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rick james said:
its why I want a no deal Brexit, why should they get £39 BILLION from us??
Before we left the EU, we signed on to a load of long term projects and agreements on various things, some of which we've started paying for already. The EU has budgeted in a way which included our money (which we had agreed to give formally), so it's just simply fulfilling our economic commitments. The money is paid over something like 45 years, so it's effectively less than a billion a year which really is nothing for a government. As even Dominic Raab pointed out, the UK will still have to pay a lot, although probably not all, of the bill in case of a no deal brexit, so it's a really dumb reason to support a no deal brexit.

ps, the figure was created by british civil servants, not eu ones, if that helps change your mind on its necessity
 
Rick has succumbed to emotive arguments, rather than taking the time to understand longer, detailed fact-based arguments.

That is why things like "Take back control" are so effective. A simple concept that triggers emotions and requires no understanding of details. It requires little intelligence to understand it, whereas to understand the complexities of the interrelationships between EU countries requires work and the ability to understand detail.

This is why your average ranty Brexiteer thought that leaving was a simple process, that could be done with a flick of a switch. They dont understand what has been happening in parliament and why, and now they are back on our tellies shouting and screaming about betrayal. Not one of them realises how easily they have been manipulated by the elite political class (eg Rees Mogg and Farage)
 
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rick james said:
there you go again believing all the people that voted Brexit are stupid....
But I've explained to you why we have to pay the settlement, why it's not a big deal and that even with a no deal brexit we'll be paying for most of that - have you changed your mind on wanting a no deal brexit, or at least changed your reasoning behind it?
 
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macbindle said:
Rick has succumbed to emotive arguments, rather than taking the time to understand longer, detailed fact-based arguments.

That is why things like "Take back control" are so effective. A simple concept that triggers emotions and requires no understanding of details. It requires little intelligence to understand it, whereas to understand the complexities of the interrelationships between EU countries requires work and the ability to understand detail.

This is why your average ranty Brexiteer thought that leaving was a simple process, that could be done with a flick of a switch. They dont understand what has been happening in parliament and why, and now they are back on our tellies shouting and screaming about betrayal. Not one of them realises how easily they have been manipulated by the elite political class (eg Rees Mogg and Farage)

Brexit is happening, a no deal looks more than likely, bet that's killing you, the British people will take control back
 
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rick james said:
there you go again believing all the people that voted Brexit are stupid....
But I've explained to you why we have to pay the settlement, why it's not a big deal and that even with a no deal brexit we'll be paying for most of that - have you changed your mind on wanting a no deal brexit, or at least changed your reasoning behind it?
it wasn't aimed at you
 
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rick james said:
there you go again believing all the people that voted Brexit are stupid....
Some people are stupid, Rick. Try proving that isnt true.

If you want to analyse the correlation between voting patterns and intelligence you might not like the results ;)

I haven't seen any attempt to do this, probably due to the lack of data on IQ levels, but I have seen analysis of educational attainment and voting patterns and there is a clear correlation between voting Leave and lower educational attainment.

Clearly there may be other factors at play, age and availability of higher education being one of them (age demographic of leave voters was high (old) and this age group did not have the same access to higher education as the under 40s)
 
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macbindle said:
Rick has succumbed to emotive arguments, rather than taking the time to understand longer, detailed fact-based arguments.

That is why things like "Take back control" are so effective. A simple concept that triggers emotions and requires no understanding of details. It requires little intelligence to understand it, whereas to understand the complexities of the interrelationships between EU countries requires work and the ability to understand detail.

This is why your average ranty Brexiteer thought that leaving was a simple process, that could be done with a flick of a switch. They dont understand what has been happening in parliament and why, and now they are back on our tellies shouting and screaming about betrayal. Not one of them realises how easily they have been manipulated by the elite political class (eg Rees Mogg and Farage)

Brexit is happening, a no deal looks more than likely, bet that's killing you, the British people will take control back
If this happens Britain will remove itself from trade decisions that are made collectively, with Britain being one of the three top dogs in the decision making process.

It will have to follow WTO rules of which it has no control and will play no part in making.

So what were you saying about taking back control?

You need to move away from vapid soundbites and do some learning, thinking and analysis. But you wont will you? You'll just continue to be taken in by Farage's emotion based nonsense.

Will it kill me? No. I am relatively wealthy and highly educated (three university qualifications, one degree, two post grad), no debts, no mortgage, and many thousands in the bank. I am not exposed. It will be the poorest who will suffer, in exactly the same way they are the ones suffering for the unpaid gambling debts of the bankers in 2008.

Of course, by then, Farage will have scarpered.

The MPs all understand this because they are not stupid people. They understand legislation and trade. They know a Brexit that makes us better off is a fantasy. They know it will make the country poorer.

Nobody voted to be poorer.

So, Rick, explain to me which problems in the lives of the British will be solved by exiting the EU...
 
What gets to me? Your inability to think?

Doesn't get to me at all. Its not your fault.

But it is illustrative of how the ill thought out and poorly executed referendum has led us to where we are now.
 
Clutching at straws about a second referendum....it’s the only hope some have left


I’m sure the uneducated stupid people will still vote the same way, just because you see the EU as all rainbows and unicorns doesn’t mean everybody else should
 
Maybe not, but they need to explain their grievances in something other than trite soundbites like "take back control", or "£350 million for the NHS".

As it stands, if the was a second referendum, remain would win, because people who didnt vote the first time would mobilise, many have changed their minds, and many who voted Leave as a protest vote (against what??) thinking that leave would never win would not make the same mistake again.

And that is the thing about democracy...its not a once only event. People get to change their minds, which is why when it comes to the next general election my voting pattern will probably change for the first time in decades.
 

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rick james said:
macbindle said:
Rick has succumbed to emotive arguments, rather than taking the time to understand longer, detailed fact-based arguments.

That is why things like "Take back control" are so effective. A simple concept that triggers emotions and requires no understanding of details. It requires little intelligence to understand it, whereas to understand the complexities of the interrelationships between EU countries requires work and the ability to understand detail.

This is why your average ranty Brexiteer thought that leaving was a simple process, that could be done with a flick of a switch. They dont understand what has been happening in parliament and why, and now they are back on our tellies shouting and screaming about betrayal. Not one of them realises how easily they have been manipulated by the elite political class (eg Rees Mogg and Farage)

Brexit is happening, a no deal looks more than likely, bet that's killing you, the British people will take control back
It probably is killing them to see the British people are taking control. Just look at the amount of time spent on crying over it, you would think the second time they would take the hint.
 
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