Brits don't dope?

[Dr. Juice]

I thought he was on Telekom for about one year around 96, and then in about 2001 he had two years on Rabobank.

I would like to think he rode clean. Do I believe it, well, I dont believe any cyclist can win a gold medal on the track at the Olympics.

My caveat would be, well, he sucked on the road. I think he may have won a prologue in an 2.2 race like Tour of Normandy, or Tour of Brittany, which is basically ridden by espoirs hoping to score a contract, or the teams like Guimard's VC Roubaix, or La Pomme Marseilles. Plus one or two Russian teams.

I'm sorry, but Bartko was at Telekom from the end of 2000 until the end of 2002.

http://www.spiegel.de/sport/sonst/olympiasieger-bartko-team-telekom-machte-das-rennen-a-98410.html

It was in an investigative piece of journalism about the systematic doping at Telekom when that information came out. The others in the road team did not like to have him around because he wasn't on the juice. He was like a spine in the back for them and they eyed him suspiciously.
He probably left road racing after another 2 years at Rabobank ( at the end of 2004) because he saw what a mess it was. I don't know if he was entirely clean on track , but there is a good possibility he didn't want to undergo a full blown hardcore doping program + transfusions, like it was usual at those teams.

 

[blackcat]

I'm sorry, but Bartko was at Telekom from the end of 2000 until the end of 2002.

http://www.spiegel.de/sport/sonst/olympiasieger-bartko-team-telekom-machte-das-rennen-a-98410.html

It was in an investigative piece of journalism about the systematic doping at Telekom when that information came out. The others in the road team did not like to have him around because he wasn't on the juice. He was like a spine in the back for them and they eyed him suspiciously.
He probably left road racing after another 2 years at Rabobank ( at the end of 2004) because he saw what a mess it was. I don't know if he was entirely clean on track , but there is a good possibility he didn't want to undergo a full blown hardcore doping program + transfusions, like it was usual at those teams.

thanks Dr Juice

were you serving OJ at Freiburg?

 

[neineinei]

Cyclist Banned Following Anti-Doping Rule Violation
UKAD_vs_White_Decision_350.pdf

Jason White handed two-year ban for skipping drugs test

It is so far unclear whether the Jason White named in the UKAD report is the former professional rider from Essex who topped British Cycling’s rankings in 2011

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[MartinGT]

Cyclist Banned Following Anti-Doping Rule Violation
UKAD_vs_White_Decision_350.pdf

Jason White handed two-year ban for skipping drugs test

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Was just about to post this. Laughable

 

[veganrob]

Guess that is one way to not test positive.

 

[sniper]

easy target for UKAD.
wonder what he did to **** them off.
or was it simply time for UKAD to ban some nobody in order to 'be seen to do the right thing'.

 

[MartinGT]

Doping for a National B race, how desperate.

 

[sniper]

This news comes shortly after the newsflash about a lack of testing at British cycling events...(i'm not finding any links to that, but it was discussed here a few days ago, I believe)
Convenient..

 

[bobbins]

Cyclist Banned Following Anti-Doping Rule Violation
UKAD_vs_White_Decision_350.pdf

Jason White handed two-year ban for skipping drugs test

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Keeps his masters track titles though. Wasn't he riding for the same team as that guy who ran away from a control after the Canary wharf tour series the other year?

 

[Wallace and Gromit]

This news comes shortly after the newsflash about a lack of testing at British cycling events...(i'm not finding any links to that, but it was discussed here a few days ago, I believe)
Convenient..

Dan Staite got nabbed in similar circumstances a few years ago. At the level concerned, there are many/most riders (always a few bad apples) who are clean and if a doping rider is notably obnoxious/indiscrete/regularly placing highly, then the authorities are likely to get a tip-off which they are duty bound to investigate.

You'd need to be a pretty optimistic UKADA/BC employee to think that busting one guy having a midlife crisis will enhance anti-doping credentials!

 

[the sceptic]

Keeps his masters track titles though. Wasn't he riding for the same team as that guy who ran away from a control after the Canary wharf tour series the other year?

well, no need to take those away, since track cycling is the cleanest sport in the world there is no chance he was doping there.

 

[Catwhoorg]

Was going to flag up Dan Staite myself in response. He was targeted as the result of a tip-off.

The riders at that level notice if someone improves in a not normal way, and seem to have no qualms about calling the authorities on them.

If only this was the norm for all sports at all levels.

 

[Bernie's eyesore]

well, no need to take those away, since track cycling is the cleanest sport in the world there is no chance he was doping there.

Well said. When you get a team dominating clean like the Brits were under Dave Brailsford then people no longer feel the need to dope. Sadly it's hard to see such a thing happening on the road any time soon with the likes of Contador, Nibali and Horner cleaning up in the Grand Tours whilst doped to the eyeballs.

 

[sniper]

Well said. When you get a team dominating clean like the Brits were under Dave Brailsford then people no longer feel the need to dope. Sadly it's hard to see such a thing happening on the road any time soon with the likes of Contador, Nibali and Horner cleaning up in the Grand Tours whilst doped to the eyeballs.

and you explain Hayles' 50+ hematocrit in 2008 how exactly?
or sky kicking ac's nibb's and CH's asses in several GTs?

i hope you're kidding (trolling being the other option)

 

[Bernie's eyesore]

and you explain Hayles' 50+ hematocrit in 2008 how exactly?
or sky kicking ac's nibb's and CH's asses in several GTs?

i hope you're kidding (trolling being the other option)

Latest revelation, Wiggins and Froome won the Tour on the track! Some of you lot are so angry it seems that you don't even stop to think what you are saying. Incredible!

 

[Dear Wiggo]

Latest revelation, Wiggins and Froome won the Tour on the track! Some of you lot are so angry it seems that you don't even stop to think what you are saying. Incredible!

Newer revelation!!

Sky loving rose coloured glasses wearing Brit rider doping denier still can't see the wood for the trees.

 

[heart_attack_man]

Well said. When you get a team dominating clean like the Brits were under Dave Brailsford then people no longer feel the need to dope. Sadly it's hard to see such a thing happening on the road any time soon with the likes of Contador, Nibali and Horner cleaning up in the Grand Tours whilst doped to the eyeballs.

I feel dumber for having read this post.

 

[Bernie's eyesore]

Newer revelation!!

Sky loving rose coloured glasses wearing Brit rider doping denier still can't see the wood for the trees.

Personally, I have said many times on here that Froome and Wiggins dope. Not sure what point you're making to be honest. Why not criticise your mate Sniper for suggesting that Froome and Wiggins won the Tour in a velodrome?

 

[sniper]

Personally, I have said many times on here that Froome and Wiggins dope. Not sure what point you're making to be honest. Why not criticise your mate Sniper for suggesting that Froome and Wiggins won the Tour in a velodrome?

anyway, what's your view on doping in british track cycling?

 

[Dear Wiggo]

Why not criticise your mate Sniper for suggesting that Froome and Wiggins won the Tour in a velodrome?

Because as a native English speaking Australian, I can tell that's patently false. Sniper did nothing of the sort.

 

[ebandit]

on track

anyway, what's your view on doping in british track cycling?

it's just a small pond................winning gives little evidence of tour winning potential

..........or it's a dopefest..............winners are ideally prepared for tilts at tours

Mark L

 

[MartinGT]

I didnt know where to put this really, so its going here

Richard Moore, one of the biggest bell ends on Twitter.

Yay for dopers.

 

[bobbins]

I didnt know where to put this really, so its going here

Richard Moore, one of the biggest bell ends on Twitter.

Yay for dopers.

He's probably trying to be ironic but doesn't realise that he's a fully paid up member of the current iteration of dope powered USPS type domination. The massive ***.

 

[Freddythefrog]

Our users are 100% positive - taking Mountain Fuel is like having Duracell batteries

So this pair took a supplement that had anabolic steroid matabolites but state they didn't know they were in it, so one gets four months and the other six ! (Why ?)

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/sport/ot...o-compete-again-after-serving-drugs-bans.html

Anyone got any more facts on this case. What was the evidence they put forward that earned them such a inconsequential ban ?

The Supplements Company put out this very helpful post on their facebook page


Mountain Fuel

We are delighted that Rhys Williams and Gareth Warburton are now able to return to training and wish them all the best for the future.
We do not manufacture our own products. They are made for us by a 3rd party manufacturer who we chose because they are Informed Sport accredited.

And then this comedy gold quote at http://mountainfuel.co.uk/about/

"Feedback from those who collaborated in the trials was 100% positive. The individuals involved said that ‘The Mountain Fuel™ Supplements are able to totally sustain the body’s nutritional requirements whether they were training or on expedition / competing.

"Our favorite quote to date is one of our cyclists who compared taking Mountain Fuel to being on Duracell batteries… he said, “I just kept going and going, leaving everyone behind as the ride went on. It was like a Duracell advert!” When asked by his mates if he’d taken anything he put it down to ‘secret training’ and told us were not allowed to sell Mountain Fuel to anyone he rides with!"

However previously the owner held the view that the source of the problems could not be his supplements
http://www.walesonline.co.uk/sport/rhys-williams-gareth-warburton-doping-7512976
Now based out of Brynmawr they were previously based at Eastleigh Hants..

 

[Dear Wiggo]

I read on twitter it was a designer steroid - ie not your run of the mill variety. No idea as to the veracity of this claim.