Brailsford Should Stand Down

[Catwhoorg]

He still came away with 15 wins all season, leaving only 35 for the rest of the team. He was certainly the most winningest team member, and I imagine also the rider with most podiums.

Yep, but by his 2009-2011 standards, a relatively poor year.

Which just shows what a amazing talent he is in his (very limited) role.
Cav is second to none at bringing it home on flat stages.

2013 is going to be friggen huge for him with a whole leadout train at his beck and call again.

But the idea that he is part of some Sky-wide doping ring because of his 2012 results is laughable.

 

[JimmyFingers]

No, I spotted it before your flood of posts that followed.

As for " the quote" - if you snip off the "maybe" at the front you might have something - but as its clearly there then you don't

No you are being disingenuous. Clearly him saying Sky are not dirty, it's a small core of dopers lead by Wiggins conflicts with the theories espoused by that post where he refers to Sky as UK Postal and compares the team's relative results. In fact the inference is that Sky are bigger dopers than US Postal were. He indiscriminately references Sky wins and podiums from throughout the team, not just the Tenerife 3, and then theorises that the rest of the team got the drugs too. A brief scan of the names include EBH, Cavendish, Uran and Nordhaug.

You seem to be obsessed by semantics and the minutiae of what people post, a passive-aggressive technique to undermine someone's viewpoint without actually giving one of your own. 'Maybe' means he is voicing an opinion, and that opinion is in conflict with the most recent one for which I accused him of back-tracking. Why don't you explain his posts to me and illustrate how that is not back-tracking? I have done enough running around for you

 

[Dr. Maserati]

No you are being disingenuous. Clearly him saying Sky are not dirty, it's a small core of dopers lead by Wiggins conflicts with the theories espoused by that post where he refers to Sky as UK Postal and compares the team's relative results. In fact the inference is that Sky are bigger dopers than US Postal were. He indiscriminately references Sky wins and podiums from throughout the team, not just the Tenerife 3, and then theorises that the rest of the team got the drugs too. A brief scan of the names include EBH, Cavendish, Uran and Nordhaug.

You seem to be obsessed by semantics and the minutiae of what people post, a passive-aggressive technique to undermine someone's viewpoint without actually giving one of your own. 'Maybe' means he is voicing an opinion, and that opinion is in conflict with the most recent one for which I accused him of back-tracking. Why don't you explain his posts to me and illustrate how that is not back-tracking? I have done enough running around for you

I am - it stops me from having to misinterpret what people say.

If you want to know what my position is then just ask. No need to look through my post history and pick out a paragraph that you misinterpret.

 

[JimmyFingers]

I am - it stops me from having to misinterpret what people say.

If you want to know what my position is then just ask. No need to look through my post history and pick out a paragraph that you misinterpret.

Don't mind if I don't bother, I have interpreted correctly. Your distinct lack of an answer speaks volumes.

 

[Galic Ho]

I see this as back-tracking, now cracks in the theory that there is team-wide doping are starting to show. Who is Wiggins and co exactly? Sky won 50 races last season, which where juiced and which were clean? What percentage of the riders are doping?

Conveient generalisations like that one just throw up more questions. I noticed the theories about Sky twist and turn throughout the season, in reaction to results and form shown, from full-blown US Postal-style EPO use, to drugs to lose weight, to minimal doping and soft-pedalling to the power-meters, to designer drugs that no-one has heard of yet.

Now we have an inner cabal doping in secret? Yet Yates wasn't part of that? Dirty Sean Yates, pals with Armstrong and Motoman, one of the reasons the clinic have laid into Sky again and again, surely he was part of the doping conspiracy?

Face it, the theory is full of holes. At best there be riders doping independently of the team, I can't see systematic doping occurring there. My reasoning? If they were they would have been much cleverer is hiding it, they have made it so easy to accuse them of it all season, and now they are jettisoning people that would be privy to any systematic doping. It doesn't ring true, but I look forward to the explanations

So trolling once more. Man give it a rest already tard. You only get one special juice Sky payment per month, so make it last. Coming on here and being the PR man for Sky doesn't win you brownie points.

Think I am wrong? You are clearly trolling. If not you are a born moron, which is sad. Or maybe you are both? Pick one of the three and run with it. Dear Wiggo posted this:

Sky per se are not dirty. Small, sophisticated pockets of it are. Wiggins and co, as an example.

If you weren't fapping once again over Wiggins poster you might have avoided derailing the thread. But that was your intention all along wasn't it? Deflect and derail the thread. It is about Brailsford. Period. Can a mod please send this goose an infraction? Look at the last four pages. He clearly derailed the thread and created a bogus subtext and paradigm for doing so...one based on a blatant lie and fabrication as shown above with Dear Wiggo's post. Jimmy either saw this and ignored it or didn't and refused to stop his off topic mumbo jumbo posts despite multiple corrections from other forumists. And please try and tell me it wasn't trolling.

Jimmy, seeing as you are really, really slow I'll let you in on a secret. Well, that isn't true, it's common knowledge to everyone but yourself and other like minded Sky fanboys. It's well known in the Clinic when doping talk arises about Sky, it is always to do with the Fab Four. That's how bad it was...even Cav got a pass for the most part. But by all means, go jump on that thread and garble some more nonsense to dilute a thread.

I do have one question for you Jimmy. You aren't Dimspace are you? Because he is the only person I've seen on this forum daft enough to put other people's doping infringements and suspicions together, but not for his poster boys. You should hit his forum up and go buy a round if you're not friends. Your ilk need to stick together. Safety in numbers.

Oh and while I am at it. Have a cry for me whilst you console yourself over the mean Aussies picking on you again. After all, we should all be nice to folk sprouting your garbage.

 

[JimmyFingers]

So trolling once more. Man give it a rest already tard. You only get one special juice Sky payment per month, so make it last. Coming on here and being the PR man for Sky doesn't win you brownie points.

Think I am wrong? You are clearly trolling. If not you are a born moron, which is sad. Or maybe you are both? Pick one of the three and run with it. Dear Wiggo posted this:

If you weren't fapping once again over Wiggins poster you might have avoided derailing the thread. But that was your intention all along wasn't it? Deflect and derail the thread. It is about Brailsford. Period. Can a mod please send this goose an infraction? Look at the last four pages. He clearly derailed the thread and created a bogus subtext and paradigm for doing so...one based on a blatant lie and fabrication as shown above with Dear Wiggo's post. Jimmy either saw this and ignored it or didn't and refused to stop his off topic mumbo jumbo posts despite multiple corrections from other forumists. And please try and tell me it wasn't trolling.

Jimmy, seeing as you are really, really slow I'll let you in on a secret. Well, that isn't true, it's common knowledge to everyone but yourself and other like minded Sky fanboys. It's well known in the Clinic when doping talk arises about Sky, it is always to do with the Fab Four. That's how bad it was...even Cav got a pass for the most part. But by all means, go jump on that thread and garble some more nonsense to dilute a thread.

I do have one question for you Jimmy. You aren't Dimspace are you? Because he is the only person I've seen on this forum daft enough to put other people's doping infringements and suspicions together, but not for his poster boys. You should hit his forum up and go buy a round if you're not friends. Your ilk need to stick together. Safety in numbers.

Oh and while I am at it. Have a cry for me whilst you console yourself over the mean Aussies picking on you again. After all, we should all be nice to folk sprouting your garbage.

I do enjoy your 'roid rants, I really do. The next moment I have forgotten about them

 

[Dr. Maserati]

Don't mind if I don't bother, I have interpreted correctly. Your distinct lack of an answer speaks volumes.

The only question I saw you ask me was to interpret what someone else said (I have already answered that) and I will await them to clarify if that is correct.

Your point is merely to bundle all points together - in an effort to avoid the clear lying and BS of how Sky have run their operation.

 

[JimmyFingers]

The only question I saw you ask me was to interpret what someone else said (I have already answered that) and I will await them to clarify if that is correct.

Your point is merely to bundle all points together - in an effort to avoid the clear lying and BS of how Sky have run their operation.

Again a post that says nothing, clarifies no point yet seeks me to do the running around. As I said I'm not doing that any more. Rather you prove a point by actually saying something real rather than attempting to further obfuscate.

 

[TheGame]

Posted by Dear Wiggo:

Seems more appropriate here. USPS were doped to the gills in 2003, no question.



Yeah all those 1 times they thrashed the Vuelta, while juiced to the gills. In 2003.

2003 USPS victories:


2012 Team Sky victories:

Omega Pharma Quickstep Victories

21/10/2012 MARTIN Tony 1.1 Chrono des Nations - Les Herbiers Vendée
13/10/2012 MARTIN Tony 2.WT Tour of Beijing
10/10/2012 MARTIN Tony 2.WTs Tour of Beijing, Stage 2 : Bird’s Nest - Men Tou Gou
19/09/2012 MARTIN Tony WCTT World Championships (Heerlen - Valkenburg) I.T.T.
16/09/2012 OmegaPharma - Quick Step WCTT World Championships (Sittard - Valkenburg) T.T.T.
8/09/2012 BOONEN Tom 1.HC Paris - Bruxelles
3/09/2012 CATALDO Dario GT2s Vuelta a España, Stage 16 : Gijon - Valgrande-Pajares (Cueto Negro)
1/09/2012 BOONEN Tom 2.1 World Ports Classic
31/08/2012 BOONEN Tom 2.1s World Ports Classic, Stage 1 : Rotterdam - Antwerpen (Bel)
15/08/2012 VANDEWALLE Kristof NCT1 National Championships Belgium (Eau d'Heure) I.T.T.
12/08/2012 LEIPHEIMER Levi 2.1s Tour of Utah, Stage 6 : Park City - Park City
8/08/2012 OmegaPharma - Quick Step 2.1s Tour de l'Ain, Stage 2b : Saint-Vulbas T.T.T.
12/07/2012 STYBAR Zdenek 2.WTs Tour de Pologne, Stage 3 : Kedzierzyn Kozle - Cieszyn
24/06/2012 BRAMMEIER Matthew NC3 National Championships Ireland (Clonmel) R.R.
24/06/2012 GOLAS Michal NC3 National Championships Poland (Sedziszow) R.R.
24/06/2012 TERPSTRA Niki NC2 National Championships Netherlands (Kerkrade) R.R.
24/06/2012 BOONEN Tom NC1 National Championships Belgium (Geel) R.R.
24/06/2012 CATALDO Dario NCT1 National Championships Italy (Levico Terme) I.T.T.
22/06/2012 MARTIN Tony NCT1 National Championships Germany (Zwenkau) I.T.T.
21/06/2012 VELITS Peter NCT3 National Championships Slovakia (Puchov) I.T.T.
21/06/2012 CHAVANEL Sylvain NCT1 National Championships France (St.Amand-les-Eaux) I.T.T.
27/05/2012 MARTIN Tony 2.HC Ronde van België / Tour de Belgique
26/05/2012 MARTIN Tony 2.HCs Ronde van België / Tour de Belgique, Stage 4 : Turnhout - Arendonk I.T.T.
7/05/2012 STYBAR Zdenek 2.HCs 4 Jours de Dunkerque, Stage 4 : Gravelines - Cassel
28/04/2012 KEISSE Iljo 2.HCs Presidential Tour of Turkey, Stage 7 : Kusadasi - Izmir
8/04/2012 BOONEN Tom 1.WT1 Paris - Roubaix
1/04/2012 BOONEN Tom 1.WT1 Ronde van Vlaanderen
29/03/2012 CHAVANEL Sylvain 2.HC Driedaagse De Panne-Koksijde
29/03/2012 CHAVANEL Sylvain 2.HCs Driedaagse De Panne-Koksijde, Stage 3b : De Panne - De Panne I.T.T.
25/03/2012 BOONEN Tom 1.WT2 Gent - Wevelgem
23/03/2012 BOONEN Tom 1.WT2 E3 Prijs Vlaanderen - Harelbeke
21/03/2012 TERPSTRA Niki 1.1 Dwars door Vlaanderen - Waregem
16/03/2012 CHICCHI Francesco 1.1 Handzame Classic
14/03/2012 CHICCHI Francesco 1.1 Nokere Koerse
5/03/2012 BOONEN Tom 2.WTs Paris - Nice, Stage 2 : Mantes - Orléans
4/03/2012 VERMOTE Julien 2.1 Driedaagse van West-Vlaanderen
3/03/2012 CHICCHI Francesco 2.1s Driedaagse van West-Vlaanderen, Stage 1 : Brugge - Bellegem
2/03/2012 KWIATKOWSKI Michal 2.1s Driedaagse van West-Vlaanderen, Prologue : Middelkerke I.T.T.
19/02/2012 VELITS Peter 2.HC Tour of Oman
18/02/2012 CIOLEK Gerald 2.1s Volta ao Algarve, Stage 4 : Vilamoura - Tavira
10/02/2012 BOONEN Tom 2.HC Tour of Qatar
8/02/2012 BOONEN Tom 2.HCs Tour of Qatar, Stage 4 : Al Thakhira - Madinat Al Shamal
6/02/2012 FENN Andrew 1.1 Trofeo Migjorn
5/02/2012 BOONEN Tom 2.HCs Tour of Qatar, Stage 1 : Barzan Towers - Doha Golf Club
5/02/2012 FENN Andrew 1.1 Trofeo Palma de Mallorca
29/01/2012 LEIPHEIMER Levi 2.1 Tour de San Luis
29/01/2012 BOONEN Tom 2.1s Tour de San Luis, Stage 7 : San Luis - San Luis
26/01/2012 LEIPHEIMER Levi 2.1s Tour de San Luis, Stage 4 : San Luis - San Luis I.T.T.
25/01/2012 LEIPHEIMER Levi 2.1s Tour de San Luis, Stage 3 : Estancia Grande - Mirador del Potrero
24/01/2012 CHICCHI Francesco 2.1s Tour de San Luis, Stage 2 : Fraga - Juana Koslay
23/01/2012 CHICCHI Francesco 2.1s Tour de San Luis, Stage 1 : San Luis - Villa Mercedes

Liquigas Victories

21/10/2012 BASSO Ivan 1.HC Japan Cup
9/10/2012 VIVIANI Elia 2.WTs Tour of Beijing, Stage 1 : Tian An Men Square - Bird’s Nest
8/09/2012 NIBALI Vincenzo 2.1 Giro di Padania
6/09/2012 NIBALI Vincenzo 2.1s Giro di Padania, Stage 4 : Lazzate - Passo della Bocchetta
16/07/2012 MOSER Moreno 2.WT Tour de Pologne
15/07/2012 MOSER Moreno 2.WTs Tour de Pologne, Stage 6 : Bukowina Tatrzanska - Bukowina Tatrzanska
10/07/2012 MOSER Moreno 2.WTs Tour de Pologne, Stage 1 : Karpacz - Jelenia Gora
6/07/2012 SAGAN Peter GT1s Tour de France, Stage 6 : Épernay - Metz
3/07/2012 SAGAN Peter GT1s Tour de France, Stage 3 : Orchies - Boulogne-sur-Mer
1/07/2012 SAGAN Peter GT1s Tour de France, Stage 1 : Liège (Bel) - Seraing (Bel)
24/06/2012 SAGAN Peter NC3 National Championships Slovakia (Puchov) R.R.
21/06/2012 BODNAR Maciej NCT3 National Championships Poland (Jedrzejow) I.T.T.
17/06/2012 KOREN Kristjan 2.1s Tour de Slovénie / Dirka po Sloveniji, Stage 4 : Ljubljana - Ljubljana I.T.T.
14/06/2012 SAGAN Peter 2.WTs Tour de Suisse, Stage 6 : Wittnau - Bischofszell
12/06/2012 SAGAN Peter 2.WTs Tour de Suisse, Stage 4 : Aarberg - Trimbach-Olten
11/06/2012 SAGAN Peter 2.WTs Tour de Suisse, Stage 3 : Martigny - Aarberg
9/06/2012 SAGAN Peter 2.WTs Tour de Suisse, Stage 1 : Lugano - Lugano I.T.T.
28/05/2012 DUGGAN Timothy NC2 National Championships United States (Greenville) R.R.
20/05/2012 SAGAN Peter 2.HCs Tour of California, Stage 8 : Beverly Hills - Los Angeles
16/05/2012 SAGAN Peter 2.HCs Tour of California, Stage 4 : Sonora - Clovis
15/05/2012 SAGAN Peter 2.HCs Tour of California, Stage 3 : San José - Livermore
14/05/2012 SAGAN Peter 2.HCs Tour of California, Stage 2 : San Francisco - Santa Cruz County
13/05/2012 SAGAN Peter 2.HCs Tour of California, Stage 1 : Santa Rosa
1/05/2012 MOSER Moreno 1.HC Rund um den Finanzplatz Eschborn-Frankfurt
27/03/2012 SAGAN Peter 2.HCs Driedaagse De Panne-Koksijde, Stage 1 : Middelkerke - Oudenaarde
21/03/2012 VIVIANI Elia 2.1s Settimana Coppi e Bartali, Stage 2a : Gatteo - Gatteo
13/03/2012 NIBALI Vincenzo 2.WT Tirreno - Adriatico
11/03/2012 NIBALI Vincenzo 2.WTs Tirreno - Adriatico, Stage 5 : Martinsicuro - Prati di Tivo
10/03/2012 SAGAN Peter 2.WTs Tirreno - Adriatico, Stage 4 : Amelia - Chieti
26/02/2012 CAPECCHI Eros 1.1 GP di Lugano
18/02/2012 NIBALI Vincenzo 2.HCs Tour of Oman, Stage 5 : Boshar - Jabal Al Akhdar (Green Mountain)
18/02/2012 MOSER Moreno 1.1 Trofeo Laigueglia
15/02/2012 SAGAN Peter 2.HCs Tour of Oman, Stage 2 : Sur - Wadi Dayqah Dam
12/02/2012 VIVIANI Elia 2.1 Giro della Provincia di Reggio Calabria
12/02/2012 VIVIANI Elia 2.1s Giro della Provincia di Reggio Calabria, Stage 2 : Lamezia Terme - Reggio di Calabria
11/02/2012 VIVIANI Elia 2.1s Giro della Provincia di Reggio Calabria, Stage 1 : Melito di Porto Salvo - Chiaravalle Centrale
4/02/2012 VIVIANI Elia 1.1 GP Costa degli Etruschi
28/01/2012 VIVIANI Elia 2.1s Tour de San Luis, Stage 6 : Lujan - Quines

 

[TheGame]

Greenedge Victories

30/09/2012 TUFT Svein 1.1 Duo Normand
DURBRIDGE Luke
10/09/2012 HOWARD Leigh 2.1s Tour of Britain, Stage 2 : Nottingham - Knowsley
7/09/2012 GERRANS Simon 1.WT2 GP de Québec
24/08/2012 DURBRIDGE Luke 2.1 Tour du Poitou Charentes
23/08/2012 DURBRIDGE Luke 2.1s Tour du Poitou Charentes, Stage 4 : La Roche Posay I.T.T.
22/08/2012 KRUOPIS Aidis 2.1s Tour du Poitou Charentes, Stage 2 : Royan - Melle
21/08/2012 KRUOPIS Aidis 2.1s Tour du Poitou Charentes, Stage 1 : Villeboid Lavalette - Royan
21/08/2012 CLARKE Simon GT2s Vuelta a España, Stage 4 : Baracaldo - Estación de Valdezcaray
11/08/2012 TUFT Svein 2.WTs Eneco Tour of Benelux, Stage 6 : Ardooie - Ardooie I.T.T.
7/08/2012 Orica - GreenEDGE 2.WTs Eneco Tour of Benelux, Stage 2 : Sittard - Sittard T.T.T.
13/07/2012 KRUOPIS Aidis 2.WTs Tour de Pologne, Stage 4 : Bedzin - Katowice
24/06/2012 TEKLEHAIMANOT GIRMAZION Daniel NC4 National Championships Eritrea (Asmara) R.R.
23/06/2012 TEKLEHAIMANOT GIRMAZION Daniel NCT4 National Championships Eritrea (Asmara) I.T.T.
21/06/2012 TUFT Svein NCT3 National Championships Canada (Lac-Mégantic) I.T.T.
16/06/2012 ALBASINI Michael 2.WTs Tour de Suisse, Stage 8 : Bischofszell - Arosa
15/06/2012 IMPEY Daryl 2.1s Tour de Slovénie / Dirka po Sloveniji, Stage 2 : Kocevje - Metlika
15/06/2012 TUFT Svein 2.2s Tour de Beauce, Stage 4 : St-Benoit I.T.T.
3/06/2012 DURBRIDGE Luke 2.WTs Critérium du Dauphiné, Prologue : Grenoble I.T.T.
18/05/2012 KRUOPIS Aidis 2.1s Tour of Norway, Stage 3 : Lillestrøm - Elverum
7/05/2012 GOSS Matthew GT2s Giro d'Italia, Stage 3 : Horsens - Horsens
6/04/2012 DURBRIDGE Luke 2.1 Circuit de la Sarthe - Pays de la Loire
4/04/2012 DURBRIDGE Luke 2.1s Circuit de la Sarthe - Pays de la Loire, Stage 3 : Angers I.T.T.
3/04/2012 IMPEY Daryl 2.WTs Vuelta al Pais Vasco, Stage 2 : Gueñes - Vitoria-Gasteiz
25/03/2012 ALBASINI Michael 2.WT Volta a Catalunya
20/03/2012 ALBASINI Michael 2.WTs Volta a Catalunya, Stage 2 : Girona - Girona
19/03/2012 ALBASINI Michael 2.WTs Volta a Catalunya, Stage 1 : Calella - Calella
17/03/2012 GERRANS Simon 1.WT1 Milano - Sanremo
7/03/2012 Orica - GreenEDGE 2.WTs Tirreno - Adriatico, Stage 1 : San Vincenzo - Donoratico T.T.T.
22/01/2012 GERRANS Simon 2.WT Tour Down Under
10/01/2012 DURBRIDGE Luke NCT2 National Championships Australia (Ballarat) I.T.T.
8/01/2012 GERRANS Simon NC2 National Championships Australia (Buninyong) R.R.

Clearly all are doping more than US Postal

 

[Dr. Maserati]

Again a post that says nothing, clarifies no point yet seeks me to do the running around. As I said I'm not doing that any more. Rather you prove a point by actually saying something real rather than attempting to further obfuscate.

It was in reply to your ramblings - you don't appear to have a point, so its impossible for me to clarify it.


So we can get this back on track (which is what I am sure you want)
I think Brailsford should consider his position - he put up a policy that failed.
Either it was PR that got caught out - or his policy failed because they did not put a thorough backround check in to his staff.

But as I feel its the former (PR) then I expect him to stay.

What are your thoughts on Brailsford?

 

[JimmyFingers]

It was in reply to your ramblings - you don't appear to have a point, so its impossible for me to clarify it.


So we can get this back on track (which is what I am sure you want)
I think Brailsford should consider his position - he put up a policy that failed.
Either it was PR that got caught out - or his policy failed because they did not put a thorough backround check in to his staff.

But as I feel its the former (PR) then I expect him to stay.

What are your thoughts on Brailsford?

Insinuation of ramblings is cute, as your point overall seems to be to have no point, yet ask others to justify theirs. I have already stated my thoughts on Brailsford and Sky policy.

 

[Benotti69]

Insinuation of ramblings is cute, as your point overall seems to be to have no point, yet ask others to justify theirs. I have already stated my thoughts on Brailsford and Sky policy.

That is all you do. It would appear cycling beyond Sky does not interest you. Why is that?

 

[Dr. Maserati]

Insinuation of ramblings is cute, as your point overall seems to be to have no point, yet ask others to justify theirs. I have already stated my thoughts on Brailsford and Sky policy.

The thread title is quite clear.
Below is your first post on this thread, and while going in to detail on supporting his decison (as well as a USPS reference) you at no time address what Brailsford himself should do.

I think Brailsford is doing the right thing, these people doped and have never been punished, it seems fitting that they are now. They were paid a wage as professional cyclists, they won prize money and earnt money through endorsements through cheating and they deceived the fans that cheered them on. They deserve their come-uppance.

Brailsford is also taking a huge risk axing members of Sky's inner-circle if you believe, as many do here, that doping is systematic at Sky in a US Postal model. It leaves Sky very open to whistle-blowers, not the policy you would think that a doping team would go down.

Just sayin'

For the sake of clarity - do you think Brailsford should reconsider his position within Sky, as the current PR disaster is his making.

 

[JimmyFingers]

The thread title is quite clear.
Below is your first post on this thread, and while going in to detail on supporting his decison (as well as a USPS reference) you at no time address what Brailsford himself should do.

For the sake of clarity - do you think Brailsford should reconsider his position within Sky, as the current PR disaster is his making.

To most it would appear self-evident, but just for you, no.

 

[Dr. Maserati]

To most it would appear self-evident, but just for you, no.

Given your posting history - I would have said yes, but I believe it only fair to ask you directly.

So, why should he not reconsider his position?
His mishandling of the situation has either allowed clean riders be exposed to people with doping histories
Or their hiring was deliberate and he did not care that they had a doping history.

 

[JimmyFingers]

Given your posting history - I would have said yes, but I believe it only fair to ask you directly.

So, why should he not reconsider his position?
His mishandling of the situation has either allowed clean riders be exposed to people with doping histories
Or their hiring was deliberate and he did not care that they had a doping history.

After enough prodding it seems you finally ask something of substance.

But still I don't think he should reconsider his position. For reasons I have already stated.

 

[Dr. Maserati]

After enough prodding it seems you finally ask something of substance.

But still I don't think he should reconsider his position. For reasons I have already stated.

I haven't seen those reasons - I have read why you think it was correct to take the (belated) course of action he did on getting rid of people.
But not to why Brailsford himself should avoid the cull.

If you have already answered, then link to it - if not would then why should Brailsford not reconsider his position?

 

[JimmyFingers]

I haven't seen those reasons - I have read why you think it was correct to take the (belated) course of action he did on getting rid of people.
But not to why Brailsford himself should avoid the cull.

If you have already answered, then link to it - if not would then why should Brailsford not reconsider his position?

I refer the honourable gentleman to the answer I gave some moments ago

 

[Dr. Maserati]

I refer the honourable gentleman to the answer I gave some moments ago

The honourable gentleman would prefer if you linked (or even copied & pasted) the answer.

"Moments" or any measurement of time are rather meaningless on a forum.

 

[JimmyFingers]

The honourable gentleman would prefer if you linked (or even copied & pasted) the answer.

"Moments" or any measurement of time are rather meaningless on a forum.

I suggest you search, read, attempt to understand and formulate a conclusion. As I said, I'll do no running around for you.

 

[Dr. Maserati]

I suggest you search, read, attempt to understand and formulate a conclusion. As I said, I'll do no running around for you.

Jimmy - you see, you're already running around.... but its in circles.

You can stop any time by showing where you answered the question - or by admitting that you did not answer the question.

 

[JimmyFingers]

Jimmy - you see, you're already running around.... but its in circles.

You can stop any time by showing where you answered the question - or by admitting that you did not answer the question.

I'll think I'll take the high road

 

[Dr. Maserati]

I'll think I'll take the high road

Hi Jimmy,
Hate to be the bearer of bad news, but High Road disbanded some time ago - they were a great team. I can certainly see why you might have had enough with the lies at Sky.
Toodles.

 

[Avoriaz]

Yep, but by his 2009-2011 standards, a relatively poor year.

Which just shows what a amazing talent he is in his (very limited) role.
Cav is second to none at bringing it home on flat stages.

2013 is going to be friggen huge for him with a whole leadout train at his beck and call again.

But the idea that he is part of some Sky-wide doping ring because of his 2012 results is laughable.

It's not a poor year and it isn't a great year. It's a bit of a curate's egg.

Cav came within a whisker of the points jersey in the Giro. He was very poor in MSR as he will admit. In spite of crashes and a GC weighted team he won three stages at the Tour.

The lack of Green jersey and Olympic medal will rankle, but I think he was over the moon with his first ever stage race GC victory in the Ster.

It's a shame the Sky experiment for him failed. He was Brailsford's original vision as lone leader whilst waiting for a potential Tour winner. Wiggins in 2009 changed all that - as did Mark doing another year at HTC.

Happy for him to have sole status with OPQS next season though