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rick james said:
there you go again believing all the people that voted Brexit are stupid....
Well, Rick, your contribution to this discussion so far hasn't really convinced me that Brexit voters are in fact by and large informed, rational and intelligent people.

Doesn’t really matter how I come across on a liberal left wing nut job thread on a bloody cycling forum....


I sleep easy at night knowing that all us uneducated stupid people voted right to rid ourselves of the EU crackpots.
 
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macbindle said:
Rick has succumbed to emotive arguments, rather than taking the time to understand longer, detailed fact-based arguments.

That is why things like "Take back control" are so effective. A simple concept that triggers emotions and requires no understanding of details. It requires little intelligence to understand it, whereas to understand the complexities of the interrelationships between EU countries requires work and the ability to understand detail.

This is why your average ranty Brexiteer thought that leaving was a simple process, that could be done with a flick of a switch. They dont understand what has been happening in parliament and why, and now they are back on our tellies shouting and screaming about betrayal. Not one of them realises how easily they have been manipulated by the elite political class (eg Rees Mogg and Farage)

Brexit is happening, a no deal looks more than likely, bet that's killing you, the British people will take control back
It probably is killing them to see the British people are taking control. Just look at the amount of time spent on crying over it, you would think the second time they would take the hint.
Oh, you can’t go using soundbites like “taking control back” it’s stuff like that that made the stupid uneducated people vote brexit
 
It's a shame you cant present a lucid, well-presented and valid argument. Your posts are all very short....befitting of trite platitudes like "take back control" but the complexities of Brexit need something a little more expansive.
 

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rick james said:
I don’t need present any argument, I’ve got what I wanted
What did you want, that you have got? Because we haven't left yet.
If what you wanted was to come across as a reactionary dummy, then yes, you have got what you wanted.
 
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Didn’t realise it was only the far left, socialist injustice, liberal nuts that were allowed to post on here
You're posting, so that's not really true. There have been a few right leaning people who post/posted here, there still are some, and as long as they post within the rules (which can be a bit lax in here due to the nature of the discussions) they are welcome to post.

The demographic you are likely to encounter on a cycling forum is probably going to be more left leaning (although anyone who defines themselves as a centrist is likely to be fiscally conservative) due to the people cycling attracts within the expected age brackets of online posters. Certainly the clubs I ride with have more left leaning young people and the more right leaning people tend to be older.

As for socialist injustice, I think it's important to recognise that a huge part of every functioning society is based on socialist principles and arose due to socialist endeavours:

Publicly funded police, fire departments, infrastructure and its maintenance, housing, utilities and transport are all socialist principles. Simple things like turning on a tap and getting free (part of tax), clean drinking water exist because of socialism. For profit fire departments have been tried and they don't work well (for obvious reasons). Free education is fundamental to attempting to create a fairer society and is another socialist endeavour.

The NHS is social healthcare. Taking something as simple as giving birth as an example. The cost to give birth in the USA, even if you have insurance, is ~$5000-10000, depending on where you live. if you require a C-section you can chuck another $2500-4000 on top of that. If you don't have insurance you pretty much double those costs. This results in the poorest people in society being saddled with huge debts they can't pay. It's insanely unfair compared to social healthcare.

Socialism is pretty much the opposite of injustice. As an economic theory it advocates for a fair reward for your labour and politically that the community controls this and determines how best it is used. Capitalism does not and cannot. The fundamental principle of capitalism is that your labour is undervalued and the difference is kept as profit by private owners. Under Capitalism, as a worker, you are never paid a "fair" wage and never can be.
 
The simple reality is that there are 3 options on the table

1) The current negotiated deal in its entirety
2) A "no deal" Brexit
3) revoke article 50

Everything else by these "leadership" candidates is posturing that doesn't change that reality.
 
Catwhoorg said:
The simple reality is that there are 3 options on the table

1) The current negotiated deal in its entirety
2) A "no deal" Brexit
3) revoke article 50

Everything else by these "leadership" candidates is posturing that doesn't change that reality.

I dont think they are looking to manage Brexit. They are looking to manage a general election
 
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