Brits don't dope?

[blackcat]

Okay. I don't speak French. Sounds like a ball, an absolute riot.

2011 Voeckler was something to behold. If only he hadn't tried to chase down Contador and Andy Schleck on the Alpe d'Huez stage. Would have made the podium.

Maybe that is why the Brits have so much animosity towards the French. The French can laugh at their own. Call them out. Life is so much more fun when you can do that.

the more absurd thing is to think an athlete only begins to dope in the last years of their career. risible.

it is equivalent to the "i only doped once/twice defense". No, you started in the espoirs or juniors or as a neo, when a soigneur or coach told you to take this extract of cortisone. or they had sought it out themselves before in some JPSartre exercise of "bad faith"
"I dope therefore i am... a cyclist"

 

[Galic Ho]

/i dont mind the brits going full gas on the doping. its ok. no probs.

if one saw the Dauphine timetrial when Richie Porte caught his 2 minute man , Contador, it reminded me of Indurain and Armstrong. Contador was standing still.

I rated Contador the second best timetrialler on a non-spirit-level-flat parcours. Cancellara gets him any parcours. spirit level, Martin gets him.

so after that, i knew, Contador just as much a fraud as anyone else. And Richie, a biochemical creation. i just hope the dont do a Tommy Simpson on me, because i may have a pang of guilt.

So Brits. do your darnedest. you know Orica Greenedge with steal Porte back, and maybe R Dennis, C Meyer, if they have the cut-throat dope til u drop mindset. Cos they Aussies know their way around a hypodermic like the back of their hand. so it will be free target at Galic Ho. does the "Ho" imply wh@re GH?

Re Jimmy. As BC said...lap it up. Like I said, you were gone for a MONTH and still feel the need to come back and defend them. Take a page out of Melo Vellow's playbook. Run off and celebrate. Give Dim a call. Ask who that is if you don't know. You'd get along well.

Rohan Dennis didn't last a week at the Tour. Jack Bobridge was second last on GC in every GT Garmin sent him to back when he rode for them. Cameron Meyer? Put them on the Geraint Thomas and Ian Stennard special and they'll be monsters. Why not? The Brits did it right?

Oh but it won't bother me BC. See the first person on Sky I took a dig at, which most of these guys forget, because they weren't on the forum, was Rogers. Then Porte. I've got no problem calling the doped Aussies out. Which has been my point for years now. If you can't call your own out, WTF are you doing sledging others? I remember Krebs got really angry at me for calling Rogers out. Said it was 'un-Australian.'

Tommy Simpson? Tim Kerrison won't let that happen right? He didn't let anything bad happen to Thorpe or Henry did he? Oh that's right, they RETIRED when he left Australia for the UK. We don't need to wonder why do we?

Does the 'ho' imply wh0re? I'm not ACF94 if that's what you're wondering. Not a chic. Glad I'm not. Not that men cannot be wh0res. The whole Galic Ho thing is from an anime when I needed a gamertag back at uni. Heard something on Dragonball Z and figured it was Galic Ho. So I went with it. Mind you I changed my gamertag and no, I won't be giving it out because it is attached to active accounts. I don't need to get trolled and spammed. Not that I game anymore. Gave that up.

 

[Galic Ho]

the more absurd thing is to think an athlete only begins to dope in the last years of their career. risible.

it is equivalent to the "i only doped once/twice defense". No, you started in the espoirs or juniors or as a neo, when a soigneur or coach told you to take this extract of cortisone. or they had sought it out themselves before in some JPSartre exercise of "bad faith"
"I dope therefore i am... a cyclist"

We better not start with that talk again. We've been there with Wiggins before from the junior ITT days when Cancellara used to pants him day in and day out.

It's bad enough some around here think Sir Bradley of Muttonchops and Argyle Dress Sense doped in 2009, but to dare suggest he was doping back in 2004? Or earlier? Blasphemy!!

If most pro's make it to the 1000 day mark Hamilton spoke of, they're IMO the strong ones. Most don't wait that long.

 

[burning]

It's not cycling, but Mo Farah was definitely clean yesterday

 

[blackcat]

tim kerrison would not know who tommy simpson is

 

[Galic Ho]

tim kerrison would not know who tommy simpson is

Considering his specialty is swimmers and rowers, good point. I do wonder what Sky will do if Porte leaves and Kerrison goes with him.

I can imagine OGE would love to get their hands on those two.

 

[blackcat]

folks, if anyone wishes to "go" Galic Ho. The dude is from Adelaide, and in Australia, there is a saying, When God chose an @rse end of Australia, he pointed to Adelaide.

 

[Wallace and Gromit]

I will give the UK Cavendish. And Jenson Button. Maybe Ennis. The rest?

In no particular order...

Stanning, Glover, Pendleton, Hoy, Kenny, Trott, King, Rowsell, Thomas, Kennaugh, Clancy, Burke, Brownlee, Rutherford, Hoskins, Copeland, Granger, Bebbington, Read, Triggs-Hodge, James, McEver, Ainslee, Jones, Adams, Campbell, Dujardin, Brash, Skelton, Charles...

I could go on, but I'm bored and the point (i.e. there are oddles of home-grown GB sporting heroes) is proven.

 

[Galic Ho]

In no particular order...

Stanning, Glover, Pendleton, Hoy, Kenny, Trott, King, Rowsell, Thomas, Kennaugh, Clancy, Burke, Brownlee, Rutherford, Hoskins, Copeland, Granger, Bebbington, Read, Triggs-Hodge, James, McEver, Ainslee, Jones, Adams, Campbell, Dujardin, Brash, Skelton, Charles...

I could go on, but I'm bored and the point (i.e. there are oddles of home-grown GB sporting heroes) is proven.

Care to add anyone there who is not well versed in the finer points of a hypodermic needle? I at least gave Button. Who'd you offer?

Seriously, you had to add all the track team? I know Trott is what you Brits call 'fit' and all, but come on champ. Pendleton? Who here from down under thinks Anna Meares is clean? Would you like me to tell you how they ran things at the AIS track program in Adelaide? Note that was a decade ago and your boys and girls there time wise would thump them into the ground.

It never ceases to amaze me there is always someone around here who is a 'true believer.' ALWAYS.

 

[Galic Ho]

folks, if anyone wishes to "go" Galic Ho. The dude is from Adelaide, and in Australia, there is a saying, When God chose an @rse end of Australia, he pointed to Adelaide.

Too right there. Lots of vineyard for drinking. Lots of churches for confession after.

BTW it's 'Radelaide.' One of Adelaide's finer known sons is Lleyton Hewitt in case anyone wanted to know. Also Stuey O'Grady is too.

 

[Don't be late Pedro]

This has come up so many times. It's genuinely starting to irritate me now.

Nobody in Australia cares about English sport outside of the Ashes and perhaps the Olympics. Certainly there's no cycling rivalry between the nations, no matter how much the papers tried to dress up the 2012 Tour as the Ashes on wheels. There is no need to dismiss this argument (which I haven't even read yet) because the poster is Australian.

Well, I have lived in Australia for the last few years and, speaking as a Brit, my experience is quite different to yours.

Weren't some Aussie fans hurling abuse Porte and Rogers because they were riding for Wiggins and 'against' Evans. Now clearly they are just ignorant fans and you get those from all countries (and in all sports) but I wonder if their anger would be as strong if they were riding for a different GC rider? I doubt it.

 

[The Hitch]

Tell that to Ryo.

Tell that to Libertine.

tell that to taxus

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No idea where you plucked those names from. Ryo sure as hell can't speak Spanish and LS admited his Spanish ain't all that either. Portugese and German are his languages of expertise.

Taxus can speak Spanish but not English so what good is it.

 

[Wallace and Gromit]

Care to add anyone there who is not well versed in the finer points of a hypodermic needle?

I was responding to your earlier comment: "Even the riders, the big wigs, aren't really Brits."

So I gave you a list of genuine Brits who won gold at last years OGs.

Re doping, I'd be pretty confident that the rowing and track cycling women are clean. The depth in these events is pretty dismal, with all due respect to those that do compete, as you can only beat what's there. For example, Helen Glover took up rowing a couple of weeks before the 2008 OGs and was winning a silver medal in the World Champs 2 years later. There's also b*gger all financial incentive to win for the women in most Olympic events. The aforementioned Helen Glover is still solely funded by lottery money and able to go to the supermarket and be totally unrecognised.

I wouldn't put any money on it though.

 

[sittingbison]

Trott is a Saffer

 

[Wallace and Gromit]

Trott is a Saffer

I'm sure there's a joke in here somewhere, but it's passed me by, I'm afraid.

 

[al_pacino]

I guess he's talking cricket.

 

[Chaddy]

Trott is a Saffer

He means lovely little Laura

 

[martinvickers]

He means lovely little Laura

Except, of course, he doesn't, he means Jonathan...kinda, sorta

 

[Wallace and Gromit]

Except, of course, he doesn't, he means Jonathan...kinda, sorta

I did mean the lovely Laura. I get the joke now.

If we're simply talking about people playing for a national side when not born there, then Galic might like to consider where the following Aussie rugby union players - all in the match day squad for the first Lions test, so top rank players - were born:

Israel Folau
Christian Leali'ifano
Digby Iaone
Will Genia

The answer in all case is "not Australia". So why does Galic get so agitated about his "Plastic Brits"? Better to be a Plastic Brit than an Artificial Aussie, I'd say.

 

[del1962]

Trott is a Saffer

That Trott is nowhere near as good as Bell

 

[martinvickers]

I did mean the lovely Laura. I get the joke now.

If we're simply talking about people playing for a national side when not born there, then Galic might like to consider where the following Aussie rugby union players - all in the match day squad for the first Lions test, so top rank players - were born:

Israel Folau
Christian Leali'ifano
Digby Iaone
Will Genia

The answer in all case is "not Australia". So why does Galic get so agitated about his "Plastic Brits"? Better to be a Plastic Brit than an Artificial Aussie, I'd say.

He might even ask why the all-conquoring Aussies are 'stealing' british women swimmers!

 

[Zam_Olyas]

Your second point is exactly what I said. They know the score, how the game is played, hence why the hell would they bother making a case for those guys I mentioned being clean?

Psychology study hey. Sounds like a LOT of work and reading forums. Lots of marketing and advertising theory too.

But do note, there are a lot of readers on this forum, who know the score, whose first language isn't English and they choose to come here. Why is that? Could it be because the Clinic offers something no other forum does, besides body building ones? Real discussion on the obvious. Think about it.

BTW I think you got the % wrong with native languages. English first language. Yes for over 50%. But a hell of a lot of the forum speak other languages quite well. If there is a better forum than this one then by all means, let me know. To my knowledge, this one is the best for cycling by far.

I come from the dirty south but i do believe basso the great is clean now... he has sucked for 3 ****ing years lol

 

[Galic Ho]

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No idea where you plucked those names from. Ryo sure as hell can't speak Spanish and LS admited his Spanish ain't all that either. Portugese and German are his languages of expertise.

Taxus can speak Spanish but not English so what good is it.

I figured with the way Ryo salivates over Colombians he had to be following them on some Spanish site somewhere. Oh well.

Isn't Hrotha Spanish? His first and last names sure as hell sound Spanish. Then again...you said Portugese. Not exact, but next door. Learn something new everyday.

My point was simply that in Europe there are a lot of bilingual speakers. I could have mentioned the Dutch but I figured that was obvious. A lot of the French and Italians on here don't seem to have any troubles with English. Where as you take the Anglo Saxon nations, USA, UK, Australia, NZ and Ireland...yeah our skills outside of English predominantly suck as a larger group.

Those that do have expertise in a second language are mostly immigrants or people's whose parents/grand parents immigrated and spoke their native tongue at home. Even now, in Australia, there aren't a lot of those. One of my best friends came from Sri Lanka when he was four. Full blown Aussie accent and barely speaks any Tamil or Hindi. Maybe a few words.

 

[Galic Ho]

I was responding to your earlier comment: "Even the riders, the big wigs, aren't really Brits."

So I gave you a list of genuine Brits who won gold at last years OGs.

Re doping, I'd be pretty confident that the rowing and track cycling women are clean. The depth in these events is pretty dismal, with all due respect to those that do compete, as you can only beat what's there. For example, Helen Glover took up rowing a couple of weeks before the 2008 OGs and was winning a silver medal in the World Champs 2 years later. There's also b*gger all financial incentive to win for the women in most Olympic events. The aforementioned Helen Glover is still solely funded by lottery money and able to go to the supermarket and be totally unrecognised.

I wouldn't put any money on it though.

I'd buy that. Women clean or cleaner than the men.

The men at track? I don't think the Aussie men are clean. Or the Germans or the French. So no, I'm not casting the British track men into a special pool. Their results do that. Like I said, most Aussies have heard how bad the AIS track program was.

As for rowing. Yeah I'd buy that the woman are cleaner. Can I throw in a 'lay down Sally joke?' Hey Bison, you hear anything about her over in Perth. For those who don't know, the womens rowing squads are mostly based in Perth in Australia. I heard she was giving cycling a crack. Turned up at the nationals in 2012 I believe.

Our men? When the British men beat our 4's...yeah, that ain't normal. Our guys are freaks...even they draw suspicion. You beat them...it is what it is.

As for Big Wigs and names...was more referring to the Froome's and Farrah's who hog the spotlight. Sure we know the natural home grown Brits names in an Olympic year and naturally the British public do. But where do they go inbetween? Apart from Kenny, Hoy and Pendleton the rest are mostly obscure. It's the guys who don't stop winning, your borrowed Brits, who are pulling the flag behind them and bringing in the headlines. I should have phrased it that way.

Put it this way. If this happened in Australia it would bother a lot of people. Yes I can think of a World beater who became an Aussie. I can think of a few. Dale Begg Smith for one. That's more of a joke and a laugh at Canada's expense than anything else. Some Russian pole vaulters etc. That's about it. Minor sports. None of the headline grabbing big stuff. Sure there are Rugby and League players, but most of them grew up here and besides, it's football.

 

[Galic Ho]

I come from the dirty south but i do believe basso the great is clean now... he has sucked for 3 ****ing years lol

Both him and Il Principe.

And I like them sucking. Allows some refreshing honesty when a former doped to the gills GT winner can say he could barely hang onto Richie Porte in the 2012 Tour when he was towing the peloton up the Cols.

Hindsight is great isn't it? I can look back on the old days, you know 'when cycling was dirty' and appreciate Basso in a different light. If he were like Evans he could have another very serious crack at a GT, but I think the Smiling Assassin is content to just finish out his contract, ride for the fun of it and leave. He's had a very good career.

I was wondering where you came from. I would use a different set of words to describe Italy...but you can call it what you want. Lots of people from my hometown call it a hole. It's not, but doesn't stop them from calling it such.