British politics

[CheckMyPecs]

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Soo, Scotland votes yes to Europe by a huge majority. Now, Scotland votes no thank you trident (by way of what the snp stood for at the last election). Independence is coming a lot quicker than I thought or hoped for.

I think that's a massive stretch I'm afraid. I want rid of it, but you can't extrapolate an SNP government to meaning that Scotland as a whole agrees with all of their policies.

A Survation poll in January 2015 showed 47.2% of Scottish people opposing a new generation of nuclear weapons being based on the Clyde, with 31.6% in favour.

 

[King Boonen]

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Soo, Scotland votes yes to Europe by a huge majority. Now, Scotland votes no thank you trident (by way of what the snp stood for at the last election). Independence is coming a lot quicker than I thought or hoped for.

I think that's a massive stretch I'm afraid. I want rid of it, but you can't extrapolate an SNP government to meaning that Scotland as a whole agrees with all of their policies.

A Survation poll in January 2015 showed 47.2% of Scottish people opposing a new generation of nuclear weapons being based on the Clyde, with 31.6% in favour.

So no majority either way then.

 

[VeloCity]

http://www.bbc.co.uk/newsbeat/article/36835470/wolf-whistling-can-now-be-reported-as-a-hate-crime

Hahahahaha, this is one of the most idiotic things ever. How the **** is wolf whistling misogynistic!? The feminists are **** braindead, seriously.

It is rude.

The only thing I agree with you. You should educate yourself what misogynistic means. Wolf whistling is used by boors to express their appreciation to a woman, nothing more, nothing less.

https://www.washingtonpost.com/blogs/she-the-people/wp/2014/10/29/the-story-behind-that-10-hours-of-walking-in-nyc-viral-street-harassment-video/

Yeah, looks harmless. Unless you're the woman, of course.

 

[CheckMyPecs]

Raleigh increases prices by 10 per cent after Brexit vote

Raleigh has become the first major cycling distributor to increase its prices after last month’s vote to leave the EU, with a 10 per cent price increase hitting all bikes and accessories made overseas.

http://www.cyclingweekly.co.uk/news/latest-news/raleigh-increases-prices-10-per-cent-brexit-vote-266667

That's why we can't have nice things.

 

[Echoes]

Can't say I'm delighted with the outcome, but the EU only has itself to blame - no doubt the moronic immigration policy, or lack thereof, was one of the main driving forces behind this result. There's only so much people will tolerate against their will.

Of course you are not. Just another pro-Remain, which means pro-EU and then onsiders himself a vegan. Which means a vegan who approves of animal flour, of chlorine chicken, of the TTIP negotiation and of McDonald's expansion to Europe (which the EU facilitated).

It's just like I say "No to alcohol" while drinking a beer. It's just nonsense. Hypocrisy! You are exposed.

But what makes me vomit in this post is that you equate the Brexit vote with a xenophobic vote, Brexiters should be as xenophobic as you are yourself while it was clearly a sanction against Europe's epic economic failure. While clearly the EU is a racist entity. A continental apartheid. White-skinned countries should unite against the rest of the World. The case of the Brains family in Scotland is exposing the EU's hypocrisy re: immigration. If you are European, which means a rich white-skinned citizen, you may settle wherever you want in the E but non-Euros don't have that privilege (though this Australian family is of course white-skinned).

 

[BigMac]

Can't say I'm delighted with the outcome, but the EU only has itself to blame - no doubt the moronic immigration policy, or lack thereof, was one of the main driving forces behind this result. There's only so much people will tolerate against their will.

Of course you are not. Just another pro-Remain, which means pro-EU and then onsiders himself a vegan. Which means a vegan who approves of animal flour, of chlorine chicken, of the TTIP negotiation and of McDonald's expansion to Europe (which the EU facilitated).

It's just like I say "No to alcohol" while drinking a beer. It's just nonsense. Hypocrisy! You are exposed.

But what makes me vomit in this post is that you equate the Brexit vote with a xenophobic vote, Brexiters should be as xenophobic as you are yourself while it was clearly a sanction against Europe's epic economic failure. While clearly the EU is a racist entity. A continental apartheid. White-skinned countries should unite against the rest of the World. The case of the Brains family in Scotland is exposing the EU's hypocrisy re: immigration. If you are European, which means a rich white-skinned citizen, you may settle wherever you want in the E but non-Euros don't have that privilege (though this Australian family is of course white-skinned).

While there are many wrong things with the EU, there are also good ones, especially concerning the things you decided to throw at me. European environmental rules are the reason my country stopped overfishing, became less pollutive... I know my people well, I know our egotistical and short-sighted mentality. Thankfully there's common legislation with regards to that.

Do you actually believe that since GB left the EU all of those things from animal flour to McDonald's will vanish from the isles? If anything, with regards to animal ''welfare'' (I hate that word, I'd rather refer to ''rights''), it will get worse. I've slagged off the EU many times, although, with regards to this, it was the lesser evil. Politically, strictly speaking, I respect(ed) the vote to leave.

Finally, vomit at will. Are you calling me xenophobic for opposing mass immigration when you disagree with it yourself? It's clear it had lots to do with the vote to leave. It's not xenophobic by the Brits. It's understandable. You'd have gotten the real gist of my post were you not too keen on attacking me. Did you bookmark it for when your ban ended...?

 

[Echoes]

It's always the same with Europeists. They never have real arguments. It's always voting for a lesser evil. One never votes for a lesser evil if one has honour and dignity. It fits very well with your customary cowardice. It's a spirit of surrender, of abandon if not of collaboration. One votes according to our own principles and ideas. Is animal flour good for mankind and the environment? If you think it is, you support the EU, if you think it isn't you don't.

Belgium & France are the only two countries whose MEP voted against animal flour in their majority. There would never have been animal flour in Belgium if it wasn't for the EU. If anything, the EU reacted very poorly to the Mad Cow crisis in the nineties.

There are so many things about that EU in terms of environment that is impossible to compromise with when one has a moral conscience. GMO's are already authorised in Europe without the approval of the Euro Parliament. GMO's mean seed ownership and potentially earth sterilization. GMO's destroyed Mexico's agriculture (cereal farming, I mean !!) who are forced to import cheaper genetically modified maize from the US because of NAFTA. Potentially, our future.

The TTIP - which you approve of by approving of the EU - aims at the destruction of all non-tariff barriers between US and the EU (the CETA is the equivalent with Canada, equally as disgusting but which is even less talked about) since tariffs are already scrapped. It means all the products that we reject for public health reasons. It means potentially we will be forced to import hormone beef and porks made by your friends in the USA. That is what you approved of by supporting the Remain side.

What will happen in the British Isles now is not the point. The point is that 24 years after Maastricht, the EU neef to give an account. We need to make an assessment. If we approve of it, it means it's been good for the people and the environment. And therefore we approve of the whole package and not just small measurettes on fishing. Besides, I'm not British, so what happens in Britain is none of my business. My concern is that my country gets out of that prison. If Remain had won, there would have been no hope. No there's hope that Belgium, Greece, Spain or Portugal might someday get free again.

Finally, what I did during my ban is none of your business. If you are too stupid to understand it's easy to find a post back ...

 

[BigMac]

You're as vile as they come. Dangerous, even. Indeed, I was too stupid to fall for your crap.

And since, yet again, you didn't seem to understand my post or the logic in it, and thought it was better to disguise some insults into that rhetoric, I don't know why I should answer you. Once was already too much.

If you keep harrasing me I'll report you, something I rarely do. It's obvious to me now that you stalk my posts in hope to attack me in some way. I have clear evidence of it. Go creep elsewhere.

 

[CheckMyPecs]

Can't say I'm delighted with the outcome, but the EU only has itself to blame - no doubt the moronic immigration policy, or lack thereof, was one of the main driving forces behind this result. There's only so much people will tolerate against their will.

The EU actually put together a decent migration plan before the member states sank it. As you pointed out earlier in reference to Portugal, nation-states aren't always the good guys.

https://www.euractiv.com/section/justice-home-affairs/news/national-reluctance-sinks-eu-s-refugee-relocation-plan

 

[Brullnux]

Oh sh*t I forgot Liz Truss was justice secretary. Or in the cabinet. Or an MP.

She might start arresting shopkeepers who sell French cheese. Why does she hold any position of power?

 

[kwikki]

http://www.bbc.co.uk/newsbeat/article/36835470/wolf-whistling-can-now-be-reported-as-a-hate-crime

Hahahahaha, this is one of the most idiotic things ever. How the **** is wolf whistling misogynistic!? The feminists are **** braindead, seriously.

How is wolf whistling misogynstic? Because it is designed to intimate women.
It is designed to objectify women.
It is designed to make women feel uncomfortable.
It is designed to express your power.
It is designed to express your power by treating other people as less than human.
It is rude.
It is threatening.
It is unacceptable.

Educate yourself.
http://everydaysexism.com

it is all of these things these days, though you mean "intimidate" in the first point you make.

It used not to be viewed like that at all. In the Fifties and Sixties it was generally a cheerful expression of appreciation by the ordinary man for a good looking woman and I don't think anyone thought much the worse of it. I don't believe it was threatening to anybody and it was favoured by builders looking down from their scaffolds into the street, from a range where they were incapable of threatening anyone. Changing social attitudes, women's emancipation, feminism, "political correctness" and all that saw off these old ways in the UK and it went out with the likes of Benny Hill. I don't say that's a bad thing, but many of these behaviours that are so frowned on nowadays had their acceptable place in the past.

What seemed acceptable in the past depended on who was making that judgement, and their relative power compared to the parties involved.

Not so very long ago women weren't allowed to vote. The fifties were even closer to that time than the present day

 

[King Boonen]

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Oh sh*t I forgot Liz Truss was justice secretary. Or in the cabinet. Or an MP.

She might start arresting shopkeepers who sell French cheese. Why does she hold any position of power?

I heard her plan on the radio this morning. A mixture of thought police, human rights abuses and martyring. Brilliant...

 

[del1962]

Typical Corbyn bullsh.t exposed

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-politics-37167700

 

[rhubroma]

It's always the same with Europeists. They never have real arguments. It's always voting for a lesser evil. One never votes for a lesser evil if one has honour and dignity. It fits very well with your customary cowardice. It's a spirit of surrender, of abandon if not of collaboration. One votes according to our own principles and ideas. Is animal flour good for mankind and the environment? If you think it is, you support the EU, if you think it isn't you don't.

Belgium & France are the only two countries whose MEP voted against animal flour in their majority. There would never have been animal flour in Belgium if it wasn't for the EU. If anything, the EU reacted very poorly to the Mad Cow crisis in the nineties.

There are so many things about that EU in terms of environment that is impossible to compromise with when one has a moral conscience. GMO's are already authorised in Europe without the approval of the Euro Parliament. GMO's mean seed ownership and potentially earth sterilization. GMO's destroyed Mexico's agriculture (cereal farming, I mean !!) who are forced to import cheaper genetically modified maize from the US because of NAFTA. Potentially, our future.

The TTIP - which you approve of by approving of the EU - aims at the destruction of all non-tariff barriers between US and the EU (the CETA is the equivalent with Canada, equally as disgusting but which is even less talked about) since tariffs are already scrapped. It means all the products that we reject for public health reasons. It means potentially we will be forced to import hormone beef and porks made by your friends in the USA. That is what you approved of by supporting the Remain side.

What will happen in the British Isles now is not the point. The point is that 24 years after Maastricht, the EU neef to give an account. We need to make an assessment. If we approve of it, it means it's been good for the people and the environment. And therefore we approve of the whole package and not just small measurettes on fishing. Besides, I'm not British, so what happens in Britain is none of my business. My concern is that my country gets out of that prison. If Remain had won, there would have been no hope. No there's hope that Belgium, Greece, Spain or Portugal might someday get free again.

Finally, what I did during my ban is none of your business. If you are too stupid to understand it's easy to find a post back ...

As to the specifics about what the EU actually represents and what its legislation actually amounts to, isn't what's being debated here, rather a mind world. You're obviously for turning back, inanely, history, when that history only begot the most mendatious nationalisms and wars. What European paridigm is to be auspiced? The 20's and 30's?

In other words, its far too late to return to a Europe of nations. Even if that upsets the fragile world of your identarian expectations.

 

[Brullnux]

The labour leadership election round two has begun, what are the thoughts around here?

 

[SeriousSam]

I think Comrade Corbyn will smite the unbelievers

 

[Avoriaz]

The TTIP - which you approve of by approving of the EU - aims at the destruction of all non-tariff barriers between US and the EU (the CETA is the equivalent with Canada, equally as disgusting but which is even less talked about) since tariffs are already scrapped. It means all the products that we reject for public health reasons. It means potentially we will be forced to import hormone beef and porks made by your friends in the USA. That is what you approved of by supporting the Remain side.
..

Except the above isn't true. I voted to Remain precisely because I was of the opinion that ultimately TTIP negotiations would be permanently derailed due to pressure applied by my European counterparts. The U.K. Would simply drive through such a deal. As of today not a single one of the 27 chapters has been met with agreement, and the Germans are effectively saying TTIP is dead in the water

 

[Brullnux]

I think Comrade Corbyn will smite the unbelievers

Well Corbyn will win the leadership contest without any doubt. He'll walk it. Especially with a pro-NHS-privatisation, Iraq-war-sympathiser, child-benefit-cuts-supporter, ex Pfizer chief lobbyist 'democratic socialist' Owen Smith is your opponent. Seriously, what self-respecting democratic socialist would support the privatisation of the health service? His explanation was that at the time he thought it to be a good idea, but then it didn't work so he changed his mind. A 'democratic socialist' should oppose it out of principle; the principle that health service should be free to use and available for everybody. By supporting it to be privatised, and then calling yourself a socialist, you show yourself up to be a rather fake candidate who will do anything to get votes, rather than have any principles.

Meanwhile Corbyn is setting up PR stunts that are quite badly backfiring.

 

[King Boonen]

We can no longer laugh at the current state of American politics, we can only hang our heads in shame.

 

[42x16ss]

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We can no longer laugh at the current state of American politics, we can only hang our heads in shame.

Don't worry, Australia's descent into a banana republic still trumps both. We now have an ex pm backflipping on several policies purely out of spite in order to destabilise his successor (who is from the same party).

 

[Brullnux]

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We can no longer laugh at the current state of American politics, we can only hang our heads in shame.

Don't worry, Australia's descent into a banana republic still trumps both. We now have an ex pm backflipping on several policies purely out of spite in order to destabilise his successor (who is from the same party).

But do you have a fully functioning opposition that isn't too busy trying to destroy itself?

 

[Weeman]

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We can no longer laugh at the current state of American politics, we can only hang our heads in shame.

Don't worry, Australia's descent into a banana republic still trumps both. We now have an ex pm backflipping on several policies purely out of spite in order to destabilise his successor (who is from the same party).

But do you have a fully functioning opposition that isn't too busy trying to destroy itself?

The SNP is surely the real opposition in Westminster now.

 

[BullsFan22]

Corbyn needs to be the PM. He should also name Farage and Galloway as his cabinet members.

 

[42x16ss]

Re: Re:

We can no longer laugh at the current state of American politics, we can only hang our heads in shame.

Don't worry, Australia's descent into a banana republic still trumps both. We now have an ex pm backflipping on several policies purely out of spite in order to destabilise his successor (who is from the same party).

But do you have a fully functioning opposition that isn't too busy trying to destroy itself?

They aren't trying to destroy themselves, but they're about as strong as a limp lettuce leaf! Also, the skidmark on humanity that is Pauline Hanson made her first speech to the Federal Senate - to strong support from some cabinet members

 

[42x16ss]

Corbyn needs to be the PM. He should also name Farage and Galloway as his cabinet members.

I agree with the first sentence...

Do Corbyn and Farage even share any common ideology? One is a well rounded, stable, rational leader who would make a fine PM, the other is one of the most dangerous, evil, manipulative people in world politics.