Brits don't dope?

[Libertine Seguros]

Definitely she's a superb championship performer. After the 2012 Olympics she had run sub-50" 3 times in her career - twice in Olympic finals and once in a World Championship final. I don't know how she's been going this season so I don't know if she's managed to hit that marker in a non-Championship final event at some point, otherwise it's 4 times, all in important finals.

 

[Cyivel]

She ran 50.00 before the championship and ran sub 50 in the semi-final.

 

[King Boonen]

Ohuruogu is massively suspicious, championship performer doesn't even come close, she's been completely ordinary until it matters then bam, world beater.

 

[Wallace and Gromit]

Ohuruogu is massively suspicious, championship performer doesn't even come close, she's been completely ordinary until it matters then bam, world beater.

Better that way round than doing it Paula Radcliffe style, 2005 WCs notwithstanding.

 

[horsinabout]

I guess we'll agree to disagree on this one.

Touché.....I don't agree, you have lost the argument

 

[happychappy]

It's difficult knowing precisely what Galic is ranting about at any particular point.

That pretty much sums up every single one of his autism-rant posts on this forum.

 

[peterst6906]

That pretty much sums up every single one of his autism-rant posts on this forum.

+1

10chars

 

[Wallace and Gromit]

The winning Omnium times being produced (in the sprint events part of the women's Omnium) would very nearly be competitive in the individual sprint.

Trott's flying lap time equates to 11.25 over 200m, which is nearly half a second slower than Meares and Pendleton. If you think that's even nearly competitive then good luck to you!

 

[Freddythefrog]

Whatever you think of Christine O, she is a superb championship performer. I think she's been in the lead for around 10m in total of her 3 global championship wins.

Not entirely sure that her time of 49.41, a whopping 0.02s faster than Kathy Cook's UK record from 1984 is necessarily suspicious. She just runs as fast as she needs to win.

Kathy Cook, when asked about the redistribution of medals post the exposure of the East German syndicated doping plans, gave an answer in line with that which would be provided by any customer of David Jenkins. What makes anyone think that industrialised doping stopped with the Russians, USA, East Germans, West Germans and Cubans in the 1980s ? I was prepared to give Christin O the benefit of the doubt whilst she hadn't broken that record. she goes from pale orange to red orange in my books now.

 

[mikeoneill]

I was prepared to give Christin O the benefit of the doubt whilst she hadn't broken that record. she goes from pale orange to red orange in my books now.

she prob doping
she won and prob beat dopers...


paula used to kick up a huge fuss about being tested at competition for epo

case in point chicago 2002

meanwhile she disappears off to kenya and alburquerque out of competition where she won't get tested

huh..

 

[MrRoboto]

Ohuruogu is a joke. Have no idea how anyone can find that believable.

 

[the sceptic]

Ohuruogu is a joke. Have no idea how anyone can find that believable.

every female sprinter that looks like a man is an obvious doper to me.

In before acoggan explains how looking like a man can never prove doping.

 

[mikeoneill]

isn't that the reality at that level

if you want the $$$ and golden glory you have to cross over ?


it looks like mo made the decision too

it's not that big of a deal

it's not like this problem is going away

 

[sittingbison]

Lay Down Sally fell off her bike

I'm pretty sure she is now done and dusted.

 

[martinvickers]

One swimmer right. Forget her name. How'd she go at the World Champs? Last years Olympics?

Australia has more than enough female swimmers. One Brit won't steal all the water in the pool. I dare say she moved for the weather. Good on her. I'd move to but then again, my ancestors had the brains to do so centuries ago.

Ellen Gandy. At her last world's (she's serving eligibility ATM) she silvered I think. She blew at the OG. Given the relative strengths of Brit and Aussie swimming, it's amusing.

And I think the papers you were reading was probably the Daily Mail, which was leading a 'plastic brit' debate fairly unique to them - you have to know the Fail to know the context of their xenophobia - the irish have suffered from it as much as any other country. But they weren't going after Froome or Hindes or Tweddle (born Sth Africa) (Hindes was a COMPLETE ringer, BTW!), they saved the angst for rather ... darker skinned imports -even when those imports had been british citizens since birth - tiff ofili porter, shara proctor, delano williams. Oh and ukrainians. They REALLY hated ukrainians.

e.g. at the infamous 15 min rest day presser - Froome had question after question after question on doping. then, just at the end, out of the blue - "Daily Mail: Do you feel British, Chris?"

In ireland, we have, I like to think a more welcoming attitude to our diaspora. Paul McGrath, Ronan O'Gara, Trent Johnson all born on foreign shores - we drew the line at lending the aussies Sonia O'Sullivan for a commonwealth's mind...

 

[wansteadimp]

In ireland, we have, I like to think a more welcoming attitude to our diaspora. Paul McGrath, Ronan O'Gara, Trent Johnson all born on foreign shores - we drew the line at lending the aussies Sonia O'Sullivan for a commonwealth's mind...

And if you hadn't we might have won the Lions series in SA.

You left a lot of footballers out from the Charlton era - renowned doper Tony O'Cascorino included. (BTW spell checks only suggestion for O'Cascorino is "non-scoring", spell check has a sense of humour!).

 

[blackcat]

Kathy Cook, when asked about the redistribution of medals post the exposure of the East German syndicated doping plans, gave an answer in line with that which would be provided by any customer of David Jenkins. What makes anyone think that industrialised doping stopped with the Russians, USA, East Germans, West Germans and Cubans in the 1980s ? I was prepared to give Christin O the benefit of the doubt whilst she hadn't broken that record. she goes from pale orange to red orange in my books now.

right. the West merely outsourced their doping in good ol free market capitalism style

 

[Wallace and Gromit]

...Tweddle (born Sth Africa) (Hindes was a COMPLETE ringer, BTW!)...

Agree that Hindes' selection for GB is legit by the letter of the law (he holds dual nationality, having a British father and German mother) but doesn't feel right, since he competed for Germany as a junior and only switched because representing GB afforded better opportunities. Same goes for Porter and the other ex-Americans.

Delano Williams and Shara Proctor are different. They hail from countries that are British Overseas Territories which are not recognised by the IOC. So they can't compete for their home countries but are eligible for the GB team.

Beth Tweddle is also different. Born in SA, but moved to England when 18 months old. It's hard to argue that she isn't British (not that you were), though plenty of folk highlight that Wiggo is Belgian despite having only lived there as a nipper. I guess if someone isn't liked then anything can be used to beat them over the head.

 

[del1962]

Next big thing in English cricket was born in NZ, but as a west Cumbrian accent as thick as they come, that will confuse the home counties and those from abroad

He is next in line to Botham and Flintoff

 

[blackcat]

Next big thing in English cricket was born in NZ, but as a west Cumbrian accent as thick as they come, that will confuse the home counties and those from abroad

He is next in line to Botham and Flintoff

Galic, you have succeeded in lowering the discourse to your level. i might be australian, but could care less about partisanship. respect to the resurgence (well, decade and a half long wrt cricket) of GB sport. Apart from Singer, Australia offers nothing on the world playing field of the academy, and intellectual contribution. we have some authors, few artists, but Gallic, PAtrick White could rightly be claimed by the Brits under your definition. Australia

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Patrick_White

the Adelaide Nobel Prize for lit author, is a South African! http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/J._M._Coetzee

The Science astronomer physics nobel winner, is a Canadian! Sorry, hes a Yank. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Brian_Schmidt hope did not get your hopes up D-Q. sure he was Waterloo/Toronto. must be conflating him with another.

Galic, you have put "us" in a bind. We cannot claim any accomplishment, or achievement, without offering deference to the true origin of achievement.

besides, the fallibility of making this a jingoistic d!ck-size competition.

you do appreciate, making jingoistic d!ck size competitions, is all what the Olympics is about, and statist propaganda for ubermensch. And you would not compliment doping programs for Xiang Liu in The Peoples' Republic. I assume the apostrope denoting ownerhip in "Peoples", must be after the "s' " denoting ownership by the bloc of peoples, not individual people. And i dont take you for a pinko commie (sic).

So, how about a rapprochement on the forum, and apologies to our British friends. Sorry from me, as an individual. not on behalf of GH, he has his own agency.

corollary: I reserve the right to poke fun at Wigans. Evans. Ogrady, and Gerrans. I will call BS when i see/hear it.

 

[blackcat]

oh, and Froome

 

[martinvickers]

And if you hadn't we might have won the Lions series in SA.

Love Rugby. Know it's got doping problems, but love it as a sport, always have.

Couldn't give a tinker's curse about the Lions - no affinity whatsoever.

You left a lot of footballers out from the Charlton era - renowned doper Tony O'Cascorino included. (BTW spell checks only suggestion for O'Cascorino is "non-scoring", spell check has a sense of humour!).

Do you think I've got all day to type out Jackie's Army?? Everyone knew about them - not quite so many knew Paul McGrath was London born (though dublin bred through and through) - and you know what - practically no-one in ireland cared. We were, naively, quite proud to have a few black footballers - showed how cosmopolitan we were! Well, that and McGrath being basically God.

Tony was a funny fish, and his autobiography is, shall we say, imaginative in places (for esxample, his claim of 'never being qualified' was nonsense - - great read, mind. Too much jiggy for my tastes in a sports book, but a great read. Preferred Niall Quinn's, mainly because of a certain now unspeakable ghostwriter's talents. Keane's was just a classic whinge, as would be expected.

 

[martinvickers]

Agree that Hindes' selection for GB is legit by the letter of the law (he holds dual nationality, having a British father and German mother) but doesn't feel right, since he competed for Germany as a junior and only switched because representing GB afforded better opportunities. Same goes for Porter and the other ex-Americans.

Delano Williams and Shara Proctor are different. They hail from countries that are British Overseas Territories which are not recognised by the IOC. So they can't compete for their home countries but are eligible for the GB team.

Beth Tweddle is also different. Born in SA, but moved to England when 18 months old. It's hard to argue that she isn't British (not that you were), though plenty of folk highlight that Wiggo is Belgian despite having only lived there as a nipper. I guess if someone isn't liked then anything can be used to beat them over the head.

Well, it's not strictly my country - but the porter example doesn't bother me that much - she was always a dual national, and open about it. Of course tweddle and wiggins are silly, but indicative of the Fail.

 

[Galic Ho]

Re coaching staff - agreed. It's difficult knowing precisely what Galic is ranting about at any particular point. I thought he was ranting about athletes rather than coaches.

Both, but coaches more in regards to general every day activities. On the media side of things, the athletes.

Martinvickers is right. It is the Daily Mail that brought a lot of that up. Then again they're one of the few British papers NOT censoring doping comments during the Tour and actually questioning the Sky phenomenon. Well prepared to question. I couldn't give a darn about any nationality questions or pride as I'm not British. Not my problem. Doesn't mean I don't notice it.

 

[blackcat]

Well prepared to question. I couldn't give a darn about any nationality questions or pride as I'm not British. Not my problem. Doesn't mean I don't notice it.

does not mean it was not the exact same phenomenon in Australia with evans. and see Dave Culbert wrt Sally Pearson threatening a GDR WR.

its instructive, to jingoism, nationalism, and demagogy