’t have picked Manny as his opponent. No de la Hoya fight, and Manny might never have moved up to welterweight and taken on all those others.
I even remember it all hung on a few seconds late in the third round. Marquez won the first two rounds, and was winning the third, which would have given him a lead very difficult to overcome. With about a minute left, Manny knocked him down, and just like that the fight was tied. That knockdown turned out to be the deciding point, not just in the fight, but arguably in Manny's career.
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Excellent posts guys.
Firstly it looks ridiculous to blame Pac for not so entertaining fight, wtf? Yeah, he threw a lot less punches then he usually does, but (if I overlook injury) it was because of a good defense and speed of an opponent.Its true that he could have fought more open (attacking more) and in that case Floyd could have made adjusments and fought more agressively too, but it would be such a high risk of knockdown - and you know all those money...
As for GGG...I just didnt realise he is not that famous yet, I agree that would be a problem for Mayweather and I dont think the critic about not taking fight at higher weight is enough to shut them mouth.Maybe in 2017 orso he will be more famous, but by that time Maywather will be like 41.Unfortunately this won't happen, and I dont have an idea with whom he can fight interesting fight (certainly not Khan nor Garcia like I said).
Maybe a Cotto fight could be a bit entertaining but you never know.
What about Canelo? Has he improved since 2013? I stopped follow him after that Angulo fight.
Firstly it looks ridiculous to blame Pac for not so entertaining fight, wtf? Yeah, he threw a lot less punches then he usually does, but (if I overlook injury) it was because of a good defense and speed of an opponent.Its true that he could have fought more open (attacking more) and in that case Floyd could have made adjusments and fought more agressively too, but it would be such a high risk of knockdown - and you know all those money...
As for GGG...I just didnt realise he is not that famous yet, I agree that would be a problem for Mayweather and I dont think the critic about not taking fight at higher weight is enough to shut them mouth.Maybe in 2017 orso he will be more famous, but by that time Maywather will be like 41.Unfortunately this won't happen, and I dont have an idea with whom he can fight interesting fight (certainly not Khan nor Garcia like I said).
Maybe a Cotto fight could be a bit entertaining but you never know.
What about Canelo? Has he improved since 2013? I stopped follow him after that Angulo fight.
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Actually, GGG said himself it's not a problem for him to go to 154 to fight Mayweather. He really wants to fight Mayweather himself, so I guess the only problem is Golovkin's lack of fame which means Mayweather can get away with ducking this fight. Mayweather vs. GGG would be a great fight though, but I don't think Mayweather wants to take the risk, unfortunately.
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Actually, GGG said himself it's not a problem for him to go to 154 to fight Mayweather. He really wants to fight Mayweather himself, so I guess the only problem is Golovkin's lack of fame which means Mayweather can get away with ducking this fight. Mayweather vs. GGG would be a great fight though, but I don't think Mayweather wants to take the risk, unfortunately.
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Im looking forward to JMM (hopeful) return tho
Not many bouts to attract my attention.Apart from GGG knockoutmovingtarget said:
Im looking forward to JMM (hopeful) return tho
Hard to believe, but it’s being reported that Mayweather is open to fighting Pacquiao again, even if he’d have to wait—long past his scheduled retirement this fall—for Manny to recover from rotator cuff surgery. Maybe the lure of money is too much. Word is that the PPV audience was over 4 million, maybe over 4.5 million. That means the revenue from just that exceeded $400 million, about $250 million of which went to the fighters. Add in the live gate, the international sales, etc., and they divvied up around $400 million, of which about $250 million went to Floyd. Even less than half of it the second time around might be hard to resist. Speculation is that if they fought a second time they'd still sell more PPV than any other match possible for either fighter, and even if the lowered the PPV cost, they'd rake in a lot.
Another factor to keep in mind is that fighters frequently retire, then come out of retirement. Floyd did it a few years ago. In this case, he wouldn't have to be inactive any longer than he would if he didn't retire, since he normally doesn't fight more than about every six months, anyway. Another possible incentive for Floyd is that a fight next year would be his 50th, he could retire with a 50-0 record.
But never underestimate the ability of Bob Arum to get in the way. When he was asked if he thought it was fair that Mayweather, having won this fight, get a larger than 60-40 share of a rematch, Arum replied that Mayweather's share should actually be less, not more. Good luck taking that position to the bargaining table.
By the way, Arum also said Manny has had a rotator cuff tear since 2008, when he fought de la Hoya in his first fight ever at more than 135. He claims that it has flared up off and on over the years. I find it incredible that Manny lived with this all those years, it never seemed to affect his performance in a fight, no one ever knew about it, and he never considered having surgery before. After he was KOd by Marquez at the end of 2012, he didn't fight again for something like 9-10 months. At that time, there didn't seem to be any possibility of a fight with Mayweather, That might have been a good time to have the surgery.
I found a very interesting post on a forum in which a guy watched the entire fight in slow motion, and lists every single punch thrown and the result. He then totals up the results:
http://www.boxingnews24.com/2015/05/mayweather-vs-pacquiao-replay-tells-another-story/
Detailed round-by-round analysis here:
http://forum.philboxing.com/viewtopic.php?f=1&t=265799&start=255
According to him, the total punches thrown were 471 for Floyd and 416 for Manny, not too far off the 435 and 429 according to compubox. But he claims Manny landed more, 98 to 68, about 23% to 14%. The % Manny landed is a little higher than what compubox had, about 19%, but the % he claims Floyd landed is far lower than the 32% according to compubox.
As a result, he has Manny clearly winning 6 rounds, Floyd 3, with 3 very close. So even if all three of the close rounds are given to Floyd, it’s a draw, whereas if any are given to Manny, Manny wins. Another interesting thing about this analysis is that it shows no evidence of Manny’s getting worse after round 4, when he said he reinjured his rotator cuff. By this analysis, he won 4 of the final 8 rounds, Floyd won 2, and 2 were very close. His average numbers of punches thrown per round were also virtually identical in rounds 1-4 and rounds 5-12, about 35.
I don’t know what to make of this. Fights are not supposed to be determined just on the basis of compubox, and one could argue that the judges believed Floyd landed the cleaner, more damaging shots. Most people experienced in watching fights thought Floyd clearly won. The summary of this analysis just considered whether a punch landed, not where, and how hard.
But compubox data are being used by commentators to argue that Floyd was clearly the better fighter, and the huge difference, particularly for Floyd, between compubox and what this guy found is very hard to explain. Depending on the camera angle, it may be difficult to tell sometimes whether a punch landed, but most cases should be pretty clear. And in principle, the guy watching the fight later in slow motion should be more accurate than someone doing it live as is the case with compubox. You also have to wonder that if the compubox guys might have gotten it that wrong, couldn't the judges as well?
To broaden this discussion, I wonder if judging can't be automated. In principle I think it would be possible to record electronically every time one boxer's fist makes contact with his opponent's body, and how hard. Combining that with where on the body the punch landed, and every landed punch could be assigned a number value. The fighter with the highest total wins, absent a KO.
Another factor to keep in mind is that fighters frequently retire, then come out of retirement. Floyd did it a few years ago. In this case, he wouldn't have to be inactive any longer than he would if he didn't retire, since he normally doesn't fight more than about every six months, anyway. Another possible incentive for Floyd is that a fight next year would be his 50th, he could retire with a 50-0 record.
But never underestimate the ability of Bob Arum to get in the way. When he was asked if he thought it was fair that Mayweather, having won this fight, get a larger than 60-40 share of a rematch, Arum replied that Mayweather's share should actually be less, not more. Good luck taking that position to the bargaining table.
By the way, Arum also said Manny has had a rotator cuff tear since 2008, when he fought de la Hoya in his first fight ever at more than 135. He claims that it has flared up off and on over the years. I find it incredible that Manny lived with this all those years, it never seemed to affect his performance in a fight, no one ever knew about it, and he never considered having surgery before. After he was KOd by Marquez at the end of 2012, he didn't fight again for something like 9-10 months. At that time, there didn't seem to be any possibility of a fight with Mayweather, That might have been a good time to have the surgery.
I found a very interesting post on a forum in which a guy watched the entire fight in slow motion, and lists every single punch thrown and the result. He then totals up the results:
http://www.boxingnews24.com/2015/05/mayweather-vs-pacquiao-replay-tells-another-story/
Detailed round-by-round analysis here:
http://forum.philboxing.com/viewtopic.php?f=1&t=265799&start=255
According to him, the total punches thrown were 471 for Floyd and 416 for Manny, not too far off the 435 and 429 according to compubox. But he claims Manny landed more, 98 to 68, about 23% to 14%. The % Manny landed is a little higher than what compubox had, about 19%, but the % he claims Floyd landed is far lower than the 32% according to compubox.
As a result, he has Manny clearly winning 6 rounds, Floyd 3, with 3 very close. So even if all three of the close rounds are given to Floyd, it’s a draw, whereas if any are given to Manny, Manny wins. Another interesting thing about this analysis is that it shows no evidence of Manny’s getting worse after round 4, when he said he reinjured his rotator cuff. By this analysis, he won 4 of the final 8 rounds, Floyd won 2, and 2 were very close. His average numbers of punches thrown per round were also virtually identical in rounds 1-4 and rounds 5-12, about 35.
I don’t know what to make of this. Fights are not supposed to be determined just on the basis of compubox, and one could argue that the judges believed Floyd landed the cleaner, more damaging shots. Most people experienced in watching fights thought Floyd clearly won. The summary of this analysis just considered whether a punch landed, not where, and how hard.
But compubox data are being used by commentators to argue that Floyd was clearly the better fighter, and the huge difference, particularly for Floyd, between compubox and what this guy found is very hard to explain. Depending on the camera angle, it may be difficult to tell sometimes whether a punch landed, but most cases should be pretty clear. And in principle, the guy watching the fight later in slow motion should be more accurate than someone doing it live as is the case with compubox. You also have to wonder that if the compubox guys might have gotten it that wrong, couldn't the judges as well?
To broaden this discussion, I wonder if judging can't be automated. In principle I think it would be possible to record electronically every time one boxer's fist makes contact with his opponent's body, and how hard. Combining that with where on the body the punch landed, and every landed punch could be assigned a number value. The fighter with the highest total wins, absent a KO.
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I'm amazed that Manny has managed to fight with that injury even if it only flares up now and then especially for a boxer as the shoulders are constantly being used and also being hit. As for the fight result, people are dreaming if they think the fight was close. Amazingly some people said Manny won clearly. I noticed that one of the judges who has been mixed up with some controversial results in the past but not this time as I thought he was on the ball. I pretty much agreed with his margin of 8-4 to Floyd. Maybe a drawn round or two in there possibly. I was actually expecting a split decision to Floyd, knowing how erratic some of the scoring is in Las Vegas sometimes.
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I'm amazed that Manny has managed to fight with that injury even if it only flares up now and then especially for a boxer as the shoulders are constantly being used and also being hit. As for the fight result, people are dreaming if they think the fight was close. Amazingly some people said Manny won clearly. I noticed that one of the judges who has been mixed up with some controversial results in the past but not this time as I thought he was on the ball. I pretty much agreed with his margin of 8-4 to Floyd. Maybe a drawn round or two in there possibly. I was actually expecting a split decision to Floyd, knowing how erratic some of the scoring is in Las Vegas sometimes.
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Fascinating. However, I'd like to see that broken down even more, clean versus glancing or partially blocked blows, power punches.
This reminds me of the Hagler Leonard fight, where Marvin threw harder punches and was the aggressor, but Ray definitely threw more punches, of which some were partly or fully blocked. To what effect, will forever be debated.
I can definitely see a day when technology makes gloves that sense data, and are coupled with some sort of body scanning system to score fights. Might take another 50 years, but it seems plausible.
As to a rematch, I can see it because Floyd would allow it, thinking he could win just as easily. Would he, with a 'healthy' Manny? I'd guess yes, maybe 7-5 this time in rounds, instead of 8-4.
This reminds me of the Hagler Leonard fight, where Marvin threw harder punches and was the aggressor, but Ray definitely threw more punches, of which some were partly or fully blocked. To what effect, will forever be debated.
I can definitely see a day when technology makes gloves that sense data, and are coupled with some sort of body scanning system to score fights. Might take another 50 years, but it seems plausible.
As to a rematch, I can see it because Floyd would allow it, thinking he could win just as easily. Would he, with a 'healthy' Manny? I'd guess yes, maybe 7-5 this time in rounds, instead of 8-4.
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The big fight generated 4.4 million PPV, breaking the old record of about 2.5 million. Mayweather makes about $210 million, Pacquiao $140 million.
Sergio Martinez is retiring, glad to see that. He says his knees are shot, apparently they were before the Cotto fight. That was another example of a fighter going into a fight knowing he was injured. Not being able to move freely probably affected him far more than Manny's rotator cuff.
Speaking of Cotto, Canelo should beat him without too much trouble if they meet this fall, which they will if Cotto gets past his next opponent. Would like to see the winner of that fight take on GGG. Golovkin may end up like Martinez, who didn't attract notice until relatively late in his career, only had a few years to enjoy his dominance before declining, and even then couldn't get good fights most of the time.
Sergio Martinez is retiring, glad to see that. He says his knees are shot, apparently they were before the Cotto fight. That was another example of a fighter going into a fight knowing he was injured. Not being able to move freely probably affected him far more than Manny's rotator cuff.
Speaking of Cotto, Canelo should beat him without too much trouble if they meet this fall, which they will if Cotto gets past his next opponent. Would like to see the winner of that fight take on GGG. Golovkin may end up like Martinez, who didn't attract notice until relatively late in his career, only had a few years to enjoy his dominance before declining, and even then couldn't get good fights most of the time.
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Its a pity that most of his career he doesnt fight the good ones.
This guy is a beastmovingtarget said:
Its a pity that most of his career he doesnt fight the good ones.
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Which brings up an interesting point. Why didn't he call out Floyd after the fight, saying he'd meet him at 154? Instead, he said he wanted to fight Miguel Cotto or Canelo Alvarez next. Floyd is where the greatest money, and challenge is. He can't expect Floyd to fight at 160, but 154 would be ideal.
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