British Doctor claims he doped 150 sports stars including Br

[Cake]

If you believe Private Eye - and you should - the Sunday Times is in a hell of a lot of trouble, financially and internally, and Rupe now cares much much more about his TV properties. It wouldn't be unexpected if the Sunday Times tried to exert the strength of its investigative journalism, which has recently been decimated by cuts, especially since a new (Rupe minion) editor is reportedly coming in.

What better way to show your independence from proprietorial influence than by blowing apart Team Sky - a prominent public face of the organisation, but an insignificant sacrificial lamb in the power structures of the world?

I agree with this 100%. A very well written post. Rupe is the only person in the Empire who still cares about newspapers & I don't doubt that if it was down to any outside exec, the papers (even the super soaraway Sun) would be sold off tomorrow. Ergo, the concept that the Sunday Times wouldn't attack another part of the empire, is false IMO.

 

[Cake]

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To be clear, I don't agree with the earlier poster who stated Murdoch controls British elections. Political scientists have carried out multiple studies on this hypothesis at every election, and they've found no significant influence from the Murdoch newspapers on the vote.

According to the book Stick it up your Punter, at the 1987 UK general election, 15% of Sun readers thought their paper supported Labour (despite articles like "Why I'm backing Kinnock by Stalin"). Since I read that, I've never believed any newspaper has had genuine influence on how people vote. Papers like to think they're influential but they aren't

 

[Night Rider]

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Not sure if already posted, but here is the English version
http://www.sportschau.de/doping/video-british-doctor-claims-he-doped-numerous-athletes-englische-version-100.html

"Cyclists who have already participated in the Tour the France. How one of them mastered the climbs of the Tour, that was unbelievable.."

If true, it can't be Cavendish, Millar, etc. It comes down to three subjects. Froome, Wiggins and Thomas. But he didn't say Tour the France winners so my guess would be G.

I wouldn't necessarily limit that quote of Bonar's just to British riders, in another part Brinded mentions other nationalities were referred to Bonar so it's possible that British in context of what Bonar says could really be Anglo-Saxon. That opens up a few more possibilities where we saw 'unbelievable' climbing gains.

Anyway, Sunday is the next release apparently so stay tuned.

 

[arthurvandelay]

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True. Lance with tea and crumpets, turns out, looks just like Lance with Texas barbecue. I will say this, though: the UK is better organized. In first placing British nationals in sporting oversight roles, they made sure they had their ducks in a row before their athletes were thrust into domination of world sport.[/quote]

Just spitballing here, from an American point of view. Do you think a lot of this (orchestrating and organizing British dominance in endurance sport) is a hangover from wanting to show the world that they had "arrived" with the London Olympics?

Carefully organized doping along with nonchalant anti-doping efforts could go a long way to helping a country perform well on the world stage IMHO. Just my two pence!

 

[Night Rider]

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The press cycle dictates that there will likely be more already written for next Sunday.

It will be interesting to see how far this goes, but I do think most of what he said is idle boasting, and many of his claims about "sportspeople" will be proven false.

Best case scenario he shops everyone to the authorities, in return for NOT being struck off.

He does deserve jail time though, for some of his none-doping stuff.

Really? That was your first reaction to the story based on the evidence so far?

 

[thehog]

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True. Lance with tea and crumpets, turns out, looks just like Lance with Texas barbecue. I will say this, though: the UK is better organized. In first placing British nationals in sporting oversight roles, they made sure they had their ducks in a row before their athletes were thrust into domination of world sport.

Just spitballing here, from an American point of view. Do you think a lot of this (orchestrating and organizing British dominance in endurance sport) is a hangover from wanting to show the world that they had "arrived" with the London Olympics?

Carefully organized doping along with nonchalant anti-doping efforts could go a long way to helping a country perform well on the world stage IMHO. Just my two pence!

Considering Coe & Cookson's campaigns were funded by British Sport it's not to hard to draw a link.

Whilst slightly unrelated, reading the updates on the Panarma Papers, it's good to see the UK heading the medals table on tax avoidance!

 

[Cannibal72]

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To be clear, I don't agree with the earlier poster who stated Murdoch controls British elections. Political scientists have carried out multiple studies on this hypothesis at every election, and they've found no significant influence from the Murdoch newspapers on the vote.

According to the book Stick it up your Punter, at the 1987 UK general election, 15% of Sun readers thought their paper supported Labour (despite articles like "Why I'm backing Kinnock by Stalin"). Since I read that, I've never believed any newspaper has had genuine influence on how people vote. Papers like to think they're influential but they aren't

They certainly came up with some pretty memorable headlines - the last person to leave Britain, and so on - but I think the papers are led by public opinion much more than public opinion is formed by the papers.

 

[Cannibal72]

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True. Lance with tea and crumpets, turns out, looks just like Lance with Texas barbecue. I will say this, though: the UK is better organized. In first placing British nationals in sporting oversight roles, they made sure they had their ducks in a row before their athletes were thrust into domination of world sport.

Just spitballing here, from an American point of view. Do you think a lot of this (orchestrating and organizing British dominance in endurance sport) is a hangover from wanting to show the world that they had "arrived" with the London Olympics?

Carefully organized doping along with nonchalant anti-doping efforts could go a long way to helping a country perform well on the world stage IMHO. Just my two pence!

Considering Coe & Cookson's campaigns were funded by British Sport it's not to hard to draw a link.

Whilst slightly unrelated, reading the updates on the Panarma Papers, it's good to see the UK heading the medals table on tax avoidance!

But David Cameron made a beautiful speech about ruthlessly cracking down on tax havens! The fact that the Isle of Man, Bermuda, the British Virgin Islands, the Caymans and the Channel Islands are all actually British is presumably irrelevant...

 

[keeponrollin]

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No one would touch Leinders with a bargepole....oh wait.....

Its rather good point. Seemingly we are meant to believe Leinders was hired to treat saddle sores but Dr. Bonar’s claims should not be trusted

UKAD were right on top of that case, too, weren't they.

UKAD are busy testing Russian athletes and declaring all the UK athletes training in Kenya as cleans.

Pffff. Come on Hog & get with the Program ...

Kenya is so last year. The IAAF has decided that Kenya isn't a fit & proper place for clean athletes to train, so the clean athletes have moved onto Ethiopia to continue their training at altitude ....

...

Ah, excrement ... does anyone know a nice warm spot where one can train without the unwelcome interference of doping control ???

 

[Maxiton]

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funny to see the usual sky defenders on here and elsewhere doing all they can to discredit the doctor - wonder why...

Since 2012 the catch cry was “there's no evidence”; since that time athletics, cycling, UKAD, WADA have all been found to be seriously lacking in anti-doping measures - all overseen by British administrators. When a Doping Doctor working in London caught on tape its; “can’t be trusted, dubious claims, cannot be believed, bitter ex-doper”.

Its Lance all over again.

True. Lance with tea and crumpets, turns out, looks just like Lance with Texas barbecue. I will say this, though: the UK is better organized. In first placing British nationals in sporting oversight roles, they made sure they had their ducks in a row before their athletes were thrust into domination of world sport.

Just spitballing here, from an American point of view. Do you think a lot of this (orchestrating and organizing British dominance in endurance sport) is a hangover from wanting to show the world that they had "arrived" with the London Olympics?

Carefully organized doping along with nonchalant anti-doping efforts could go a long way to helping a country perform well on the world stage IMHO. Just my two pence!

I don't think it's a hangover, necessarily, more like part and parcel of the effort. When you consider the money and exertion expended by countries on international sport it becomes apparent that success in sport is regarded by national leaders as significant influence. In modern times this goes all the way back to the 1936 Berlin Olympics, at least. Why do they attach so much importance to it? I really don't know.

You'd think excelling in arts and sciences would be far more important and prestigious, that they'd put all their money and PEDs there. But maybe national leaders and business people are just that superficial. That might be all the explanation required.

 

[Cannibal72]

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funny to see the usual sky defenders on here and elsewhere doing all they can to discredit the doctor - wonder why...

Since 2012 the catch cry was “there's no evidence”; since that time athletics, cycling, UKAD, WADA have all been found to be seriously lacking in anti-doping measures - all overseen by British administrators. When a Doping Doctor working in London caught on tape its; “can’t be trusted, dubious claims, cannot be believed, bitter ex-doper”.

Its Lance all over again.

True. Lance with tea and crumpets, turns out, looks just like Lance with Texas barbecue. I will say this, though: the UK is better organized. In first placing British nationals in sporting oversight roles, they made sure they had their ducks in a row before their athletes were thrust into domination of world sport.

Just spitballing here, from an American point of view. Do you think a lot of this (orchestrating and organizing British dominance in endurance sport) is a hangover from wanting to show the world that they had "arrived" with the London Olympics?

Carefully organized doping along with nonchalant anti-doping efforts could go a long way to helping a country perform well on the world stage IMHO. Just my two pence!

I don't think it's a hangover, necessarily, more like part and parcel of the effort. When you consider the money and exertion expended by countries on international sport it becomes apparent that success in sport is regarded by national leaders as significant influence. In modern times this goes all the way back to the 1936 Berlin Olympics, at least. Why do they attach so much importance to it? I really don't know.

You'd think excelling in arts and sciences would be far more important and prestigious, that they'd put all their money and PEDs there. But maybe national leaders and business people are just that superficial. That might be all the explanation required.

One could indulge in some cod Freudianism about sport being a demonstration of masculinity/virility, and a substitute for war in showing your prowess in that area.

 

[Maxiton]

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Since 2012 the catch cry was “there's no evidence”; since that time athletics, cycling, UKAD, WADA have all been found to be seriously lacking in anti-doping measures - all overseen by British administrators. When a Doping Doctor working in London caught on tape its; “can’t be trusted, dubious claims, cannot be believed, bitter ex-doper”.

Its Lance all over again.

True. Lance with tea and crumpets, turns out, looks just like Lance with Texas barbecue. I will say this, though: the UK is better organized. In first placing British nationals in sporting oversight roles, they made sure they had their ducks in a row before their athletes were thrust into domination of world sport.

Just spitballing here, from an American point of view. Do you think a lot of this (orchestrating and organizing British dominance in endurance sport) is a hangover from wanting to show the world that they had "arrived" with the London Olympics?

Carefully organized doping along with nonchalant anti-doping efforts could go a long way to helping a country perform well on the world stage IMHO. Just my two pence!

I don't think it's a hangover, necessarily, more like part and parcel of the effort. When you consider the money and exertion expended by countries on international sport it becomes apparent that success in sport is regarded by national leaders as significant influence. In modern times this goes all the way back to the 1936 Berlin Olympics, at least. Why do they attach so much importance to it? I really don't know.

You'd think excelling in arts and sciences would be far more important and prestigious, that they'd put all their money and PEDs there. But maybe national leaders and business people are just that superficial. That might be all the explanation required.

One could indulge in some cod Freudianism about sport being a demonstration of masculinity/virility, and a substitute for war in showing your prowess in that area.

Right. Or as over-compensation for perceived inadequacies, more like. Although maybe they are harking back to 1936 Berlin, and it's a prelude to war.

 

[thehog]

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True. Lance with tea and crumpets, turns out, looks just like Lance with Texas barbecue. I will say this, though: the UK is better organized. In first placing British nationals in sporting oversight roles, they made sure they had their ducks in a row before their athletes were thrust into domination of world sport.

Just spitballing here, from an American point of view. Do you think a lot of this (orchestrating and organizing British dominance in endurance sport) is a hangover from wanting to show the world that they had "arrived" with the London Olympics?

Carefully organized doping along with nonchalant anti-doping efforts could go a long way to helping a country perform well on the world stage IMHO. Just my two pence!

Considering Coe & Cookson's campaigns were funded by British Sport it's not to hard to draw a link.

Whilst slightly unrelated, reading the updates on the Panarma Papers, it's good to see the UK heading the medals table on tax avoidance!

But David Cameron made a beautiful speech about ruthlessly cracking down on tax havens! The fact that the Isle of Man, Bermuda, the British Virgin Islands, the Caymans and the Channel Islands are all actually British is presumably irrelevant...

Need to get Coe, Cookson and Cameron (CCC) into a room and see who can out spin each other

Crackdowns on tax havens / anti-doping, SSDD.

 

[Cannibal72]

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True. Lance with tea and crumpets, turns out, looks just like Lance with Texas barbecue. I will say this, though: the UK is better organized. In first placing British nationals in sporting oversight roles, they made sure they had their ducks in a row before their athletes were thrust into domination of world sport.

Just spitballing here, from an American point of view. Do you think a lot of this (orchestrating and organizing British dominance in endurance sport) is a hangover from wanting to show the world that they had "arrived" with the London Olympics?

Carefully organized doping along with nonchalant anti-doping efforts could go a long way to helping a country perform well on the world stage IMHO. Just my two pence!

I don't think it's a hangover, necessarily, more like part and parcel of the effort. When you consider the money and exertion expended by countries on international sport it becomes apparent that success in sport is regarded by national leaders as significant influence. In modern times this goes all the way back to the 1936 Berlin Olympics, at least. Why do they attach so much importance to it? I really don't know.

You'd think excelling in arts and sciences would be far more important and prestigious, that they'd put all their money and PEDs there. But maybe national leaders and business people are just that superficial. That might be all the explanation required.

One could indulge in some cod Freudianism about sport being a demonstration of masculinity/virility, and a substitute for war in showing your prowess in that area.

Right. Or as over-compensation for perceived inadequacies, more like. Although maybe they are harking back to 1936 Berlin, and it's a prelude to war.

Perceived inadequacies a particularly interesting term with regard to my dear Britain, a nation with delusions of grandeur which has not yet come to terms with the fact it has lost an empire and is now a global irrelevance. I don't think there's been a surge of patriotism recently to compare remotely with the 2012 Olympics, that finally ended decades of sporting (and existential, to be honest) failure. The Anglo-Australian oedipal death struggle remains the most curious and interesting rivalry in sports, I suggest.

(incidentally, the Olympic Stadium in Berlin is one of the most uncanny places I've ever been. On the one hand, it's a fully functioning and modernised sports stadium; equally, it's a monument of fascist architecture. Given the rest of Berlin's eagerness to confront its own past, the dichotomy at the Stadium is quite bizarre.)

 

[Maxiton]

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Perceived inadequacies a particularly interesting term with regard to my dear Britain, a nation with delusions of grandeur which has not yet come to terms with the fact it has lost an empire and is now a global irrelevance. I don't think there's been a surge of patriotism recently to compare remotely with the 2012 Olympics, that finally ended decades of sporting (and existential, to be honest) failure. The Anglo-Australian oedipal death struggle remains the most curious and interesting rivalry in sports, I suggest.

(incidentally, the Olympic Stadium in Berlin is one of the most uncanny places I've ever been. On the one hand, it's a fully functioning and modernised sports stadium; equally, it's a monument of fascist architecture. Given the rest of Berlin's eagerness to confront its own past, the dichotomy at the Stadium is quite bizarre.)

The Anglo-Australian love-hate thing is endlessly entertaining. "Pommie bastards."

The Olympic stadium in Berlin sounds fascinating. Like they couldn't bear to give up the essential thing, or the essence, maybe. I'd like to see it.

 

[Cannibal72]

The great thing about Anglo-Australian rivalries (especially cricket) is the element of class there is in it. The aristocratic English versus the working-class Aussies. And of course sport and success in it is arguably more central to Australia's identity than to any other country in history.

The Olympic Stadium is fascinating, and you definitely get the feeling of not wanting to give it up. The underground station is dilapidated, the walk up to it is bleak, within a couple of hundred metres of the stadium is a disused and drained swimming pool - but the stadium itself is a shining monumental monolith; Speer sucked as an architect, but the design is so austere and yet so grandiose it certainly gets its point across. The other thing is the stadium's total lack of memorial or commentary on 1936; there's still a large plaque recording the winners, but that's the only mention of, say, Jesse Owens in the whole stadium.

 

[Maxiton]

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The great thing about Anglo-Australian rivalries (especially cricket) is the element of class there is in it. The aristocratic English versus the working-class Aussies. And of course sport and success in it is arguably more central to Australia's identity than to any other country in history.

The Olympic Stadium is fascinating, and you definitely get the feeling of not wanting to give it up. The underground station is dilapidated, the walk up to it is bleak, within a couple of hundred metres of the stadium is a disused and drained swimming pool - but the stadium itself is a shining monumental monolith; Speer sucked as an architect, but the design is so austere and yet so grandiose it certainly gets its point across. The other thing is the stadium's total lack of memorial or commentary on 1936; there's still a large plaque recording the winners, but that's the only mention of, say, Jesse Owens in the whole stadium.

The class thing in Australia is interesting. I spent a few months there about fifteen years ago, and at the time, anyway, it was far more egalitarian than the US. It was really refreshing. I hear that maybe has changed, though.

Next time I'm in Germany I'm heading straight for the stadium.

 

[Cannibal72]

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The great thing about Anglo-Australian rivalries (especially cricket) is the element of class there is in it. The aristocratic English versus the working-class Aussies. And of course sport and success in it is arguably more central to Australia's identity than to any other country in history.

The Olympic Stadium is fascinating, and you definitely get the feeling of not wanting to give it up. The underground station is dilapidated, the walk up to it is bleak, within a couple of hundred metres of the stadium is a disused and drained swimming pool - but the stadium itself is a shining monumental monolith; Speer sucked as an architect, but the design is so austere and yet so grandiose it certainly gets its point across. The other thing is the stadium's total lack of memorial or commentary on 1936; there's still a large plaque recording the winners, but that's the only mention of, say, Jesse Owens in the whole stadium.

The class thing in Australia is interesting. I spent a few months there about fifteen years ago, and at the time, anyway, it was far more egalitarian than the US. It was really refreshing. I hear that maybe has changed, though.

Next time I'm in Germany I'm heading straight for the stadium.

Speaking from a UK perspective, it's precisely that egalitarianism that makes Australia so strange; after all, cricket is an upper-class sport! My impression is that a lot of each country's inferiorities (Australia's cultural cringe, as a result of dominance by English elite; UK failure, decay) come out from the rivalry.

 

[thehog]

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True. Lance with tea and crumpets, turns out, looks just like Lance with Texas barbecue. I will say this, though: the UK is better organized. In first placing British nationals in sporting oversight roles, they made sure they had their ducks in a row before their athletes were thrust into domination of world sport.

Just spitballing here, from an American point of view. Do you think a lot of this (orchestrating and organizing British dominance in endurance sport) is a hangover from wanting to show the world that they had "arrived" with the London Olympics?

Carefully organized doping along with nonchalant anti-doping efforts could go a long way to helping a country perform well on the world stage IMHO. Just my two pence!

Considering Coe & Cookson's campaigns were funded by British Sport it's not to hard to draw a link.

Whilst slightly unrelated, reading the updates on the Panarma Papers, it's good to see the UK heading the medals table on tax avoidance!

But David Cameron made a beautiful speech about ruthlessly cracking down on tax havens! The fact that the Isle of Man, Bermuda, the British Virgin Islands, the Caymans and the Channel Islands are all actually British is presumably irrelevant...

Zero tolerance policy on tax heavens?

 

[blackcat]

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The great thing about Anglo-Australian rivalries (especially cricket) is the element of class there is in it. The aristocratic English versus the working-class Aussies. And of course sport and success in it is arguably more central to Australia's identity than to any other country in history.

The Olympic Stadium is fascinating, and you definitely get the feeling of not wanting to give it up. The underground station is dilapidated, the walk up to it is bleak, within a couple of hundred metres of the stadium is a disused and drained swimming pool - but the stadium itself is a shining monumental monolith; Speer sucked as an architect, but the design is so austere and yet so grandiose it certainly gets its point across. The other thing is the stadium's total lack of memorial or commentary on 1936; there's still a large plaque recording the winners, but that's the only mention of, say, Jesse Owens in the whole stadium.

The class thing in Australia is interesting. I spent a few months there about fifteen years ago, and at the time, anyway, it was far more egalitarian than the US. It was really refreshing. I hear that maybe has changed, though.

Next time I'm in Germany I'm heading straight for the stadium.

Speaking from a UK perspective, it's precisely that egalitarianism that makes Australia so strange; after all, cricket is an upper-class sport! My impression is that a lot of each country's inferiorities (Australia's cultural cringe, as a result of dominance by English elite; UK failure, decay) come out from the rivalry.

True. Lance with tea and crumpets, turns out, looks just like Lance with Texas barbecue. I will say this, though: the UK is better organized. In first placing British nationals in sporting oversight roles, they made sure they had their ducks in a row before their athletes were thrust into domination of world sport.

Just spitballing here, from an American point of view. Do you think a lot of this (orchestrating and organizing British dominance in endurance sport) is a hangover from wanting to show the world that they had "arrived" with the London Olympics?

Carefully organized doping along with nonchalant anti-doping efforts could go a long way to helping a country perform well on the world stage IMHO. Just my two pence!

arthur, a post up this thread with acuity,

Since the muscular christians and chariots of fire can no longer compete in their sport, soccer fudbol football fodbol,

They have resorted to cherry-picking medals somewhere each Olympiad, and the easiest is not cycling.

As long as Bartko and his ilk retired from the track with teammates in the 2000s, and the legacy of the sports system centralised schooling in the East, their talented riders all drifted to Western Europe and the tarmac, lime, hotpour, asphalt and road.

Apart from the Australians, and whoever seems to hire Heiko Salzwedal, no one will compete on the track without the resources and infrastructure. Brailsford was right to see the ripe opportunity about 25 years back.

They are very shallow Olympic medal events, and where an advanced #FirstWorld economy can mobilise their resources to have a significant success rate.

 

[Maxiton]

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True. Lance with tea and crumpets, turns out, looks just like Lance with Texas barbecue. I will say this, though: the UK is better organized. In first placing British nationals in sporting oversight roles, they made sure they had their ducks in a row before their athletes were thrust into domination of world sport.

Just spitballing here, from an American point of view. Do you think a lot of this (orchestrating and organizing British dominance in endurance sport) is a hangover from wanting to show the world that they had "arrived" with the London Olympics?

Carefully organized doping along with nonchalant anti-doping efforts could go a long way to helping a country perform well on the world stage IMHO. Just my two pence!

arthur, a post up this thread with acuity,

Since the muscular christians and chariots of fire can no longer compete in their sport, soccer fudbol football fodbol,

They have resorted to cherry-picking medals somewhere each Olympiad, and the easiest is not cycling.

As long as Bartko and his ilk retired from the track with teammates in the 2000s, and the legacy of the sports system centralised schooling in the East, their talented riders all drifted to Western Europe and the tarmac, lime, hotpour, asphalt and road.

Apart from the Australians, and whoever seems to hire Heiko Salzwedal, no one will compete on the track without the resources and infrastructure. Brailsford was right to see the ripe opportunity about 25 years back.

They are very shallow Olympic medal events, and where an advanced #FirstWorld economy can mobilise their resources to have a significant success rate.

 

[blackcat]

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The great thing about Anglo-Australian rivalries (especially cricket) is the element of class there is in it. The aristocratic English versus the working-class Aussies. And of course sport and success in it is arguably more central to Australia's identity than to any other country in history.

The Olympic Stadium is fascinating, and you definitely get the feeling of not wanting to give it up. The underground station is dilapidated, the walk up to it is bleak, within a couple of hundred metres of the stadium is a disused and drained swimming pool - but the stadium itself is a shining monumental monolith; Speer sucked as an architect, but the design is so austere and yet so grandiose it certainly gets its point across. The other thing is the stadium's total lack of memorial or commentary on 1936; there's still a large plaque recording the winners, but that's the only mention of, say, Jesse Owens in the whole stadium.

The class thing in Australia is interesting. I spent a few months there about fifteen years ago, and at the time, anyway, it was far more egalitarian than the US. It was really refreshing. I hear that maybe has changed, though.

Next time I'm in Germany I'm heading straight for the stadium.

Speaking from a UK perspective, it's precisely that egalitarianism that makes Australia so strange; after all, cricket is an upper-class sport! My impression is that a lot of each country's inferiorities (Australia's cultural cringe, as a result of dominance by English elite; UK failure, decay) come out from the rivalry.

we produce all our sporting champions now days, from a lower middle-class background, where the father is like Mary Pierce'father, Jim Pierce, or Steffi's dad, or Richard Williams, or Tiger's dad. From bad sport's parent central casting.

we have a few tennis players who are from working class stock, like Sugar Pova. drive cabs. push kids. We see the kids who are champs. not the kids who are broken and chumps. It is a survivor fallacy, selective sample. We dont see the lost.

Now if u ask Australians, regular moms and dads, they would talk about John Tomic (Bernard Tomic's pere) and Damir Dokic (Jelana's pere), but this is just a racial lens for recent migrants. Actually, Hewitt's father was worse, and Rafter's family enabled him, and dont think he did not dope neither (double negative intentional)... Bermuda? tax haven?

Hewitt's father Glynn could be up there with the others like Mary Pierce's old man. "Mary, kill the b!tch!"

http://www.foxsports.com.au/tennis/we-list-the-five-worst-fathers-in-the-history-of-tennis-in-wake-of-john-tomics-alleged-assault/story-e6frf4mu-1226636268674

http://www.theaustralian.com.au/sport/we-list-the-five-worst-fathers-in-the-history-of-tennis-in-wake-of-john-tomics-alleged-assault/story-fncagcd8-1226636268674

Australians are simple folk.

If there were no sport, they would be living in caves

 

[blackcat]

Max, think I edited some correction, still does not read well, alas, grammar was never my forte but wildean drollery was my schwing[phonetics]

 

[buckle]

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True. Lance with tea and crumpets, turns out, looks just like Lance with Texas barbecue. I will say this, though: the UK is better organized. In first placing British nationals in sporting oversight roles, they made sure they had their ducks in a row before their athletes were thrust into domination of world sport.

Just spitballing here, from an American point of view. Do you think a lot of this (orchestrating and organizing British dominance in endurance sport) is a hangover from wanting to show the world that they had "arrived" with the London Olympics?

Carefully organized doping along with nonchalant anti-doping efforts could go a long way to helping a country perform well on the world stage IMHO. Just my two pence!

Considering Coe & Cookson's campaigns were funded by British Sport it's not to hard to draw a link.

Whilst slightly unrelated, reading the updates on the Panarma Papers, it's good to see the UK heading the medals table on tax avoidance!

But David Cameron made a beautiful speech about ruthlessly cracking down on tax havens! The fact that the Isle of Man, Bermuda, the British Virgin Islands, the Caymans and the Channel Islands are all actually British is presumably irrelevant...

The gains in Panama are not marginal though ...

 

[Robert21]

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When you consider the money and exertion expended by countries on international sport it becomes apparent that success in sport is regarded by national leaders as significant influence. In modern times this goes all the way back to the 1936 Berlin Olympics, at least. Why do they attach so much importance to it? I really don't know.

Simple. 'Bread and circuses'.

A rather good article on this topic here:

The ‘Team G-B’ chant will make the faces of the world frown in unison - as the hateful ‘U-S-A’ rallying call has for years. You can pump it up as a proud resurgence of national identity or dismiss it as faux militarism or plastic fascism, but it is a real phenomenon and woe betide those involved when the medal count drops. The powers that be much prefer a populace that is wrapped in the flag rather than burning it. If it takes Mo Farah Saturday nights to achieve this, then so be it.

http://sabotagetimes.com/football/team-gb-are-the-new-east-germany