Brits don't dope?

[gooner]

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I'm not seeing this alone through Radcliffe but this discussion is the exact reason why I'm generally against athletes releasing their blood profile. It's a trial by media and the general public.

Anything out of line and the guilty verdict is declared and with that in mind, an innocent athlete could easily be dragged down irrespective of the context of it all. No one ever takes that into consideration.

There is no open mind to it.

Simple solution is to be transparent and release all her blood profiles and let those who set up the ABP give their opinions.

What would matter would be the opinions of Ross Tucker and Ashenden.

But Sport has long since left the arena where athletes are to accorded fair hearings. Fans of sport have been cheated time and time again. Till the sports mend their ways, tough!

OK, Ashenden and Parisotto on Farrah and Bolt then.

What do you think?

The bold is an absurd point.

Did you read Jack Robertson response to the McLaren report.

“Those involved in running sport are former athletes, so somehow I figured that they would have honor and integrity. But the people in charge are basically raping their sports and the system for self-interest. Sport is seriously broken.”

That's grand and as I said, the whistleblower was concerned at the IAAF not following up on these suspicious values.

That's not what I asked, if you want Ross Tucker and Ashenden to look at these, then what about Bolt and Farah with Ashenden and Parisotto?

Those ones weren't suspicious. If you're calling for this, then I take it you must see some value from it in helping to believe in an athlete. Is that so?

 

[Benotti69]

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I'm not seeing this alone through Radcliffe but this discussion is the exact reason why I'm generally against athletes releasing their blood profile. It's a trial by media and the general public.

Anything out of line and the guilty verdict is declared and with that in mind, an innocent athlete could easily be dragged down irrespective of the context of it all. No one ever takes that into consideration.

There is no open mind to it.

Simple solution is to be transparent and release all her blood profiles and let those who set up the ABP give their opinions.

What would matter would be the opinions of Ross Tucker and Ashenden.

But Sport has long since left the arena where athletes are to accorded fair hearings. Fans of sport have been cheated time and time again. Till the sports mend their ways, tough!

OK, Ashenden and Parisotto on Farrah and Bolt then.

What do you think?

The bold is an absurd point.

Did you read Jack Robertson response to the McLaren report.

“Those involved in running sport are former athletes, so somehow I figured that they would have honor and integrity. But the people in charge are basically raping their sports and the system for self-interest. Sport is seriously broken.”

That's grand and as I said, the whistleblower was concerned at the IAAF not following up on these suspicious values.

That's not what I asked, if you want Ross Tucker and Ashenden to look at these, then what about Bolt and Farah with Ashenden and Parisotto?

Those ones weren't suspicious. If you're calling for this, then I take it you must see some value from it in helping to believe in an athlete. Is that so?

We know why Radcliffe wont be transparent.

You think Bolt is clean? I dont. He is not tested in Jamaica. End of.

Who to believe when it is broken?

 

[gooner]

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We know why Radcliffe wont be transparent.

You think Bolt is clean? I dont. He is not tested in Jamaica. End of.

Who to believe when it is broken?

I don't think it means Bolt or Farah are clean.

You put the credibility into experts seeing this and then seem to dismiss it out of hand when an example is provided.

 

[thehog]

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As expected, GB are smashing the Olympic medal table with golds in everything including mens and womens road race.

Things looking much better now, world records included! Good work Team UK :lol:

 

[Eyeballs Out]

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That's grand and as I said, the whistleblower was concerned at the IAAF not following up on these suspicious values.

That's not what I asked, if you want Ross Tucker and Ashenden to look at these, then what about Bolt and Farah with Ashenden and Parisotto?

Those ones weren't suspicious. If you're calling for this, then I take it you must see some value from it in helping to believe in an athlete. Is that so?

Ashenden and Parisotto did indeed state that there was nothing suspicious about the Bolt and Farah profiles that they examined. Do we know how many samples Farah's profile involved ? Given his penchant for missing tests it might not be too many. Plus of course these are just bloods, essentially looking for blood doping. It would be surprising I think if Bolt was using transfusions

 

[kwikki]

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As expected, GB are smashing the Olympic medal table with golds in everything including mens and womens road race.

Things looking much better now, world records included! Good work Team UK :lol:

Yes, I think I spoke too soon.

I'm looking forward to GB winning the 100m.

 

[bigcog]

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As expected, GB are smashing the Olympic medal table with golds in everything including mens and womens road race.

Things looking much better now, world records included! Good work Team UK :lol:

Yes, I think I spoke too soon.

I'm looking forward to GB winning the 100m.

Don't tar the UK road cyclists with the same brush as the trackies

 

[The Hitch]

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I'm not seeing this alone through Radcliffe but this discussion is the exact reason why I'm generally against athletes releasing their blood profile. It's a trial by media and the general public.

Anything out of line and the guilty verdict is declared and with that in mind, an innocent athlete could easily be dragged down irrespective of the context of it all. No one ever takes that into consideration.

There is no open mind to it.

What were the odds according to Ashenden? 1 in a thousand or something like that that Radcliffe was clean?

Yeah, you are embarrassing yourself.

 

[The Hitch]

Re: Re:

As expected, GB are smashing the Olympic medal table with golds in everything including mens and womens road race.

Things looking much better now, world records included! Good work Team UK :lol:

Yes, I think I spoke too soon.

I'm looking forward to GB winning the 100m.

Don't tar the UK road cyclists with the same brush as the trackies

Since Aicar was invented, aren't they one and the same?

 

[Benotti69]

https://twitter.com/owaindoull/status/764520230353793024

 

[The Hitch]

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https://twitter.com/owaindoull/status/764520230353793024

Wrong link?

 

[SlickMongoose]

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https://twitter.com/owaindoull/status/764520230353793024

The big secret is out - lots of beer!

 

[thehog]

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As expected, GB are smashing the Olympic medal table with golds in everything including mens and womens road race.

Things looking much better now, world records included! Good work Team UK :lol:

Yes, I think I spoke too soon.

I'm looking forward to GB winning the 100m.

Yes, you were rather premature.

 

[gooner]

Re: Re:

I'm not seeing this alone through Radcliffe but this discussion is the exact reason why I'm generally against athletes releasing their blood profile. It's a trial by media and the general public.

Anything out of line and the guilty verdict is declared and with that in mind, an innocent athlete could easily be dragged down irrespective of the context of it all. No one ever takes that into consideration.

There is no open mind to it.

What were the odds according to Ashenden? 1 in a thousand or something like that that Radcliffe was clean?

Yeah, you are embarrassing yourself.

Ah.. which is why I posted my opinion in a general sense. Did you not know that?

 

[Irondan]

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https://twitter.com/owaindoull/status/764520230353793024

I thought that was pretty funny....

Why is this posted in the clinic??

 

[The Hitch]

Re: Re:

I'm not seeing this alone through Radcliffe but this discussion is the exact reason why I'm generally against athletes releasing their blood profile. It's a trial by media and the general public.

Anything out of line and the guilty verdict is declared and with that in mind, an innocent athlete could easily be dragged down irrespective of the context of it all. No one ever takes that into consideration.

There is no open mind to it.

What were the odds according to Ashenden? 1 in a thousand or something like that that Radcliffe was clean?

Yeah, you are embarrassing yourself.

Ah.. which is why I posted my opinion in a general sense. Did you not know that?

Fair enough. You have however defended radcliffe adamantly before and implied that anyone who doubts her is just a loser. So it's not like there's no basis to read your comment that way.

But to debate the point in isolation, first of all trial by media already exists. Only it's far worse than what you paint. People are declared guilty not based on anything doping related, but rather on where they are born. Simply being born turkish, morrocan, russian, Chinese etc. is considered enough to accuse people of doping.

At least if it Was based on actual evidence it would be far more accurate.

Secondly, we see that those accused of doping by the media atm seem to do just fine. This "oh but think of the innocents" argument is just a scare tactic by those who want to maintain the status quo of popular dopers being immune from getting caught. We live in a world where even when athletes get caught doping they make up a tainted supplements story and millions believe they were clean. The media and fan bar for evidence is so high. What innocent athlete is ever going to have their life ruined. Not in a million years. Do you really believe the athletes with dodgy blood values, who work with dodgy doctors, chummy with dopers , lie needlessly at every step and perform better than the elite of the epo era, are clean? Not a chance. No innocent athlete is going to come close to ticking all those boxes

As long as anti doping is corrupt and inefficient, trial by media (or rather trial by fans) is the only thing left.

 

[gooner]

Hitch,

That's what the whistleblower was getting at. It wasn't necessarily guilt. it was the lack of following up action.

I agree, doping docs, dodgy associations, and lies athletes say are there to be analysed and are fair game for fans and media. It's a lot more complex with a blood profile, especially if it's judging in isolation an athlete without having that other evidence against them. Not all those athletes are a 1 in a million chance of being clean. If it was a 100% foolproof, I would be in favour of releasing these publicly. I'm not sure that is the case and that's my worry about an innocent athlete getting dragged down in all this. Mud sticks.

 

[thehog]

Hitch,

That's what the whistleblower was getting at. It wasn't necessarily guilt. it was the lack of following up action.

I agree, doping docs, dodgy associations, and lies athletes say are there to be analysed and are fair game for fans and media. It's a lot more complex with a blood profile, especially if it's judging in isolation an athlete without having that other evidence against them. Not all those athletes are a 1 in a million chance of being clean. If it was a 100% foolproof, I would be in favour of releasing these publicly. I'm not sure that is the case and that's my worry about an innocent athlete getting dragged down in all this. Mud sticks.

Yes, those poor innocent athletes getting dragged down. Which ones are they?

 

[Singer01]

jesus, laura trott is common as ***.
what odds if her and jason kenny both win their next event, them being dame and sir next year?

 

[Digger]

Paula wanted all athletes to release their data in 2002.

She wasn't long changing her tune.

 

[doolols]

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People are declared guilty not based on anything doping related, but rather on where they are born. Simply being born turkish, morrocan, russian, Chinese etc. is considered enough to accuse people of doping.

At least if it Was based on actual evidence it would be far more accurate.

And here, in the "Brits don't dope" thread, British athletes are accused of doping by all and sundry because we're successful. We win, therefore we *must* be doping.

At least for those throwing accusations at athletes from certain other countries, there is clear evidence of a systemic, nationwide doping culture. So far in Britain, all we have is statements like "so-and-so once had a cup of coffee with someone who might have been doping ten years ago". Because, despite the several years of success in certain sports, and despite the movement of personnel between teams in pro cycling, there has never been a whiff of evidence. Evidence, rather than conjecture and suspicion.

 

[kwikki]

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As expected, GB are smashing the Olympic medal table with golds in everything including mens and womens road race.

Things looking much better now, world records included! Good work Team UK :lol:

Yes, I think I spoke too soon.

I'm looking forward to GB winning the 100m.

Yes, you were rather premature.

Placeholder for when GB drops down the medal ranking table

 

[Benotti69]

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People are declared guilty not based on anything doping related, but rather on where they are born. Simply being born turkish, morrocan, russian, Chinese etc. is considered enough to accuse people of doping.

At least if it Was based on actual evidence it would be far more accurate.

And here, in the "Brits don't dope" thread, British athletes are accused of doping by all and sundry because we're successful. We win, therefore we *must* be doping.

At least for those throwing accusations at athletes from certain other countries, there is clear evidence of a systemic, nationwide doping culture. So far in Britain, all we have is statements like "so-and-so once had a cup of coffee with someone who might have been doping ten years ago". Because, despite the several years of success in certain sports, and despite the movement of personnel between teams in pro cycling, there has never been a whiff of evidence. Evidence, rather than conjecture and suspicion.

We win, therefore we *must* be doping.

When testing is easily beaten, when federations are corrupt, when anti doping is corrupt, inept or way underfunded, of course the winners are the dopers.

Maybe you should google international sporting federations and find one that is not involved in some controversy.

The biggest signpost for this is WADA sacking Jack Robertson, whose investigation led him to say the following.

“Those involved in running sport are former athletes, so somehow I figured that they would have honor and integrity. But the people in charge are basically raping their sports and the system for self-interest. Sport is seriously broken.”

 

[The Hitch]

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People are declared guilty not based on anything doping related, but rather on where they are born. Simply being born turkish, morrocan, russian, Chinese etc. is considered enough to accuse people of doping.

At least if it Was based on actual evidence it would be far more accurate.

And here, in the "Brits don't dope" thread, British athletes are accused of doping by all and sundry because we're successful. We win, therefore we *must* be doping.

At least for those throwing accusations at athletes from certain other countries, there is clear evidence of a systemic, nationwide doping culture. So far in Britain, all we have is statements like "so-and-so once had a cup of coffee with someone who might have been doping ten years ago". Because, despite the several years of success in certain sports, and despite the movement of personnel between teams in pro cycling, there has never been a whiff of evidence. Evidence, rather than conjecture and suspicion.

This confirms my theory that to believe all Brits are clean you have to be extremely ignorant. Hate to break it to you Mo Farah was trained for years by Salazar. He didn't "have coffee with him 10 years ago", he was his prodigy as Salazar was uncovered to be running a doping programme. Radcliffe has been uncovered as threatening journalists behind the scenes.

Froome doesn't even drink coffee. Or so he claims in his book as an example of "marginal gains". He was however trained for years by Bobby Jullich. Sky also had Lienders.

And btw, feel free to show me evidence of Morrocan state sponsored doping.

 

[kwikki]

You are misrepresenting doolols.

FWIW I agree with your theory. So does Doolols.