I believe Brad and I believe he is a victim of doping. Who knows where he would have come in a clean peloton. And Vino should get a lifetime ban too.
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fat_boy_fat said:And because of that, change is quite unlikely. At least it will take a long time. There is not much solidarity between individual competitors.
spalco said:I'm willing to believe McGee, but what's with this casual attitude to others' doping even while you realise yourself how much it cost you in your career?
simoni said:Similar argument applies to the people who criticised Millar for tiptoeing round the Armstrong issue in his book. Maybe he knew the truth, or could have made a good guess at it. But while the dark side still have power and influence you're at risk of biting the hand that feeds you.
The landscape seems to be changing to one that supports and celebrates the good guys but there's still a long long way to go.
Dear Wiggo said:Please let me know when you find a good guy still riding in the peloton![]()
simoni said:If thats how you feel then maybe try another sport? Croquet has a good reputation
hrotha said:Was he clean? Maybe. I certainly think it was possible to achieve a certain degree of success while clean, and what he did would qualify. At the same time, putting money on any particular rider from that era being clean is very risky.
The article *sounds* believable, that's for sure.
hrotha said:Was he clean? Maybe. I certainly think it was possible to achieve a certain degree of success while clean, and what he did would qualify. At the same time, putting money on any particular rider from that era being clean is very risky.
The article *sounds* believable, that's for sure.
pmcg76 said:I do remember McGee being one of the few pro's who really sounded genuinely ****ed at all the accusation's of doping and him inviting journalists to come live with him and watch him train.
Like others, the idea of going to work for Riis doesn't sit well with me.
simoni said:If thats how you feel then maybe try another sport? Croquet has a good reputation
Simoni said:Similar argument applies to the people who criticised Millar for tiptoeing round the Armstrong issue in his book. Maybe he knew the truth, or could have made a good guess at it. But while the dark side still have power and influence you're at risk of biting the hand that feeds you.
The landscape seems to be changing to one that supports and celebrates the good guys but there's still a long long way to go.
Give the man credit for saying and doing something about it.No_Balls said:There is a difference with believing a guy and wanting to believe a guy. Not that its matter either given McGee works for Riis and thus keeping Omertá safe and sound. Either it is this or someone has to accept Saxobank-Tinkoff bank is a role model in the peloton (and i dont think some of the clinic hypocrites are ready to do that just yet).
Zam_Olyas said:Why is that and how are they hypocrites?
No_Balls said:I dont want to mention any names (hint: one is on my ignorelist) but you know you are a hypocrite when you are bullying around against others under the pretext of doping when you yourself celebrate a rider who a) is a convicted doper and b) speaking the Omertá language.
That is not cool.
cineteq said:Give the man credit for saying and doing something about it.
Since he stayed riding, it's obvious that he wasn't completely clean [see Basssons]. Nothing is black or white. He deserves credit for wanting to change even if it's not telling the whole truth.No_Balls said:I´ll give him credit for (if) he as an athlete was clean. And that is pretty strange saying considering it is against the rule doing otherwise. But then working for a guy like Riis as you profession is another story altogether.
cineteq said:Since he stayed riding, it's obvious that he wasn't completely clean [see Basssons]. Nothing is black or white. He deserves credit for wanting to change even if it's not telling the whole truth.
It's not my logic, it's reality. Even if he was not doping he was supporting omerta, the system, and that counts too as not being (completely) clean.GJB123 said:So following that (imho failed) logic, what does that tell you about Moncoutie?