Brits don't dope?

[Briant_Gumble]

The people who said it was inevitable that the British doper's name would come out still think that?

There has to be more reveleations with **** Pounds enquiry.

 

[keeponrollin]

There has to be more reveleations with **** Pounds enquiry.

Not to mention that Coe is running for the IAAF job & the opposition would love to embarrass him, & UK Athletics in general, by leaking ?

Every Sports Journalist in the UK knows the names on the list, they just need someone else to report the name, & take the heat, & then they can report the fact that someone has named the name.

...

Unless there's another super-injunction out there that we don't know about

 

[blackcat]

it's a pity nobody opened a Clinic thread on Paula Radcliffe, preferably with an explicit as possible title.
i'm probably guilty of overestimating the impact of the Clinic, but who knows, if we throw the press some bones, somebody might bite.

on a side, credit to Race Radio for putting himself in the line of fire with that tweet.
I'd be curious to hear from him about the kind of reactions he's received to that tweet. Would he have received any (legal) threats?

it was as innocent a tweet as imaginable, and apart from us Clinic 12, now 14, no one would know about RR. Albergotti and OConnell who would be really on RR feed and Paula's tail? the press dont wanna know, they dont need to legal issues, especially with the precarious state of the press

 

[ferryman]

My unscientific discussions with my sis in law on Bilharzia turned out to be just that, I'm afraid. So, no great insight other than her personal experiences growing up in SA. As kids they were well aware of it and what to look out for symptom wise (mainly lethargy). Some of her friends did contract it and were treated with a course of 'very big' pills. One had to crunch it in to her breakfast cereal!. She was not aware of reinfection occurring after initial treatment but couldn't say it couldn't happen. She was, however, very dismissive of it not being found in any routine blood test and the fact anyone had to travel back to SA for treatment....

 

[Dear Wiggo]

My unscientific discussions with my sis in law on Bilharzia turned out to be just that, I'm afraid. So, no great insight other than her personal experiences growing up in SA. As kids they were well aware of it and what to look out for symptom wise (mainly lethargy). Some of her friends did contract it and were treated with a course of 'very big' pills. One had to crunch it in to her breakfast cereal!. She was not aware of reinfection occurring after initial treatment but couldn't say it couldn't happen. She was, however, very dismissive of it not being found in any routine blood test and the fact anyone had to travel back to SA for treatment....

how quickly did the lethargy appear?
i would have thought the rash symptom would have been mentioned, curious.

thanks for sharing.

 

[ferryman]

how quickly did the lethargy appear?
i would have thought the rash symptom would have been mentioned, curious.

thanks for sharing.

As they were aware of it, quickly. I did ask about prolonged infection without treatment and its symptoms but she wasn't sure because in her experience it simply didn't happen. But, that's not evidence it couldn't have happened in Froome's case.

If truth be told, and at the risk of 'your just a pathetic sky basher', she was pretty bemused about it all after I explained why I was quizzing her...

In her words...'it really was no big deal but you had to be aware of it...' So, there is an out there for Froome if he didn't know about Bilharzia growing up in Africa and what the symptoms to look out for were....

 

[thehog]

As they were aware of it, quickly. I did ask about prolonged infection without treatment and its symptoms but she wasn't sure because in her experience it simply didn't happen. But, that's not evidence it couldn't have happened in Froome's case.

If truth be told, and at the risk of 'your just a pathetic sky basher', she was pretty bemused about it all after I explained why I was quizzing her...

In her words...'it really was no big deal but you had to be aware of it...' So, there is an out there for Froome if he didn't know about Bilharzia growing up in Africa and what the symptoms to look out for were....

But he caught it (apparently) in his adult years and not in his youth. Supposedly after some time in Europe he caught it on a trip back home.

I think the key point is blood testing. Its very regular and all GPs do it even if they've ever heard of Badzhilla. Its standard when a patients complains of symptoms which are beyond just feeling down for a day or two. Those preliminary tests allow for results which can look further or with more blood tests. You don't actually need to look for Badzhilla just a reason within the blood that a patient might feel off colour.

The story about asking the UCI to look for it was laughable and he quickly changed his story on that one.

But thanks for the updates. Very interesting.

 

[Digger]

He has exercise induced asthma - but then Cound says he has had it since he was a kid - unless he was doing pro athlete training as a kid, I don't see how these two statements can be reconciled.

 

[Granville57]

He has exercise induced asthma - but then Cound says he has had it since he was a kid

Oh, I had just assumed that she was referring to his BS factor, not the asthma per se.

 

[Briant_Gumble]

it was as innocent a tweet as imaginable, and apart from us Clinic 12, now 14, no one would know about RR. Albergotti and OConnell who would be really on RR feed and Paula's tail? the press dont wanna know, they dont need to legal issues, especially with the precarious state of the press

The Race Radio has 14 thousand followers on Twitter.

 

[Briant_Gumble]

*24 thousand followers.

 

[Granville57]

The Race Radio has 14 thousand followers on Twitter.

*24 thousand followers.

If I'm interpreting that correctly, one post in this thread, and within 60 seconds Race Radio gained 10,000 followers.

That is the power of The Clinic.

 

[D-Queued]

If I'm interpreting that correctly, one post in this thread, and within 60 seconds Race Radio gained 10,000 followers.

That is the power of The Clinic.

Whoa! Who knew? Certainly not JV with his dirty dozen comment.

Dave.

 

[blackcat]

Whoa! Who knew? Certainly not JV with his dirty dozen comment.

Dave.

we are now a tumescent 14 Dave. <unctuous wink emoticon>
but breaking news. brits still dont dope

hurrah. heil to empire crew

 

[thehog]

He has exercise induced asthma - but then Cound says he has had it since he was a kid - unless he was doing pro athlete training as a kid, I don't see how these two statements can be reconciled.

Which means you take your medication prior to exercise not during.

He doesn't have asthma. He just uses it to cheat. Considering most of the field is doing the same it's probably a level playing field on that front

 

[blackcat]

Which means you take your medication prior to exercise not during.

He doesn't have asthma. He just uses it to cheat. Considering most of the field is doing the same it's probably a level playing field on that front

yes, a leveling of the asthma. earth is flat and all that jazz. like Amgen sponsoring Tour of California. Would they still sponsor it after the Reasoned Decision?

 

[The Hitch]

As they were aware of it, quickly. I did ask about prolonged infection without treatment and its symptoms but she wasn't sure because in her experience it simply didn't happen. But, that's not evidence it couldn't have happened in Froome's case.

If truth be told, and at the risk of 'your just a pathetic sky basher', she was pretty bemused about it all after I explained why I was quizzing her...

In her words...'it really was no big deal but you had to be aware of it...' So, there is an out there for Froome if he didn't know about Bilharzia growing up in Africa and what the symptoms to look out for were....

An out from what?

Do you know what the case against Froome is?
Its not something that would be explained by him not knowing what Bilharzia is. It doesn't matter if he knew or not, its really irrelevant to the whole thing.

That said, one of the articles about Froome's schisto pre 2013 Tour (telegraph) said that 2 of Froome's brothers had Bilharzia growing up, so no Froome wouldn't have an out there, yes he was aware of it (also Cound said she growing up was always told about its dangers). But as I said it really doesn't matter in the wider scheme of things.

 

[blackcat]

An out from what?

Do you know what the case against Froome is?
Its not something that would be explained by him not knowing what Bilharzia is. It doesn't matter if he knew or not, its really irrelevant to the whole thing.

That said, one of the articles about Froome's schisto pre 2013 Tour (telegraph) said that 2 of Froome's brothers had Bilharzia growing up, so no Froome wouldn't have an out there, yes he was aware of it (also Cound said she growing up was always told about its dangers). But as I said it really doesn't matter in the wider scheme of things.

but Cound is the mouthpiece. the lady macbeth. we cant believe her more than we can believe cath and bradly wiggins and froome himself.

if his brothers did indeed have balharzia, it would be a decent, tho not quite cancer, invented justification why he sucked all those years.

but no one has explained why he and Ryder and Wiggins have all turned up close to 10% below their former fighting weight, which was fighting weight for a pro athlete in a ~5 hour a day, caloric equilibrium, endurance sport.

You just cant drop a lazy kg here or there in prime season, when you need to be operating at caloric equilibrium, not in deficit, as you cannot reach peak fitness going into deficit and hunger flat each ride you are looking to increase your threshold.

Wiggo and the BC track squad, cant oscillate between track and road, and vary their weight by ~10% pending if they are on boards v asphalt. Thats BS. Take a look at pre-2004. OGrady, Brown, Mcgee, Renshaw, Lancaster. They may have been one kg heavier on the asphalt than the road when they flicked back for Worlds or Olympics.

So lets assume on average, they were 73 kg. On the road. They may have averaged 74kg on the track. Thats a little less than 1.5%.

But Wiggo and Froome and Ryder come in circa 10% lower? And the BC track squad flit back and forth and can go up and down by 5% within weeks.

nah, this is BS. The Australian trackies were pros and watched their diet too. BC have now found the elixir. yeah right.

 

[The Hitch]

But he caught it (apparently) in his adult years and not in his youth. Supposedly after some time in Europe he caught it on a trip back home.

I'm sorry to be a bit of a **** here hog, since I do know you are capable of good contributions to the Sky threads (even if many times you do post beneath that level), epsecially when it comes to the research and memory you have of dw's books, but I don't like the posts on here about Bilharzia that are made without wider research into the subject.

I don't like it because its what the Sky trolls feed on, and not a single one of the Sky posters who has actually made a comment on Bilharzia here, has so much as looked up on google what the disease actually is.

Unfortuantely that is also true of a lot of the anti sky posters on here who have some vague idea having read some posts on here about that Froome isn't truthful about Bilharzia but aren't fully sure what and therefore make guesses that often fall short of the mark.

Preamble over, here is what I wanted to say.

If you had done some research on Bilharzia hog, you would know that Schistomiasis mansoni die out naturally after 6-8 years anyway. So in the exception of very very very rare cases where a few worms have survived longer, even if you don't get your Bilharzia discovered and treated, you will still be cured after 8 years because the worms simply die out themselves.

Therefore, of course Froome wouldn't have gotten Bilharzia in his youth.

 

[blackcat]

I'm sorry to be a bit of a **** here hog, since I do know you are capable of good contributions to the Sky threads (even if many times you do post beneath that level), epsecially when it comes to the research and memory you have of dw's books, but I don't like the posts on here about Bilharzia that are made without wider research into the subject.

I don't like it because its what the Sky trolls feed on, and not a single one of the Sky posters who has actually made a comment on Bilharzia here, has so much as looked up on google what the disease actually is.

Unfortuantely that is also true of a lot of the anti sky posters on here who have some vague idea having read some posts on here about that Froome isn't truthful about Bilharzia but aren't fully sure what and therefore make guesses that often fall short of the mark.

Preamble over, here is what I wanted to say.

If you had done some research on Bilharzia hog, you would know that Schistomiasis mansoni die out naturally after 6-8 years anyway. So in the exception of very very very rare cases where a few worms have survived longer, even if you don't get your Bilharzia discovered and treated, you will still be cured after 8 years because the worms simply die out themselves.

Therefore, of course Froome wouldn't have gotten Bilharzia in his youth.

most are just anti-BS. Which you conveniently conflate as anti-Sky.

I was p'raps the first on the board, who provided some big-ups to Froome and his ability.

because folks mock cycling teams like USPS and Sky, has nothing to do with anti-Sky or racist rhetoric. It is just swimming in the absurd that cycling itself invites.

 

[The Hitch]

She was not aware of reinfection occurring after initial treatment but couldn't say it couldn't happen.

Of course reinfection can happen after treatment. That is the whole point of the WHO reccomended approach to the treatment of schistosomiasis in endemic areas. They recommend pills of PZQ every 6 months because they expect a % of the local population to get (re)infected. Handing out pills every 6 months is cheaper and more efficient than testing everyone for it all the time when you know people are going to keep getting it.
(Its also possible precisely because PZQ has no major sideffects which makes Froome's claims that he was some bedridden zombie for weeks everytime he took the tablet absolutely laughable)

The big tablet you refer to is Praziquantel. What Praziquantel does is it kills the worms.
Schistosomiasis are just that. Worms that go into the blood stream when man enters the water. PZQ kills them.
But when man enters the water again the worms enter the blood stream again.
Then PZQ kills the worms again. It is a simple process. Or rather cycle Shown in many diagrams. The drugs don't break the cycle so the cycle just repeats itself over and over. PZQ doesn't immunize the body from Bilharzia, it simply kills the Bilharzia that is already there. Just like how Asprin won't make you immune from headaches for the rest of your life, but will soften the headache you feel right now.

Froome could not be reinfected however. Because he is in Europe not Africa (/Asia/ Carribean South America). Unless he decided to go straight back to Kenya and straight back into the water. And he did that 5 times in a row. Which would be pretty clear evidence that he is deliberately going back to Africa to get bilharzia as a way of subverting the blood passport.
There are other ways it would not make sense but I'll leave them out for now.

Froome defenders can pick their poison. Either Froome never got reinfected after the original succesful treatment in August 2011 or he deliberately kept getting himself reinfected. Either way he is clearly lying and there is no defense.

But Sky fans probably know that there is no way the Froome clean myth survives his Bilharzia lies. Which is why they have no response to Bilharzia. Other than ignoring Bilharzia and waiting for other discussions to come up in these threads. Which surprise surprise is the tactic all those who believe in Sky take

 

[thehog]

I'm sorry to be a bit of a **** here hog, since I do know you are capable of good contributions to the Sky threads (even if many times you do post beneath that level), epsecially when it comes to the research and memory you have of dw's books, but I don't like the posts on here about Bilharzia that are made without wider research into the subject.

I don't like it because its what the Sky trolls feed on, and not a single one of the Sky posters who has actually made a comment on Bilharzia here, has so much as looked up on google what the disease actually is.

Unfortuantely that is also true of a lot of the anti sky posters on here who have some vague idea having read some posts on here about that Froome isn't truthful about Bilharzia but aren't fully sure what and therefore make guesses that often fall short of the mark.

Preamble over, here is what I wanted to say.

If you had done some research on Bilharzia hog, you would know that Schistomiasis mansoni die out naturally after 6-8 years anyway. So in the exception of very very very rare cases where a few worms have survived longer, even if you don't get your Bilharzia discovered and treated, you will still be cured after 8 years because the worms simply die out themselves.

Therefore, of course Froome wouldn't have gotten Bilharzia in his youth.

Got it Hitch. I stick the sandshoes you stick to the Badzhila

I think we're saying the same thing though but I won't argue. I've already stated your knowledge is far superior to mine on the subject matter.

 

[ebandit]

dope

brits dope...............it's well documented in sanctions / confessions

it goes with the occupation of being a competitive sportsman

the brit's who would NEVER dope are non competitive types like myself
who don't compete

so radcliffe was doping and there is possibility that wiggo / froome were doping

that stiff upper lip crap always was a myth and should not be repeated

Mark L

 

[King Of The Wolds]

And the BC track squad flit back and forth and can go up and down by 5% within weeks.

.

Who's done this?

 

[More Strides than Rides]

This could go in a few threads, but I'll post it here:

AW uncovers apparent severe lack of drugs testing at UK road races

Although "uncovered" might be overstating the actual work the journalists did. It is no secret that low key races cannot afford testing, which is why there is a brand of runner that only runs these races.