Brits don't dope?

[blackcat]

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On the subject of comparing illegal drugs and PEDs, I remember seeing somewhere that the Mafia had significant involvement in the distribution of EPO in Italy in the 1990s. According to Roberto Saviano's excellent book Gomorrah, the Camorra now gets most of its money from its control of the narcotics trade in Italy: they also control the supply routes of many illicit substances (especially cocaine, I believe) into Europe as a whole. I wonder what role organised crime now has in PED distribution. I can't imagine it would compare to the power they receive from their stranglehold on narcotics.

yes, I remember the book, I think the subtlety and what Saviano was attempting to do was lost a bit in the translation, I assumed the book was supposed to be more than a book about the Napolitan mafia and the commora and corruption. I thought there was something more to glean about Italian culture and philosophy, but I struggled to access it
Not that this other book does it, Tobias Jones is more about the Elisa Basso Berlusconi bung bunga glamour model culture
http://www.theguardian.com/books/2003/jan/11/highereducation.news2
that which Paolo Sorrentino also skewers in his last two features
white belt = trash blanc
silicon accessories sub dermal
large leather belt fit for a rodeo or spaghetti western

 

[Maxiton]

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On the subject of comparing illegal drugs and PEDs, I remember seeing somewhere that the Mafia had significant involvement in the distribution of EPO in Italy in the 1990s. According to Roberto Saviano's excellent book Gomorrah, the Camorra now gets most of its money from its control of the narcotics trade in Italy: they also control the supply routes of many illicit substances (especially cocaine, I believe) into Europe as a whole. I wonder what role organised crime now has in PED distribution. I can't imagine it would compare to the power they receive from their stranglehold on narcotics.

yes, I remember the book, I think the subtlety and what Saviano was attempting to do was lost a bit in the translation, I assumed the book was supposed to be more than a book about the Napolitan mafia and the commora and corruption. I thought there was something more to glean about Italian culture and philosophy, but I struggled to access it
Not that this other book does it, Tobias Jones is more about the Elisa Basso Berlusconi bung bunga glamour model culture
http://www.theguardian.com/books/2003/jan/11/highereducation.news2
that which Paolo Sorrentino also skewers in his last two features
white belt = trash blanc
silicon accessories sub dermal
large leather belt fit for a rodeo or spaghetti western

To be fair, Elisa might be tons of fun to hang out with. Is that Ron Jeremy with her in the bottom most pic?

Edit: I'm pretty sure Basso, and probably his sister, too, are extreme-right wing sympathizers. I think Basso a few years ago ran a benefit race for that group that wants northern Italy to split off. And where right wing nationalists go, so goes the Mafia.

 

[Semper Fidelis]

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To be fair, Elisa might be tons of fun to hang out with. Is that Ron Jeremy with her in the bottom most pic?

Edit: I'm pretty sure Basso, and probably his sister, too, are extreme-right wing sympathizers. I think Basso a few years ago ran a benefit race for that group that wants northern Italy to split off. And where right wing nationalists go, so goes the Mafia.

I thought they caught Ron Jeremy in Pak!stan back in 2003? The mastermind behind 9/11 and all.....when was that picture taken of him on the beach with Elisa? Maybe before ...

 

[Maxiton]

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To be fair, Elisa might be tons of fun to hang out with. Is that Ron Jeremy with her in the bottom most pic?

Edit: I'm pretty sure Basso, and probably his sister, too, are extreme-right wing sympathizers. I think Basso a few years ago ran a benefit race for that group that wants northern Italy to split off. And where right wing nationalists go, so goes the Mafia.

I thought they caught Ron Jeremy in Pak!stan back in 2003? The mastermind behind 9/11 and all.....when was that picture taken of him on the beach with Elisa? Maybe before ...

I thought he was an old porn star. A man of many talents, no doubt.

 

[The Hitch]

...was "a huge shock" to read Italian research demonstrating the scale of the sport drugs market: "bigger economically than the combination of marijuana, cocaine, and heroin."

Thankfully not in Britain..

Is there a source for that? Typing it into google I found this - http://www.heraldscotland.com/sport/14416184.Former_WADA_president_Dick_Pound_believes_sport_is_digging_own_grave_with_doping_and_internal_politics/ but no actual source on the research. Instead that same sentence seems to have been used in an article on cyber crime.

In either case I can't see how anyone could conclude that PED's are a bigger market than recreational drugs.

Maybe because street drugs are relatively cheap and self-administered, whereas PEDs involve laboratories, staying on the cutting edge, use of doctors, and in general are not cheap. With the right PEDs, carefully administered, an athlete or team can earn millions. Therefore they are willing (and generally able) to pay a high price for them. Ounce for ounce, PEDs are probably vastly more expensive than street drugs, so even though the quantity sold is much less than recreational drugs, the overall dollar amount spent could be the same or greater.

PED's can be valuable but the market just isn't there for them to come close to recreational drugs. Even just one recreational drug market like cocaine is going to be so much bigger.

Just look at the wealth of the people who are in charge of the recreational drug trades. It's so massive.

 

[Maxiton]

...was "a huge shock" to read Italian research demonstrating the scale of the sport drugs market: "bigger economically than the combination of marijuana, cocaine, and heroin."

Thankfully not in Britain..

Is there a source for that? Typing it into google I found this - http://www.heraldscotland.com/sport/14416184.Former_WADA_president_Dick_Pound_believes_sport_is_digging_own_grave_with_doping_and_internal_politics/ but no actual source on the research. Instead that same sentence seems to have been used in an article on cyber crime.

In either case I can't see how anyone could conclude that PED's are a bigger market than recreational drugs.

Maybe because street drugs are relatively cheap and self-administered, whereas PEDs involve laboratories, staying on the cutting edge, use of doctors, and in general are not cheap. With the right PEDs, carefully administered, an athlete or team can earn millions. Therefore they are willing (and generally able) to pay a high price for them. Ounce for ounce, PEDs are probably vastly more expensive than street drugs, so even though the quantity sold is much less than recreational drugs, the overall dollar amount spent could be the same or greater.

PED's can be valuable but the market just isn't there for them to come close to recreational drugs. Even just one recreational drug market like cocaine is going to be so much bigger.

Just look at the wealth of the people who are in charge of the recreational drug trades. It's so massive.

Maybe so, but there's certainly plenty of money to be made in PEDs.

 

[The Hitch]

Oh definitely. That's one of the main reasons I don't think PED's can be stopped.As a business its too lucrative.

 

[thehog]

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Oh definitely. That's one of the main reasons I don't think PED's can be stopped.As a business its too lucrative.

Exactly. You think Cookson shutdown a global blackmarket and distribution for PEDs?!

Lol! He can't even instill rules for motos in races.

Makers of Chinese EPO were scared off by the bio passport, lol!

 

[The Hitch]

Britain lecturing the world on morality? That’s rich

http://www.theguardian.com/commentisfree/2016/apr/10/britains-struggle-free-world-morality-tax-avoidance

A sarcastic take on how Britain is no better than many of the countries it criticises for wrongdoings. I wonder why I posted it in his thread?

The final paragraph should strike a chord here: "The next time you’re in London to collect your latest batch of Eurofighters take a note of every time you hear British people congratulating themselves on being the most enlightened and civilised country in the known universe. Then ask yourself why they all look the other way when this is all happening. Their passivity can be bought cheaply with a few royal babies; some gold medals at the next Olympic Games and arranging another one of their wars against another third world country."

On this subject, remember this story form a month ago

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/science/science-news/12189003/Britain-has-most-honest-citizens-in-the-world...-because-politicians-are-less-corrupt.html

 

[thehog]

Brits at it again

Did she REALLY do it?

Towie star James Argent's sister accused of cheating in London Marathon after time sheet shows her appearing to run last 20km in under 50 minutes

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/tvshowbiz/article-3558243/James-Argent-s-sister-Natasha-accused-cheating-London-marathon-eagle-eyed-fans-suspicious-time-sheet.html

 

[SeriousSam]

Wouldn't be the first marathon con by a non-professional athlete. Did you guys follow the story about the Boston Marathon Dad? Hilarious, and highly recommended.

The letsrun bros went all in and offered a 100k gamble if he can run that quick again under verifiable conditions. He declined thus far.

 

[The Hitch]

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Wouldn't be the first marathon con by a non-professional athlete. Did you guys follow the story about the Boston Marathon Dad? Hilarious, and highly recommended.

The letsrun bros went all in and offered a 100k gamble if he can run that quick again under verifiable conditions. He declined thus far.

Hahahaha.

Never seen that before, but reading the evidence letsrun presented, eg

1) Mike Rossi’s running background clearly indicates he was not physically capable of running a 3:11:45 marathon.

hmmm which athletes who's names appear in this thread does that remind me of?

 

[Semper Fidelis]

Brits at it again

Did she REALLY do it?

Towie star James Argent's sister accused of cheating in London Marathon after time sheet shows her appearing to run last 20km in under 50 minutes

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/tvshowbiz/article-3558243/James-Argent-s-sister-Natasha-accused-cheating-London-marathon-eagle-eyed-fans-suspicious-time-sheet.html

This is old but pretty good. What a cheat.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=x7aJJ2xUlgQ

 

[Benotti69]

British cycling announce an investigation. Probably taking leaf out of Team Sky book, start it and never publish it.

 

[SeriousSam]

Did anyone listen to Tyson Fury's press conference and interview?

He's said be believes all top level athletes are doping, except him. He's only on weed, ecstasy and cocaine.

 

[snccdcno]

Not really sure where to post this given we don't know the name so I guess here

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/sport/othersports/article-3564406/Leading-GB-Cyclist-fails-drugs-test-British-Cycling-plunged-crisis.html

 

[Irondan]

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Not really sure where to post this given we don't know the name so I guess here

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/sport/othersports/article-3564406/Leading-GB-Cyclist-fails-drugs-test-British-Cycling-plunged-crisis.html

Geraint Thomas?

 

[Benotti69]

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Not really sure where to post this given we don't know the name so I guess here

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/sport/othersports/article-3564406/Leading-GB-Cyclist-fails-drugs-test-British-Cycling-plunged-crisis.html

big hint

...a road specialist but a former star of the British track team, tested positive in a race in France last month.

another hint

The rider’s father refused to provide contact details for his son or his representatives.

 

[luckyboy]

That one surely needs a new thread. Woah

 

[HelloDolly]

Breaking News !!
Mail reports that British cyclist—road specialist, former world track champion—tested positive in France last month

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/sport/othersports/article-3564406/Leading-GB-Cyclist-fails-drugs-test-British-Cycling-plunged-crisis.html

 

[Swifty's Cakes]

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Not really sure where to post this given we don't know the name so I guess here

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/sport/othersports/article-3564406/Leading-GB-Cyclist-fails-drugs-test-British-Cycling-plunged-crisis.html

Geraint Thomas?

Ben Swift fits the bill as well, Track world champ now a road specialist.

If its Thomas will Contador claim the win as part of his palmares?

Edit: Dan Benson saying its not a sky rider

 

[DNP-Old]

This either is Geraint Thomas or one of the Yates brothers.

 

[DNP-Old]

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Not really sure where to post this given we don't know the name so I guess here

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/sport/othersports/article-3564406/Leading-GB-Cyclist-fails-drugs-test-British-Cycling-plunged-crisis.html

Geraint Thomas?

Ben Swift fits the bill as well, Track world champ now a road specialist.

Is Ben Swift a contestant for the Rio squad? Me thinks not. And he sure as hell wouldn't be a leader.

 

[HelloDolly]

Wont be Thomas as would not be riding in Romandie ...My money is on Kennaugh

 

[Benotti69]

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This either is Geraint Thomas or one of the Yates brothers.

Didn't know Yates brothers were former world champs