Brits don't dope?

[sniper]

the intolerance concerns the nitpicking leading to lengthy pages of useless back and forth postings about the definition of "fact", "evidence", etc.
the intolerance doesn't concern you having a contrary view.

if you think they're clean, tell us why, so we can engage in reasonable debate.

 

[Catwhoorg]

Change of pace:

Dean Colclough (currently serving an 8 year ban for possession and trafficking) was the focus of some investigative journalism by BBC Wales.

Summary: After he was banned he continued to produce and supply Class C prohibited steroids (and prohormones). Hopefully the police will open a criminal case in this matter.

 

[TheSpud]

You choose to believe SpudVickers who has not linked said article and yet not me.

Tells us a lot really.

Firstly I am not vickers (as you, septic, and The Hog have been previously warned about accusing me of), secondly how can I link a story behind a paywall? You said you couldn't link to it in post 1586 and now you expect me to?

If I could work out how to post pictures maybe I could screenshot certain bits, or maybe other people could pay the ?1. I signed up to read it because I didn't seem to remember this specific accusation before, that's all.

 

[The Hitch]

Millar riding for Gb at the Olympics is made doubly funny when one thinks of Walsh's **** and bull story about sky staff hating dopers so much they rip their pictures out of tour guides.

 

[bobbins]

you dont think this is not a comment more appropriate for empire crew. the clinic12 have had to put up with this $hit for years since wigans and froome and sky started winning, and we had the homers who started following the sport on the back of the british track cycling program and hoy and wigans, and the team pursuiters doing a heist at the track, then ruperts money at sky finally paying off, and knighthoods?

and you have a whine when i invoke gordonstoun and muscular christianity?

you jest surely?

the difference between the clinic12 and the empire crew, we know they all dope, and we know that if something is too good to be true in cycling, it will inevitably be

Invoking what? Whatever translation site you are using is obviously not working as what you are posting is irrelevant ********.

Empire Crew and Clinic 12 - is this high school?

 

[bobbins]

that's an interesting issue.

Bobbins unfortunately disappeared after I questioned his source stating the GB track team was and/or is 100% clean.

Hayles 50+ hematocrit, Brailsford, Brailsford recruiting Millar, total domination men+women, laughable testing, attractive risk-reward ratio, etc...

I see nothing there that would suggest a clean track team.

The same person who told me that the road team are dodgy. If they are lying, is the road team clean?

I've not heard anything to suggest that the track team are dirty. Not sure the risk/reward ratio is attractive. They'd lose all of their funding if they were dirty. That's a lot of people out of work, lots of enemies to make.

The way they approached the track - cherry pick events, deal with fitness rather than tactics indicates that it is most likely to be clean.

Brailsford is very dodgy though. Has there ever been any suggestion that dodgy riders were pulled from Athens after internal tests?

 

[The Hitch]

the thing is, once one accepts that the Olympics are doped to the rafters, as they clearly are, it's hard to believe the real top guys anyway, like hoy were dominating in such a dodgy era clean.

But of course they aren't in the same stratosphere of dodgyness as the clearly doped road team.

 

[sniper]

thanks bobbins. appreciate the insight. Few questions/comments:

The same person who told me that the road team are dodgy. If they are lying, is the road team clean?

'dodgy' as in probably gearing up on tramadol and cortisone with TUEs? or 'dodgy' as in probably taking genuinely illegal PEDs?

I've not heard anything to suggest that the track team are dirty.

What era was your source covering when he said they're clean? Does it include the Hayles era, or starting after Hayles' retirement? We do agree that Hayles was manipulating his hematocrit in 2008, or do we?

Not sure the risk/reward ratio is attractive. They'd lose all of their funding if they were dirty. That's a lot of people out of work, lots of enemies to make.

The GB track team and their success runs straight through the dark era of road cycling. Was anybody in the dark era of road cycling worried about sponsorships or jobs? Perhaps they were, but did it keep them from doping? Not really. Why would track cycling be (or have been) any different?

The way they approached the track - cherry pick events, deal with fitness rather than tactics indicates that it is most likely to be clean.

either i don't really follow you, or, if i do, i think it's a flawed argument. Nadal also cherry picks his events.

Brailsford is very dodgy though. Has there ever been any suggestion that dodgy riders were pulled from Athens after internal tests?

Are you in the know about such practices? If you are, that's very interesting, though again it goes against the 100% clean claim...

 

[bobbins]

thanks bobbins. appreciate the insight. Few questions/comments:
'dodgy' as in probably gearing up on tramadol and cortisone with TUEs? or 'dodgy' as in probably taking genuinely illegal PEDs?

What era was your source covering when he said they're clean? Does it include the Hayles era, or starting after Hayles' retirement? We do agree that Hayles was manipulating his hematocrit in 2008, or do we?

The GB track team and their success runs straight through the dark era of road cycling. Was anybody in the dark era of road cycling worried about sponsorships or jobs? Perhaps they were, but did it keep them from doping? Not really. Why would track cycling be (or have been) any different?

either i don't really follow you, or, if i do, i think it's a flawed argument. Nadal also cherry picks his events.

Are you in the know about such practices? If you are, that's very interesting, though again it goes against the 100% clean claim...

1 - the lot

2 - The whole lot. I genuinely think Hayles was either doing it solo or just a natural high reading. It isn't hard to go over 50% if you have a natural high HCT. Seriously, it is easy to go over.

3 - I can only go on what I've been told and I believe that they were. Hoy etc are clean and I've not heard anything to suggest otherwise.

4 - Yeah, not a team sanctioned program but an internal test showed issues so riders are quietly dropped.

 

[TheSpud]

you dont think this is not a comment more appropriate for empire crew. the clinic12 have had to put up with this $hit for years since wigans and froome and sky started winning, and we had the homers who started following the sport on the back of the british track cycling program and hoy and wigans, and the team pursuiters doing a heist at the track, then ruperts money at sky finally paying off, and knighthoods?

and you have a whine when i invoke gordonstoun and muscular christianity?

you jest surely?

the difference between the clinic12 and the empire crew, we know they all dope, and we know that if something is too good to be true in cycling, it will inevitably be

Is it heavy?

 

[ebandit]

sky

Millar riding for Gb at the Olympics is made doubly funny when one thinks of Walsh's **** and bull story about sky staff hating dopers so much they rip their pictures out of tour guides.

this is NOT the sky thread.........but brits don't dope? thread

british olympic committee did try and ban millar from competing at the olympics

Mark L

 

[Benotti69]

Millar riding for Gb at the Olympics is made doubly funny when one thinks of Walsh's **** and bull story about sky staff hating dopers so much they rip their pictures out of tour guides.

To be pedantic, only some dopers like Virenque, but Gentleman Tom not so, he is revered.

 

[Benotti69]

this is NOT the sky thread.........but brits don't dope? thread

british olympic committee did try and ban millar from competing at the olympics

Mark L

We are talking about why Brailsford was in Bairritz discussing Greek Olympics with Millar when his sister knew he was a doper. If his sister knew, so did Brailsford.

 

[Benotti69]

Brits dont dope? But some Brits fully approve of dopers....

https://twitter.com/UCI_cycling/status/572801662391205888/photo/1

Cookson's poster boy a known doper of which he said this about....

https://twitter.com/Spitinthesoup/status/572828498995388416/photo/1

Defend that one fanboys..

 

[SundayRider]

Brits dont dope? But some Brits fully approve of dopers....

https://twitter.com/UCI_cycling/status/572801662391205888/photo/1

Cookson's poster boy a known doper of which he said this about....

https://twitter.com/Spitinthesoup/status/572828498995388416/photo/1

Defend that one fanboys..

Typical politican - saying one thing when trying to gain power, doing a different thing when actually in power.

 

[ebandit]

ben

Defend that one fanboys..

benny the issue is not fans.............but dopers and facilitators

Mark L

 

[Benotti69]

benny the issue is not fans.............but dopers and facilitators

Mark L

Fans facilitate doping as well with their blind loyalty.

 

[Bernie's eyesore]

Brits dont dope? But some Brits fully approve of dopers....

https://twitter.com/UCI_cycling/status/572801662391205888/photo/1

Cookson's poster boy a known doper of which he said this about....

https://twitter.com/Spitinthesoup/status/572828498995388416/photo/1

Defend that one fanboys..

It's pretty sad that anyone who points out your persistent lies is immediately labelled by you as a fanboy. Most of the people you give this label to either believe that Froome and Wiggins are doping or accept the possibility that they probably are. I suppose it's a bullying tactic to try and discourage people off from pointing out your constant drivel. Thankfully it rarely seems to work.

 

[cycladianpirate]

Of course Brits don't dope! Honestly! That chap Froome probably used to dope when he was...Kenyan?...South African?, but the moment he got a British passport he was IMMUNE to doping. It just wouldn't work on a Brit.

It's a scientific fact.

 

[sniper]

Thank you for the "not in an offensive way" concession, but I was not trolling in any way at all. Nor did I use yesterday the word "nitpicking" that you mention. I have no idea what inspired you to suggest so.

However, those who decided to have a go afterwards and in a calculated manner insult me have made it clear that there are a few people who are unable to tolerate a contrary view to their own.

Benotti was wrong about Brailsford in his specific accusation of a particular lie, which The Spud has clearly established, and I don't really see a reason to accuse anyone of lying if you can't support it. Benotti was not man enough to admit it either.

Now a number of other people jump on the bandwagon to share the joy at the posts that refer to a PROFESSIONAL FOOL, intending to refer to me.

Well I am not so foolish as to imagine that this will improve and that certain people will be prepared to live and let live and show even the slightest human respect and kindness.

That being so, I have decided not to waste any more time posting in the Clinic, not because our respective opinions may be different but because of the almost complete intolerance shown to me.

Cheerio to you all. I hope you all enjoy the 2015 season as I will, as well as such cycle sport and competition as you may indulge in yourselves.

apologies, my previous post was a bit harsh.
do stick around, wrinklyvet.
your different.
different is good.

1 - the lot

2 - The whole lot. I genuinely think Hayles was either doing it solo or just a natural high reading. It isn't hard to go over 50% if you have a natural high HCT. Seriously, it is easy to go over.

3 - I can only go on what I've been told and I believe that they were. Hoy etc are clean and I've not heard anything to suggest otherwise.

4 - Yeah, not a team sanctioned program but an internal test showed issues so riders are quietly dropped.

thanks for expanding, appreciate it.

the thing is, once one accepts that the Olympics are doped to the rafters, as they clearly are, it's hard to believe the real top guys anyway, like hoy were dominating in such a dodgy era clean.
But of course they aren't in the same stratosphere of dodgyness as the clearly doped road team.

agreed.

 

[Franklin]

you dont think this is not a comment more appropriate for empire crew. the clinic12 have had to put up with this $hit for years since wigans and froome and sky started winning

And there I thought the majority of posters here is sceptical about doping and is being duped by the media.

Guess the 12 are really that special by monopolizing the subject and fighting the good fight, lonely and unsupported.

 

[Hawkwood]

Nope. Wrong. You jumped into a discussion relating to Brailsford trying to put a huge distance between himself and Millar.

Want to address what Brailsford was doing getting a known doper to ride for TeamGB at Greek Olympics?

I was responding to this post by you:

`Originally Posted by Benotti69 View Post
Paul Kimmage addressed it in his big article with Brailsford at the beginning of Sky. It is also the interview where Braislford showed Kimmage 'the tome of ZTP' which as we know got junked after 1 year.

Cant link the article cos it is behind a paywall.

It is common knowledge (apparently except to Sky fans) that Brailsford did a runner soon as the French cops let him go after he was arrested with Millar and Millars sister (IIRC).

Go look back through articles at the time of David Millar's arrest and see if Brailsford is mentioned as having been with Millar at the time of the arrest and also held in a French police station for 24 hours.'

As you know what I posted appeared to contradict what you claimed about Brailsford doing a runner. I was not addressing your point about Millar going to Greece because you didn't make that point.

 

[The Hitch]

this is NOT the sky thread.........but brits don't dope? thread

british olympic committee did try and ban millar from competing at the olympics

Mark L

Have you been hacked again?

Brailsford was the head of the olympic team. Do you seriously think you have a leg to stand on telling me he doens't belong in this thread and this discussion?

 

[TheSpud]

I was responding to this post by you:

`Originally Posted by Benotti69 View Post
Paul Kimmage addressed it in his big article with Brailsford at the beginning of Sky. It is also the interview where Braislford showed Kimmage 'the tome of ZTP' which as we know got junked after 1 year.

Cant link the article cos it is behind a paywall.

It is common knowledge (apparently except to Sky fans) that Brailsford did a runner soon as the French cops let him go after he was arrested with Millar and Millars sister (IIRC).

Go look back through articles at the time of David Millar's arrest and see if Brailsford is mentioned as having been with Millar at the time of the arrest and also held in a French police station for 24 hours.'

As you know what I posted appeared to contradict what you claimed about Brailsford doing a runner. I was not addressing your point about Millar going to Greece because you didn't make that point.

Correct. Here is the relevant section quoted:

Millar was released 48 hours later after making a full confession. Brailsford had a dilemma: should he stay and support Millar or yield to Lisa's demand to go home? "I was obviously caught in the wrong place at the wrong time," he says, "and knew that there was no way people would believe - our sport being what it is - that I had nothing to do with this. But morally, somebody had to stay.

"They let [Millar] out through the back door [of the police station]," Brailsford adds. "I put him in the car and drove to our hotel and checked him into a room. He was emotional and in tears. We sat on a balcony, opened a bottle of wine and I said, 'Right, you better tell me what the f*** is going on'. And that was it."

 

[ebandit]

brit

Have you been hacked again?

Brailsford was the head of the olympic team. Do you seriously think you have a leg to stand on telling me he doens't belong in this thread and this discussion?

my point being ..........it's not all about team sky............while there are obvious links bringing in walsh seemed strange?

more relevant to myself here was that millar ( although he had served his ban )
was not wanted at the olympics by many (pobably the majority) brits

Mark L