That's an incredible level of detail, dopeology. Chapeau! Passionate labour of love I'd say eh?Libertine Seguros said:I'm sure they'll correct me if I'm wrong, but I think Dopology is a labour of love for L'arriviste, not a paid job. Even if it is, it's a catalogue of doping cases for information purposes.
I mean, L'arriviste puts in multiple sources for something relatively minor league like Blaž Furdi of Tirol Cycling Team returning an amphetamine positive at an Austrian national calendar race.
Everyone has a ZTP - some are just more zero than others...cycladianpirate said:You've got to admire the way in which "zero tolerance to doping" can actually be interpreted.
Q: "Have you always had a zero tolerance stance against doping?"
A: "Of course. That is the very cornerstone of our approach to cycling"
Q: "Then why is it, only after years into their contracts with you, are you asking your staff about their doping history?"
A: "Obvious! We are now even more zero tolerant than we were when we hired them".
Simply Kidding You.
The playground defense holds little sway in my eyes, but perhaps that's just me and the justice departmentMellow Velo said:Seriously, every team boss has employed personnel with past crimes.
Nonsense and you know it. Evans got the same treatment last year (and rightly so considering the soigneur drama).Another "Lets go off the deep end over Sky and ignore everybody else" thread.
Nice handwaving again! Ignoring that pesky judicial ruling against Rabo's management team againJimmyFingers said:As far as I can see the case being made for Brailsford being fired, or held accountable for and standing down, is hiring staff with suspect histories, either through naivety or through duplicity. Duplicity in that he hired no-one with doping offences, so officially sticking to zero-tolerance, but at the same time hiring the best people for the job while ignoring possible infringements in the past.
Strawman again, you are really predictable Jimmy! The main accusation is of course the hyprocritical knowingly hiring of dodgy personel why hiding behind empty rethoric. And when caught out firing them all, while he hired them himself (and thus is ultimately responsible).So the main accusation is he lied.
Well, that felt like I was deflating a balloon.Snip sad blearye eyed story. Snip deflection. Snip playground defense.
Franklin said:The playground defense holds little sway in my eyes, but perhaps that's just me and the justice department
And yeah, everyone hiring a dodgy doctor should get fired. Note that Geert Chamois Cream Leinders was not just the medic, but part of a fraudulent management team.
Nonsense and you know it. Evans got the same treatment last year (and rightly so considering the soigneur drama).
There is a tendency to focus on the most blatant examples, but point out a GT winner who was cheered by the clinic. You can't. And that's the absolute logical and sane position. Faith is completely moronic and hurting cycling. Faith is fun for in church, not in the real world and in discusions. Thats where facts and statistics take precedence.
And the facts show Sky had a dirty structure (set up by DB) and that winners of GT's almost invariably are linked to doping scandals. Again, faith is out of place.
But that's precisely why people are taking the hardline view that Brailsford should step down if the policy is real.Mellow Velo said:Franklin: I'm not sure how your post relates to mine. I'm not entering the Sky into the Sky is dirty debate.
I stay out because I have too.
I'm questioning the rational behind this BD has to stand down.
If the policy is a PR fake, as everyone around here believes, then DB leaving would turn the fake into a genuine policy.
If he did resign, or was sacked, I think it would make the situation look even more dire - regardless of how it appears with the complicity or apparent deceit while he remains.Libertine Seguros said:They may feel that these breaches are serious enough that the only way Sky can regain credibility is for Brailsford to resign. I might not agree, but I can see how the opinion may have arisen.